As a woman I'm wondering how far to go because the guy would probably let me do anything to him. We're already slightly attracted to each other because we're online friends and have matching fetishes. We're both kissless virgins that want a serious relationship and not fuck buddies.
If everything goes well is it okay to let him lick my pussy and jerk him off on first date? Or should first date only have kissing?
There's no rule. You do what you're both comfortable with.
Some people have a "no sex on the first date" rule because they want to make sure the other person is going to stick it out and not ghost them immediately after getting laid. Others might not have any problem with sex on the first date. It's totally up to you (and him, of course).
Man, I wish I had this level of luck on my first date.
Didn't even end with a kiss. Granted, I could've gotten herpes from it, but it just ended with me paying the cheque.
For a REAL first date - the very first time you've been together socially - you want to do nothing more than a chaste good night kiss.
In your case, you two have been talking about sex, compared tastes and made it clear that you are both interested in a sexual connection. That makes this more of a hook-up meeting than a 'first date' and some of the formalities and preliminaries can be skipped over.
Just remember the First Law of Sex: Never do ANYTHING unless both parties are equally enthusiastic about doing it.
KEK, i have a friend that just went out with this girl. Spent 50 bucks on dinner, movie, took her to the fair/festival whatever the fuck it was, and bought her a shirt there. He took her to her place and he didnt even initiate a kiss. She literally said ,"hey, atleast a hug!",. The next day she left with a guy to the rock on the range festival to see tool. Started posting pictures of them together kissing..... yeah, id initiate something.
>We're both kissless virgins that want a serious relationship and not fuck buddies
>If everything goes well is it okay to let him lick my pussy and jerk him off on first date?
You are either extraordinarily naive or a born whore, since the absolute last thing you want to do for relationship quality is early sexual activity. I hope I saw this in time.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com
>Bivariate results suggested that delaying sexual involvement was associated with higher relationship quality across several dimensions. The multivariate results indicated that the speed of entry into sexual relationships was negatively associated with marital quality, but only among women."
onlinelibrary.wiley.com
>"I find that premarital sex or premarital cohabitation that is limited to a woman's husband is not associated with an elevated risk of marital disruption. However, women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship have an increased risk of marital dissolution."
psycnet.apa.org
>"Both structural equation and group comparison analyses demonstrated that sexual restraint was associated with better relationship outcomes, even when controlling for education, the number of sexual partners, religiosity, and relationship length."
The general adult rule is "no sex until the third date" if you are looking for something more than a hookup.
>the incel spambot is here right on cue
>third date meme
It's an arbitrary and useless criterion. All it does is let whores pretend that they're still behaving "properly" even though they're barely above total depravity.
Modernity is a cesspit when it comes to relationships, and this "rule" is no different--ill-advised, hedonistic, and ultimately harmful.
Not an argument. Where are your sources, degenerate?
Why don't you be a respectable woman and keep your fucking pants on for the first date?
>the incel spambot gets angry and posts his muh whores copypasta
>the degenerate still doesn't have an argument
theres no rules, dumbass. its up to you
use a condom if you do fuck him
>the incel spambot who will give (You)s to anyone who acknowledges him
Here's another, on the house.
Maybe you can use this (You) to come up with an argument.
The third date meme means an actual date. Not some coffee and chill in the park "date" It means a full day out date. Like activity>chill>dinner three times. In between actual dates you should be hanging out and getting to know each other.
By the time you have three actual dates it's already been like three months.
>a date is whenever you're doing something with each other!
No it's fucking not, only cheap little assholes think that.
>Thot!
I'm a guy.
That's teenager virgin level advice. Three dates means a week or two max. Nobody waits three months, that's far too long.
>By the time you have three actual dates it's already been like three months.
This is not what people do and you know it.
Pure rationalization.
It's still too short, you degenerate. Wait until marriage, after you commit. Otherwise you are shitting all over your chances for a stable relationship. Refer to the sources above before you call me an "incel" (and that's irrelevant to the correctness of my position).
>teenager virgin level advice
Hmm yet I'm an adult that has had 3 long term relationships hmmmm. As well as 5 short term. HMMMM
I think you're salty.
No wonder you have that many failed short relationships, if you want to wait three months to have sex.
Failed? That's assuming a lot bud.
Stay salty.
>That's not what people do, and you know it
That's what the meme means you fucking retard, I wasn't talking about what people do.
I personally would not do anything sexual until I was in love with someone and thought I might want to spend the rest of my life with them. Nothing more than a hug on the first date.
Fucking lol
>spend that much on the FIRST FUCKING DATE
A 50 buck dinner is an anniversary gift in my book. It's definitely not first date material.
Bait? Are you asking our permission to act like a total whore?
>is it okay to let him lick my pussy and jerk him off on first date?
It worked for my wife
Honestly, I don't know how women can even feel comfortable enough to have sex with a guy they're dating until AT LEAST a month into it. Maybe it's because I have trouble connecting with people in the first place, but whatever.
