All I was taught -- and I am really pushing the bar when writing "taught", since it is Brazilian public education I am talking about -- is that kosher nonsense which History has come to be: Franco man bad, overthrown democratic Republic good, Democracy vs Fascism, Hitler used Spain as drilling field for Wehrmacht. But what took place before the war, what were its causes?
Redpill me on Spanish Civil War
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i like the part where the communists cut the tits off of nuns and then started shooting at each other while the CHAD condor legion reigned fire on all the insolent from above and let god sort em out
After reading about the Spanish civil war, these were my main conclusions:
>José Antonio Primo de Rivera was a legend and had a lot of good ideas
>Anarchists are fucking retarded and would rather fight each other than Franco
Basically, never allow anarchists to fight for you, because they WILL turn on you and on each other in a spiral of autistic retardation, and then you will lose.
I heard the commies torched churches, raped nuns. Is it true?
the civil war was communist vs falangists
also Franco made Spain one of the most richest countries of its time
Yes, they did the same in russia. Deconstructing the local religon is one of the priorities for communism.
All I know is that it was basically kind of like syria only with various commies, antifa and anarchists fighting the regime instead of muslims from my understanding.
George Orwell actually fought on the antifa side, got shot and wrote a book about it.
All you really need to know is that the leftists ended up killing each other
Rivera was based. Too bad he was killed.
That is one of the most confusing parts for me. How come anarchists and bolshevists allied with a democratic Republic? What a fucking ideologically amorphous mass of autists.
lefties (rep and socialists) win elections with comproved fraud and still close against CEDA (fascists) meanwhile socialists and anarchists kill priests and attack hundrds of churches, Jose antonio primo de rivera send to jail and executed strikes all over the place, and repression against some nationalist sectors in the military. That lead to Franco's coup, supported by Portugal of Salazar, that already had fascists in power since 1926, and also supported by fascist Italy and NS Germany (germans send the legion condor), Mussolini send 40000 volunteers and Portugal send 20.000 (called Viriatos).
huge battles all over the place, specially in Madrid. Nationalists and far right in onse side, on the other, leftists, socialists, anarch, commies, international brigates of vaolunteers from all over the world, also republicans were supported by the USSR. Spanish Nationalists won in the end.
So, basically, had the Nationalists not gone to war Spain would fall victim to red militias, likewise Germany and Italy. How did the fraud happen?
>But what took place before the war, what were its causes?
Basically Franco was a Fascist Dictator who was the pick only because the original planned Dictator died before the end of the war. As a Dictator id rank Franco below Hitler and Castro who were better Dictators in general with new ideas unlike boring plain Conservative Franco who only managed to Conserve his Empire till the 70's.
Another thing i have against Franco is how he kept Dictator Fulgencio Batista in Spain without executing him or sending him back to Cuba.
Everything started when the "democrats" killed the head of the oposition, José Calvo Sotelo.
Funny you mention Batista, just today Bolsonaro arranged with the current government to aprehend Cesari Battisti and send him as a gift to Salvini.
read up on the divisions in spanish politics from earlier centuries. "Carlism" English sources are scarce so you better learn some spanish - "Carlistas".
Probably the old adage, it doesn't matter how you vote, only who counts the votes.
>just today Bolsonaro arranged with the current government to aprehend Cesari Battisti and send him as a gift to Salvini.
Well i am talking about Cuba as Spanish nations in that area i am more familar with (i am a mongrel Puerto Rican). I don't know much about Brazil but that Portguese is spoken there and that they elected some right wing guy akin to Trump who if got in power in the 1930's would have been a Dictator.
So this is how things went: rigged elections put in power a "democratic" government, which goes on sistematically hunting and killing its oppositors, and forcing secularism. Nationalists uprise. Right?
Cesari Battisti (whom Bolsonaro is deporting) was a communist agitator in Italy who killed 4 people (that we know of), he was trained in cuba and is wanted in Italy, he's likely gonna get life in prison and daily beatings, like all communists should.
>) was a communist agitator in Italy who killed 4 people
And the guy i mentioned killed many more People and started a Coup when the People did not vote for him till which he fled Cuba like a bitch to avoid being shot by Castro and his forces.
>he was trained in cuba and is wanted in Italy
The guy i mentioned was wanted in Cuba as he was not only a Fascist Dictator but one that handed power from the Cubans to the United States via Americans owning their land and forcing itself on Cuba like the rapist it is (is because it still forces itself on Puerto Rico).
>he's likely gonna get life in prison and daily beatings, like all communists should.
Cuba actually (or at least did) shoot People
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>before
Yes it was before the end of the Civil war as the war started in July 1936 with the original leader dying November of that year. Only 2 and a half years later was the capture of all of Spain by the Nationalist party.
Also, the war involved two sides comprised of various groups with ideological divergencies with one another, and just joined because of the war?
>and just joined because of the war?
I know the Republican side was the most divided one because of the Communists, Anarchists and just regular Democrats all having differences thereby making them weaker compared to Franco with some but not as many differences. Democrats do not want to fight with Communists, Anarchists do not want to fight with Communists, Communists do not want to fight with Democrats etc.
