Can Fascism work? What would it take?

NatSoc Alt right=/=Fascism

it worked for every country that applied it, unfortunately WWII forces the countries that applies it to change, Spain is an exception and it made the country really rich

Fucking braindead morons ITT

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A fascist china type goverment with nationalization of the basic assets of the country so the merchant never have more power than the state
Or in a multiracial country a racial caste system could be a good answer too
With the marchant class out it would be much more stable specially in a militar powerhouse that usa is

Depends on what you consider Fascism, and define as work.

What else is it other than a faggot axe?

yes dude it's been working for like 80 years

But where, when I think of succesful instances the only two that come to mind are Spain and Portugal, but even they flopped to ((them)) in the long run.

here

we have
-debt based economy
-militarism
-imperialism
-a more and more totalitarian federal gubba
-massive bureaucratization and oversight of "private" industry
-syndicalism through unions in every significant industry, with gubba protections

all we need to cap it off would be a dictator

>Totalitarian
Not even close
>Imperialism
World Police=/=Imperialism

And we hardly have any government ran industry. Again regulations dont mean its nationalization.

Violence

You can think the federal government isn't soaking up more and more power, and that the US doesn't practice imperialism
You'd be totally wrong, but you can think it

I feel like that would be too cumbersome to use as a functional axe

Is it government ran industry when the industry runs the government?

Sure. Fascism only requires fascism to work.

radicalcapitalist.org/2018/04/10/fascism-is-a-step-towards-liberty/

It worked in the interwar period,the only reason it was brought down was because of WWII,Portugal and Spain could aso be used as an example of their success even though they were technically quasi-fascists,it would probably take a revolution or military coup to install a Fascist State.

Fascism isn't about establishing an utopia,is to make the interest of the state being focused on it's people rather than the economy,the party or whatever.

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Depends every Fascist movement adjusts their economic and political doctrine to what better suits their nation,that is why Spanish Falangism(best version being the one unde Primo de Rivera),Iron Guard(better under Codreanu),Italian Fascists,Portuguese National Syndicalists,British Union of Fascists,etc... are all different yet all are Fascist.

Trump is fascist, seems like it going really great xD

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>Can Fascism work?
Yes.
>What would it take?
Strength.

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Portugal and Spain were inspired in fascism and corporatism,but weren't really fascist,kind of like how NatSoc technically ins't fascist but inspired by fascism.

Fascism isn't utopian.

based and redpilled

based abbath

Define which form of fascism.
Can it work?
Sure.
Can it last?
Well... with a little bit more efforts.

It can't.

The main point of contention is the glorification of violence. Greece had a fascist state but they decided not to join the fuhrer because they were being threatened by Italy.

Nationalism is an archaic idea, globalism is the way to go, just not with consumerism.

Fascism is gay as fuck, no thanks

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>No. Every "utopia" ideology does not work.
This desu

I hope anchovy suffocates you with her stinky, fascist, swarthy, italian feet

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But now they're broke

Using that axe head

Why do you fucking idiots always assume you'll be "IN" the party if fascism rises to prominence?

It's what happens when your goverment collapses and is replaced by a corrupt globalist democratic goverment.

I hope that happens to me too.

all fascists love stinky italian feet.

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>Can Fascism work?
Sure, doesn't mean it would be better than what we have

>What would it take?
Heavy restrictions on global trade
No nuclear weapons
An entirely different culture to what is present in the west and most of the world
50% of the population to be in their teens

on second thoughts I don't think it's possible

In my case i don't assume i will be "IN" the party,that is usually what marxists and communists dream of.

Do you see any other fascists around?
Who else would be in it? Most of the people here are/have been in university, we're the educated top 10% of society, there's literally no one else who would do it.

Well, you do realize that in a fascist state, if you're not a member of the party in good standing, then you're treated worse than a slave, right?

Not really,fascist states don't have a Nomenklatura system like the Soviet Union and China had/have.

It would be nice to also have the workers working with us.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. After all, fascism and critical thinking are anathema to one another.

Well there's always Evola's take. He said he wouldn't join the fascist party for as long as such a party existed in name true fascism could never be

Can someone explain the bundle of sticks axe

I don't recall mussolini or hitler calling for utopia. If anything, they were simple reactions to other ideologies saying their way will lead to utopia.