>we're online friends and have matching fetishes
Is your fetish fruit that looks like a butt?
You must be poor then.
Not an argument.
Gf wanted to fuck me on the first date and it's a god-tier relationship.
Even when I agree with you, you undermine whatever point you try to make because it's you who's making it. Cease your tripfaggotry.
>god-tier relationship
See you in a few months when the honeymoon phase is over for her. I'm laughing at your dumb ass already.
I'm a student in Eastern Europe, so yeah.
He still made the mistake of over-investing on the first date.
Realize that it will make you a slut if you fuck around like that on the first date
>anecdotal 'evidence'
Would you listen to the guy who won Russian roulette with 5 out of 6 chambers loaded, or the guy who points out the graves of the other 5?
>you undermine whatever point you try to make because it's you
That's 100% refined ad hominem, totally irrelevant to the argument at hand. Those who would disregard it because of the literal definition of a fallacy are either too mentally weak to put the advice into practice or disingenuously trying to dodge it. I could be an internationally infamous pedophile, it wouldn't change the data.
But if you really want to help with these arguments, then by all means help spread it.
As for why I have the trip, there's a multitude of reasons, but the main benefit so far is the sharply reduced number of times I get into "arguments" (i.e. me posting sources and getting called an incel retard over and over)--I suspect this is because few people are autistic enough to try and repeat an argument, and with a trip they know it would be a rematch. Whereas if I was another user, it would seem like I was a 'new' poster every time, and they would jump at the chance.
He loved that girl. He constantly chased her, nit in a creep way, for eight years since he was young. At the end of the day he was too scared himself to nake a move. He even got drunk with her and layed on her bed with her...
You niggers scared off OP again.
Female sexuality isn't a bad thing you squares.
Not OP, hijacking this thread.
I won't lick any womans pussy, but im fine with getting dick sucked. Last woman I was with, was fine with it, since I maybe lickaroo'd her pussy for anniversaries and she wanted to suck dick.
But it has been a deal breaker for women that I don't want to lick their nasty shit.
What kind of chicks are cool with not getting oral nowadays?
If she sucks your nasty shit you can lick her nasty shit
Ones with low standards
Get over yourself, it's fun.
Please tell me he snapped out of it. I want to believe he did.
As far as the woman is willing.
Really, if they cut the bullshit and fuck on the first date to get rid of the awkward shit I respect them more.
This.
One of the women I respected most was a 9/10 who grabbed a pug ugly friend of mine, told him straight up they didn't want a relationship but since was clean she wanted him to come over and fuck her when she wanted it. She has his work schedule and said the first time he said no she would drop him and get someone else.
He lasted a year before he bailed on her to go on a friend zone 'date' and she moved on to some other clean ugly bastard.
guess how I know you're a bitter virgin with no female contacts
>Wait until marriage, after you commit
you can't seriously believe this to be beneficial you stupid motherfucking incel loser. holy shit why are you even on this site if you're in no position to give advice at all
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>If everything goes well is it okay to let him lick my pussy and jerk him off on first date? Or should first date only have kissing?
do whatever you feel like doing. there is no heavenly judge who will brand you with THOT on your forehead if you choose to let him analfuck your brains out on the first day.
you do only what you are comfortable with doing. don't let the standards of others dictate what you should do with your own life.
personally, I like taking things slow because I'm sort of a masochist and letting things build makes for better payoff in the end.
Honestly, as far as you (both) feel comfortable. I've slept with girls on 1st dates and much later, just depends on mutual chemistry if it'll last.
>By the time you have three actual dates it's already been like three months.
Yeah maybe if you live in the middle East, by 3 months if two people are really hitting it off they will have gone on at least 7 or more dates
Not him but I'm assuming you're a gen x, most younger people today will take it as a soft rejection if someone they start dating wants to take things that slow.
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If you want a serious relationship, JUST DON'T
I wish I could travel in time to say that to my former me
Great job, Sherlock, now read the sources to learn something more relevant.
>you can't seriously believe this to be beneficial you stupid motherfucking incel loser.
Refer to my sources, you utter fucking brainlet. Talk about selective memory, you can't even recall something right in front of you before you spew your "enlightened" platitudes. Your position is just flat-out wrong, there are benefits shown point-blank. This isn't a mere "belief" (like your obvious slant towards promiscuity), this is a demonstrable trend.
The fact that troglodytes like you come in here, strut around with a complete dearth of any sources whatsoever apart from the deepest recesses of your intestines, and still have the gall to call somebody else stupid for posting multiple peer-reviewed sources in support of a position you don't like is an insult to existence itself. Wipe yourself out of it, shitstain.
Most younger people are absolute degenerates. They are raised in a degenerate society. One must obviously explain why they're waiting, to make sure it isn't misinterpreted, though.