Payment processors are a public utility. You can't conduct commerce in the modern economy without access to them...

Payment processors are a public utility. You can't conduct commerce in the modern economy without access to them, and therefore they should have no legal right to refuse service for lawful commerce. You can't prove me wrong.

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you are correct
now all that we need is a litigant with standing, deep pockets, and a top notch legal team

You’re right, but since you can use other methods than PayPal (such as actually going to a store/ using cash), PayPal is legal and not a threat. PayPal is merely a middleman between your bank account and a service.

If the person I am doing commerce with is a thousand miles away, am I supposed to mail them a check? That's like saying someone can be denied having an email address because the US Mail will still service them.

Paypal and the other processors all share a same blacklist of unpersons who cannot receive money through the internet. This should not be legal.

stfu socialist
what's next? free internet? free utilities? fuck off

The denial of one service is fine. The problem is the denial of all services + hounding people when they actual "go make their own service" like people say they should.

True but they are so wealthy nobody has successfully compelled a court to acknowledge it.

I put 10 bucks to paypal once and it took 2 fucking weeks to process the transfer.
Fuck their shitty service, I don't know how they even stay in business.
Just buy a disposable Visa at a gas station for your online purchases.

It's not free. They are just not allowed to dictate how you use it, and their reasons for banning people need to be kept extremely narrow and related to unlawful activity.

Electricity and water are public utilities but they're not run by the government and you still have to pay for them.

PayPal, Facebook, Google, Amazon...

Any company that doesn't have equal access to these is disadvantaged - PERIOD

Hence utilities ...

Also looking at stats more people use them ... Than fucking actual utilities !!!

They need to be governed as such.

>what's next? free internet? free utilities? fuck off
You sound like a troll, but I'll bite anyways
It's not about cost "free" but the freedom to use it without repercussions or coercion, much like how the gas company can't deny you gas because you're a literal Nazi

When someone gets banned by one tech company they tend to get banned from all the others eventually too, if not immediately. If you open a service to host people displaced by one of the tech giants they will do everything in their power to shut it down, even if it means getting their internet disconnected by the phone company.

>not using bitcoin

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As much as I like to laugh at crypto investors losing their money I do feel like I should familiarize myself with how to spend bitcoin before everything I want to send money to gets banned by Paypal. What is generally considered the safest exchange platform to have a bitcoin wallet with? Assuming I am not completely butchering the terminology.

Erm no. You don’t want them becoming utilities. They want that. Then they can never die! The internet is a untility, they are service providers. Alternatives exist, use them,

Yeah, I agree. When private companies bridge over into utilities they lose rights of private companies.

its funny how everyone bashes cryptos, but its basically the thing that cuts out all middleman in terms of transfer of currency.

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Payment processors are private companies, you don't have a constitutional right to the service being offered. Go somewhere else or build your own payment processor.

Or are you some kind of filthy commie pig?

A wire transfer :^)
Or just use a sane online payment processor not based in the US. As long as the business is legal, and you aren't a member of a terrorist organization on a European watch list most European and most Asian companies do not care.

US is fugged because of the way their speech laws are handled. The sneaky people in your political class, outsourced censorship to interest groups and companies, because it was illegal for the state to censor free speech.

But then again. --------> Bitcoin

What if Visa and Mastercard aren't accepted? What if Bank transfer is your only option?

They stay in business because they effectively monopolised the online purchases market and still used by people who don't want to risk using cards directly for online purchases.

Blockchain is good for interactions where trust and impartiality is needed but cryptos themselves don't have any actual value. They are useful for transferring money digitally but they are not a store of value as they lack a (physical) component where you could use them for something other than transferring money. Cryptos are still based on USD which is not based on anything but military might enforcing oil sales contracts.
Blockchain has a lot of good applications in interactions that involve transferring info but the coins themselves have flaws that make them not a dependable asset in the way property, metals, guns, etc are.

I only use Paypal for their credit where you get 6 months no interest. It must be sad if they think that they can make money off that because I always pay it off, normies must never pay their bills.

You don't need banks with cryptos. That is Central Bank Killer

Being enslaved by debt but not defaulting on payments is about the most normie you can get.

I have no bank account. I have one visa, under another name that isn’t mine. I’ve never needed your “payment processors” and will die without using them. I’m employed full time, and cashed a $1800 paycheck today.
You’re wrong, faggot.