We might as well call the US fascism. We as a people already do whatever the fuck we want. Those that deny a republican form of government are still dealt with severely. Using that power for a nation's sole interest is still something we're into, Israel being the exception that prove the rule. For some reason, evangelical christians want that country to have undue power. Its slowly changing.

the democrats are already pushing for fascism. they just dont know the definition of it so they call others fascists

>After all, fascism and critical thinking are anathema to one another
Can you explain me why?I would like to have your input on the matter.

Symbolism taken from the Roman Republic/Empire. Usually held by someone of religious and legal authority in ceremonies. Thats why it's on so much American shit as well

>flag
wew lad, art 14bis is the "carta de lavoro" from Musolini. Hell, the Union system is pure fascism.
We are a fascist country, like we are one from a technical point of view
Read Espert

In a fascist state you exist to serve and support the state, nothing else. Even the leadership can't think critically about anything lest they want to appear weak to their cohorts and then be quickly deposed.

There was a whole world war fought over this shit, after all.

optics cuck. Implying the enemies of fascism are in a position to use the word faggot derogatorily

It's impossible for fascism to form without a strong central party making all the decisions. Otherwise it's just a bunch of wannabe warlords constantly undermining eachother as they each jockey to be the next emperor. Normally, that's called Anarchy.

I guess he believed that fascist thought should be so all encompassing and ingrained in the culture and system that to have a party would be redundant

Yes.. it works look at congress

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Considering that one of the most prominent countrys to imploy fascism has been reduced down to a chocolatey-demiliterized mess, I don't think non-fascist have to worry about being a cuck...FAGGOT

Yes, it's very realistic to expect people to blindly and irrationally support your system of government.

It works out so well for communism, after all.

ITT: faggotry

kike

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>In a fascist state you exist to serve and support the state, nothing else.
You don't serve the State in a fascist system,it's more of a symbiotic relationship,but i can understand how one could perceive it as such.

>Even the leadership can't think critically about anything lest they want to appear weak to their cohorts and then be quickly deposed.
I assume you are talking more about NatSoc Germany in this point,the problem with NDSAP was,even though i like Hitler,Hitler being too forgiving to NDSAP members who undermined the country,that and the High Command taking advantage of him being sick and often backstabbing him.

>There was a whole world war fought over this shit, after all.
This wasn't caused just by the leadership of Germany,it was also caused by traitorous capitalists and bankers who had a beef with Germany,so war was inevitable it was only a question of when and how it would start.

I think your are talking about despotism.

Its supposed to be for the worthy to hold power for the glory of the people he represents.

I'm not saying he was right. He had these fantasies of rebuilding the Italian Empire in the vision of Rome, and Rome didn't need a political party. See what I mean?

If you're not a Fascist, you're a Jew. That's why the statement, "there are so little Jews on earth, only like 16 million! How could they have any amount of power?"

False. The vast majority of the earth's population are Jews.

>Fascism doesn't wo-

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>Fascism is symbiotic
Yes, being brainwashed into slavery while you serve a 1% that has only war on their mind is very symbiotic for the people it tramples into dust, alright.

It works out great for America.

Jew.

Can't work. Too cucked.

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>Yes, being brainwashed into slavery while you serve a 1% that has only war on their mind is very symbiotic for the people it tramples into dust, alright.
1% as in the rich or 1% as in the goverment?
And the militaristic nature of fascism in WW2 and the Interwar period was because of the rising threat of bolshevism.

The 1% of aristocrats who take over every fascist party to ever form, you dumb Portuguese rat.

And no, it was not Bolshevism that made ever fascist party to form so warlike. It's the fact that for facism to stabilize, it needs a constant "outside threat" to justify it's authoritarian abuse of the people it enslaves. This means constant war and constant expansion regardless of who is claimed to be the enemy that particular day.

The only reason Franco never conquered your irrelevant shithole of a nation was because he was constantly fighting civil uprisings. Another little flaw with Fascism that you mouthbreathers refuse to confront.

