I can't relate to adults in my life who hold contempt towards me for things I did when I was a teenager

>LITERALLY EVERYONE WAS A STUPID PIECE OF SHIT
Yeah no they aren't. That's YOU. Just because you were a piece of shit doesn't mean everyone else was. Projecting 101 ffs grow up dude

So you're telling me that you didn't grow or change past your teenage years? Are you sure you're not confusing "you not being a little shit" with "you being a perpetual shit and never growing up?"

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Who gives a fuck? Just don't talk to them. You did dumb shit when they knew you and it colored their opinion of you from that point on. You're not going to change their minds.

So what's your plan here, get me to agree with you that everyone is being really unfair? And then what, you link them to Jow Forums and they change their minds?

Insinuating I was a retard just because you were (and are) only shows your narcissistic disregard for others' opinions when they are unflattering. Maybe there's a pattern going on here.

So, again, you're one of those adults I really don't understand. To live is to change, to improve yourself, to become a better person tomorrow than you were today. It's how I've managed to earn respect, become independent, and become happy. It's because I'm able to look back on my past self and think "haha thank god I'm not that fucktard anymore" is why I continue to grow and appreciate being alive.

If you can't look back at your teenage self without thinking "wow, I used to be so bad." You haven't changed or grown, you've not only stagnated, but you've stagnated since the day you first started becoming an adult.

The reason why teenagers get a free pass and are typically considered by reasonable adults as not having their actions be held accountable as adults is because it's their first step into trying to be responsible, independent, and free-willed. They have no prior experience, they're extremely confused about what their purpose is and where they fit in the world, they try a bunch of weird and different things, they find something that they get comfortable with only to find out that getting comfortable with something is actually dangerous and unhealthy, and then they change themselves based on those experiences when they start getting into their 20's where they finally start to make reasonable decisions.

It just makes no sense to hold someone with no experience accountable unless you're trying to take advantage of them or see them as an equal.

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You're right, I really shouldn't care--I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt because I want to know if there's a method to their unreasonable stance.

Sorry, buddy, you don't seem to understand that I wasn't calling you a retard to hurt your feelings, but to provide one of the three logical explanations that I have for behavior that I personally consider to be founded in either manipulative people, undeveloped people, and mentally retarded people. I am seeking to find a fourth answer so that I don't have the opinion of a narcissist who views a set of people with a certain belief with contempt, since I think that isn't reasonable or kind in the slightest.

I guess a fuckup just doesn't get the fact that not everyone was a fuckup
You better be prepared to go to the valedictorian of your high school class, the captain of the basketball team, and everyone who had success in high school AND college and tell them "haha you were all just as bad as me, and if you can't admit that then you've stagnated"
Doing and saying embarrassing things doesn't amount to whatever manipulative annoying shit you got caught up in, last time I'm gonna say it
>not everyone is a piece of shit like you were, and you can't drag them down to your level to make you feel better

I treated a lot of girls like this in and shortly after high school. Tons of chicks were shitting all over me in middle school, and then added me on facebook when it took off and went big; all I could ask was 'why the hell did you add me? you don't like me, or even talk to me'
A lot of them were highly confused, like they didn't understand why I'd hold that against them. But consider, I was about 15 or 16 then talking about things happening when I was 13 or 14

It's important to understand that the phrase 'leave it in the past' almost invariably comes off as far more convenient for one person than for another. Consider your past and what you did, things that affected you and how things might affect others. It's important to realize that perspective accounts for a lot in these situations.

Everyone who has ever been a highschool valedictorian, captain of a highschool basketball team, and generally had success in highschool in general would all agree that that shit was fucking easy compared to anything college level and beyond. Sure, it was hard at the time, because like you and me, people fucked sucked at life during their teenage years, but if you were to compare the level of discipline that any of their real-world activities required to that of highschool level, you'd find that it's much, much easier, and there's a reason why some people wish they could relive their highschool years. Are you joking me?

>their unreasonable stance
It's not unreasonable at all. They knew you when you were a shitty teenager and know nothing of your supposed well-adjusted present life. Plus you can make the excuse that you were just a teen but you were still an asshole to them and that's what's going to stick. To be honest you still sound like a shithead so I don't blame them.

I've already moved on, I'm just trying to find an understanding for a behavior that I consider to be immature. You're comparing me to someone you hold contempt for solely because we share similar opinions, and then immediately tell me to "Grow up." I'm not one who likes to say I'm "better or worse" than others, but given my experiences with revisiting these people, I can say that I'm way better off than they are.

My drawfriend who was genuinely depressed while I was friends with him and didn't have confidence in his own skills or abilities and lives with his parents? Still lives with his parents, barely does any art anymore if at all, the friends of his I've come into contact with barely talk to him, and he just seems like he's doing absolutely nothing with his life. That friend of mine who I played videogames with in that large social circle I was a part of and wanted to have sex with me when I was 15? Still doesn't have a significant other and works the same dead-end job he always has.

The people I've reconnected with who DON'T hold contempt towards me for my actions and actually appreciate and respect who I have become today were the same people who have advanced in their life, probably because they can actually relate to the struggle of self-improvement and self-discipline.

Like I said, I really don't want to say that I'm "better" than them, but at the same time I would hope that their inability to actually forgive or accept that I've changed is childish and a sign of being pathetic. I don't want to have that perspective, because it seems too angsty to be the reality.

Dude they don't have to be friends with you, not everyone is going to like you, just accept it

I can accept that, that's why I don't want to accept that the reason they don't like me is because they're shitty people, because that's narcissistic and self-absorbed of me to think.

I don't think the relationship that me and those guys had were any way similar than the ones you had with those girls. Age-gap difference aside, me and those guys were actual friends during the time I spent with them as a kid prior to the conflicts that tore us apart.

>Hey Jow Forums how do I reach a logical conclusion that these people aren't shitty?
>lol you're a shitty person

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A fifteen year old should have the brain capacity to understand a concept as simple as consequences. They can be held accountable.

>Again, these things happened when I was a teenager, you know, the stage in life where LITERALLY EVERYONE WAS A STUPID PIECE OF SHIT? You weren't any better than I was when you were 15, either. Chances are, you were worse!
I believe 15 year old me was better than you are in the present day, even. You can't generalize people like that.

Just because people have come to terms with the events of the past doesn't mean they are obliged to invite you back into their lives. Sure, they forgive you, but don't want a relationship with you. Why is that so difficult to accept? They aren't interested. Move on. This whole crusade you're on is a waste of time.

Who's the shitty person in the second line? OP or Jow Forums?