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>Republicans proclaim the II Spanish Republic on 14th April 1931
>Leftist Republicans immediately take control and redact a new Constitution
>The republicans already plan the Republic to be left-wing leaning from the start
>They make the constitution in a way so it benefits the left and makes it as hard as possible for the republic to shift to the right
>In the Republican Constitution, Spain is declared a "Republic of Workers of All Classes and Social Backgrounds"
>First two years of the Republic is led by left-wing republican parties
>Republicans start to expropriate lands and distribute it to the people
>First attempts of demilitarization
>Militar academies are closed, many ranks are removed and many people are downgraded
>Especially Africanist militars (the militars who were for keeping control of Spanish North Africa i.e. the Rift)
>Secularization, this causes the Church to turn against the Republic
>The Falange is created around this time
>After a while, Anarchists from the CNT (National Confederation of Workers) and the FAI (Iberian Anarchist Federation) attempt to have their "revolution" because the Republic is not lefty enough
>They start to revolt in some cities, especially in Casas Viejas (located in Cádiz), thinking that the same thing was happening in the rest of Spain but it actually wasn't
>They take control over Casas Viejas and the Republican Government has to send the Civil Guard and the Assault Guard to stop it
>Dozens of deaths
>This causes the population to be upset at the government and demand elections
>Somewhere in between all of this, some militars, headed by Sanjurjo, attempt a Coup d'etat to overthrow the Republican government but it fails
>Sanjurjo is sentenced to death, but he is afterwards absolved and he exiles to Portugal
>The left, especially anarchists and communists, are especially upset at the leftist Republican government because of Casas Viejas
>For the upcoming elections anarchists and communists request workers not to vote as protest
>The right-wing sees how the left is fucking everything up and creates a coalition, the CEDA (Spanish Confederation of Autonomous Right-wings)
>These are also the first elections where women can vote
>The CEDA wins the elections
>CEDA starts to reverse everything the previous government did (demilitarization, land expropriation, etc)
>However, despite winning the elections, the CEDA does not get any ministries, so all ministries are still left-wing controlled
>A while later Gil Robles, from the CEDA, is going to become a minister, thus being the first CEDA minister in government
>This causes massive butthurt to the point of CNT and FAI attempting another revolution
>This revolution is called the Asturian Revolution, also known as the October Revolution
>Now this is not only a city like Casas Viejas but an entire region (Asturias), again they believe this is happening everywhere else in Spain but the revolution only thrives in Asturias
>Miners take control of the region
>At the same time, Catalonia declares independence
>Government sends Companys and other Catalonian rebels to jail, Companys is shot by a firing squad afterwards
>Government sends the military to Asturias to stop the Asturian revolution
>This scenario is a kind of micro Civil War, where both sides of the future Spanish Civil War can already be detected
>The military in Asturias is led by, among others, Francisco Franco
>In the end, the Government wins and the Asturian Revolution fails
>It however caused thousands of deaths, so as in Casas Viejas, people demand elections
>Elections again, this time the left is united and they don't request workers not to vote
>The left creates a left-wing coalition known as the Popular Front
>The Popular Front wins the elections by a small margin (some historians nowadays believe the left cheated)
>mfw I know "Catholic" Communists who share James Martin quotes and Stalin quotes in succession on their social media platforms
Oh no no no no...
Thanks Spanish user. Hey, I heard Sanchez is trying to remove Franco's body from Valle de los Caídos, how is that going?
Communists are a bit more sane about how power actually works than anarchists.
>The Falange joins the National Syndicalists, thus forming FE de las JONS
>They are much more radical than the first Left Republican government, massive land expropriations, faster demilitarization, faster secularization, etc
>This is when Republicans start to burn churches, rape nuns, etc
>The polarization can be felt in the streets, there are daily shootings everywhere against other factions
>This climax of disorder is seen by Franco, Sanjurjo (who was in Portugal), Molá, and other militars, so they start to plot another coup d'etat
>But the Republican Government suspects about the plot, so they send the key militars who were plotting it to distant regions in Spain
>Franco is sent to Canarias and Molá is sent to Navarra
>Falangists kill the Lieutenant Castillo, a Republican soldier of the Assault Guard
>The friends of Castillo were plotting the murder of the leader of the CEDA, José María Gil-Robles
>As retaliation for the murder of Castillo, left-wingers murder José Calvo Sotelo, leader of Spanish Renovation
>This causes the militars who were plotting the coup to execute it immediately
>Franco starts the coup in Ceuta and Melilla
>Molá, who was sent to Navarra, allies with the Carlists, with high presence in that region, thus creating another front against the Republic in the north
>The Spanish Civil War has started
>The right-wing sees how the left is fucking everything up and creates a coalition, the CEDA (Spanish Confederation of Autonomous Right-wings)
>These are also the first elections where women can vote
>The CEDA wins the elections
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Borzoi and Lauritz did a great episode on this but it's gone. Anyone know where to find it?
What about the death of Rivera?
Spaniard here, commies were ravaging churches and church goers without punishment from very corrupt officials, they believed that they were stronger, they killed Calvo Sotelo, the right finally had it, stroke back and obliterated the commies. Commies gave all of Spain's gold to Moscow just to end up losing the war.
Communists were killing each other cause on the areas they had majority they couldn't even agree how things should be ruled.