>Yearly votes
>Volunteer military
>You can quit your job and not be immediately thrown in jail or drafted into a cannon fodder military outfit
>You can buy your own home, vehicle and weaponry
>You can travel freely provided you can fund the transportation
>You can marry and divorce at your own leisure
>You can reproduce with whoever consents
>You can read, watch and consume pretty much whatever you want
>You're not FORCED to spy on your neighbors and family for a faceless bureaucrat
>You can vote on what is done with your tax money, usually
>If accused of a crime, you are entitled to a fair trial

But that Fascist America, amirite?

A hero of the people. Sadly, revolutionaries are not made in (((democracies))).

>The 1% of aristocrats who take over every fascist party to ever form, you dumb Portuguese rat.
Ironic considering many fascist movements were against the aristocracy.Even NDSAP became hostile to the prussian aristocaracy because of their betrayal.

>And no, it was not Bolshevism that made ever fascist party to form so warlike. It's the fact that for facism to stabilize, it needs a constant "outside threat" to justify it's authoritarian abuse of the people it enslaves.
Do you ever bothered to look at other fascist movement like the Iron Guard,BUF or even Spanish Falangism unde PdR?Because if you would you would see why they even came to be and why they desired a strong military.

>The only reason Franco never conquered your irrelevant shithole of a nation was because he was constantly fighting civil uprisings.
First of all,Franco and Salazar weren't fascists, they were inspired by fascism.Second he had a preemptive invasion plan of Portugal because of war in case of a war of British agression,and after the Estado Novo it was because the country was under threat of Communism after the revolution.And all of this was without even Hitler or Mussolini knowing about it.

>Another little flaw with Fascism that you mouthbreathers refuse to confront.
You don't need to resort to petty insults,it serves no purpose other than stroking your false sense of superiority.

an effective system takes into account human bullshit. so the romans had a system of imperium where they literally HAD fasces. It can work. Just not the way 20th century people imagined.

>Needs a constant outside threat
Literally every ideology and system needs this to function, thats how a society is made.

It could and it did.
>It lost the war therefore clearly doesn't work.
The fascists fell apart during a war, but the Soviet Union collapsed in peacetime, and the Liberal world is on the verge of becoming Africa.
All things considered, it was probably the best option of the 20th century.
If you're talking about "could it work today?" The answer is no, you need to create a new system.
Draw inspiration, sure, but don't live in the past.

Here's a good description of how and what it would take: unqualified-reservations.org/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives/

>Yearly votes
No offense,but American democracy is a sham.
>Volunteer military
A fascist state also has a volunteer military,but it does also have obligatory military service for a few years.
>You can quit your job and not be immediately thrown in jail or drafted into a cannon fodder military outfit
You can quit your job in a fascist state,but don't expect to be helped if you quit without good reason.
>You can buy your own home, vehicle and weaponry
You also have a right to bear arms in a fascist state,provided you are a citizen and part of your country race/ethnicity.
>You can travel freely provided you can fund the transportation
You can also do this in a fascist goverment.
>You can marry and divorce at your own leisure
Who you can marry depends on the fascist movements,Integralists would allow you to marry whoever you desired,European Fascist movements in general would just allow you to marry within your race,and divorces would only be allowed if you had a good reason for one.
>You can reproduce with whoever consents
Depends on the movement.
>You can read, watch and consume pretty much whatever you want.
Only pornography and communist works were heavely censored,from there it would depend if the country allowed for foreign media within it's media.
>You're not FORCED to spy on your neighbors and family for a faceless bureaucrat
This was mainly the Soviet Union and China,even Tito's Yusgoslavia,who was communist,barely had any of this.
>You can vote on what is done with your tax money, usually
Depends on the movement,BUF and the Spanish Falangism under PdR would allow for this,while NatSoc Germany and the Silver legion would not.
>If accused of a crime, you are entitled to a fair trial
You also are in a fascist state,the punishement will probably much harsher though.

>You can buy your own home, vehicle and weaponry.
*And you can have your own home and vehicle.

>it worked for every country that applied it
Is that why there is not a single fascist country that exists today?

>Is that why there is not a single fascist country that exists today?
Politically, none.
Economicaly, quite a few.