As an European, Dems aren't left-wing at all
Can we all admit they're centrist at worst?
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No, they are more right wing then that, honestly after they screwed Bernie in the primaries and realizing obama was bush 2.0 who could string sentences together. I gave up on politics, Cortez seems like the only radical in the party, Bernie is too weak to accomplish anything.
Yet the go well out of their way to get the leftist vote. Makes them pretty left by default no?
Agreed, they're centre-right or centrist. Only Republican retards think they're left-wing.
There is no major de facto difference between Republicans and Democrats. So yes, they are your typical "serve the ruling class party." True left wing individuals/parties in the economic sense are quite anti immigration because they understand its purpose.
There is no left in the US
No, they're straight up communists. Republicans are the closest thing to centrist.
>Dems aren't left wing compared to what's in Europe
Well that just means you're a bit further gone. If you're such a leftist why do you use the ancap memeflag?
>No, they're straight up communists.
I don't think you understand what a communist is.
They're right wing
Are you a re tard?
Yes I do. Communism always ends up in a two tiered society and really isn't much different from feudalism in practice. Democrats are communists who want world government and who will use force to abolish Christianity and white people as soon as they can get away with it.
>posting that democrat seal of shit here
no free handouts here Bernie bro
Elaborate. What views do they not hold that a true left-wing party should hold? What is the proper definition of left wing?
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Compared with what? Your only problem with them is that they aren't moving enough for you and your rabble.
I think the core of their objection is that the Democrats aren't moving fast enough for them, and they probably take that as a lack of sincerity or commitment. But it's not like the leftist elites would ever share power with antifa basedboys or 3rd world immigrants with a double digit IQ, and those groups don't have the brains or wherewithall to organize anything on their own.
Democrats (like Republicans) are the party of private equity and tech titans, organizations that are the anthesis of communism. Communists wish to abolish private property in favor of collectivization.
I don't give a shit if traitors are left wing or right wing. If they're maintaining power by fueling demographic replacement then they can hang.
>What views do they not hold that a true left-wing party should hold? What is the proper definition of left wing?
They whore themselves to corporations and serve the interest of our capitalist class...
Stop calling people buzzwords. Like left, right, centrism. It does not mean anything.
They are neo-libs.
Using precise language results in precise discussion.
>as a fellow European
>stop right there rabbi!
Can't believe this right now my sides are in orbit
And your European “conservatives” aren’t really right-wing either.
Moving fast enough towards what? Equity? I really want to know, because I have a German friend who says the same thing about the American left.
Certainly the conversation is more nuanced than “a true left-wing party hates capitalism”
many leftists see the democrats as not left wing because they solely focus on economic policies. They don't consider social leftism as leftism, rather they see it as objective truth like religious fanatics.
Democrats are America Corp., while you are hillbillies. My vision.
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>“a true left-wing party hates capitalism”
Except that is the most fundamental part of any "leftist" party. They have a pro-working class policies with the eventual goal of collectivization. Republicans just use "muh marxists" to stur up emotion and fear.
The further right you go, the more social hierarchy you're in favour of, the further right you go the more. Capitalism is a system based on a strong presence of social hierarchy which thusly makes it right wing. The democratic party are a party that strongly favours capitalism and corporate interests, which makes it right wing
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World wide communist dictatorship where everything is centrally planned. We know they want to get rid of freedom of speech, religion, association, the ability to own guns, private property, and the last vestiges of national sovereignty. In the US they're still upset that "hate speech" laws haven't been passed.
"Capitalism" is actually a word that leftists made up in order to smear their opponents, just like racism, homophobia, and Islamophobia.
Hillary wanted to nuke your country.
Is Cuck Schumer really a Jew? He looks Jewish but I'm pretty sure that Schumer is a German last name.
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>His family is Jewish
delete this
is this really a question?
The democrats shill for open borders, anti-white policies, deification of non-whites, tranny toddlers, poopdick marriage, banning guns, zionism.... how the fuck is that not an extreme far-left party? Maybe you /leftypee/ shitters are so far-left that to you nothing short of ALL whites being killed on the spot and Hillary being declared rightful Queen of the planet is not true leftism eh?
>Dems aren't left-wing at all
Your a fucking faggot, they are farther left than they have ever been.
Nope. Communist is trash and I won't allow you to define the terms of debate. Wanting to keep what's yours isn't an "ism" it's just being a normal human who isn't mentally ill.
I'm on board with this guy! The Dems always advocate for more government like socialists do. Their stupid plans always start out as pleasant, even tame concept but always ends with authoritarian/redistributive control creating new problems like Communism does....And the poor and the working class get screwed even more.
everyone is a far-left lunatic with a grasp on reality so weak it would shock even the most extravagant Roman degenerate - it's all fake politics
real politics occurs EXCLUSIVELY within the scope of Traditionalism, and the moderate and extreme positions which can be found so long as one agrees with the essential basis of life and society that was implicit in the old sagas
if it diverges from that range, it is fake politics and deranged extremism from people who were never taught how to be fully human
Forcing Christians to service "gay weddings." Forcing men to pay for abortions for women we never slept with. Etc
Isn't social hierarchy going to exist regardless? There's always going to be someone with more valuable resources than another. Especially if whats valued changes so quickly.
If you turn it its an oven