Debate an ancap

if you want a road pay for it, you're free not to pay

>DUDE ANARCHY LMAO

What's stopping some rich fuck from hiring mercenaries to kill you and steal all your stuff?

OP is a nigger

having your own mercenaries

How would you prevent solitary military firms from attempting to establish a rule?

What if he has more?
Or can pay yours more and make them switch side?

>Debate an ancap
You can’t tell me what to do

The anarchists form a constortium (tax payers) to fund a combat unit (army) and manage it with an elected board of officials (government)
But it's anarchy I swear

militias
what if china has more than america? will they instantly invade? dumbass
fine

>voluntary transaction = tax
absolute dumbass

How do you deal with the fact that your shitty ideology does nothing to stop corporations from becoming monopolies once a sufficient enough time has passed and they emerge as clear 'winners' of various industries? who will then start preventing competitions through many, many various means? And that they will use any means necessary to press this differential advantage?

tl;dr: how is shitty ancap going to prevent power consolidation that inevitably happens every time there is a free market?

>what if china has more than america? will they instantly invade?
Were the GUARANTEED to win and with small losses they would in an heartbeat.
Colonization never happened through history right?

You voluntarily pay if you want to benefit from the fruits of others, otherwise you can leave :^)
Lolberts and anarchists just want all the benefits without paying like everyone else

American politics are so ass-backwards. Here we have a lolbert arguing for anarchy.
He has zero idea what being a lolbert even is.

the state is the biggest incentive to make corporations into monopolies
no army is guaranteed to win retard especially with nukes
>otherwise you can leave
then fuck off to north korea commie

not an argument

>no army is guaranteed to win
Yeah, 100 mercenaries against 10 have equal chances to win right?
Do actually think those 10 will die a guaranteed death just for your money?
They'll bail the fuck out leaving you alone were they to fight against heavy odds.
>especially with nukes
Ah yes, most privates will definitely have the resources to build, maintain and utilize nukes.

No.
Fuck off.

>want to belong to a society without paying democratically agreed upon taxes
>asked to leave
>FUCKKKEN COMMIES ROOFL

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>what is vietnam
>what is the military-industrial complex
please lurk moar newfag
>democracy is legitimate
>taxation is legitimate
lurk moar

>the state is the biggest incentive to make corporations into monopolies

LOL. The state is nothing but a tool that corporations use to rig the game in their favor. Even without the state, they will use other means (like they do already) to gain further differential advantage to rig the game in their favor once they've consolidated enough power.

Imagine being this retarded, to think that without MUH STATE, corporations will just play nice just because MUH NAP

Let's say it were to happen. What exactly is your point?

>lolbert
>telling others to lurk a fascist anime digital bulletin to study agreeable aspects of his ideaology

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Woah man amazing arguments there.

yes and it's the most effective tool by far via it's monopoly on violence

Does the NAP apply to children and animals or can a person rape and kill them to his heart's content?
I ask because I'm extremely libertarian myself, but when I hear about some asshole who raped his daughter or staved a dog to death I still think "maybe we do need a State at least to deal with THAT"
I guess the community can ostracize people who act in that manner, but can they lynch them?

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your assumption that all competing military forces will immmediately fight eachother and the biggest one come out on top is wrong

Individualism is false and we're altogether one consciousness. You can't save yourself alone. You're brought up and inspired by other people.

>if you can't predict the future, your philosophy is dum dum
Really makes me think
>t. Fellow ancap.
Give it to them hard brother
The current state of Jow Forums. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
>dude Hitler lmao

You never proved they WON'T do that though, did you?
Who is going to defend you were you attacked by someone with more money?

The world is not a lemonade stand newfag. MUH VOLUNTARY TRANSACTION HURRR doesn't work when people's fuckin lives are on the line. They will do whatever it takes to win, including coercion and other unethical things to survive.

Any 'winners' of the free market won't sit idly by playing nice. They will use, state or otherwise, anything they can to stay on top. NAP and volunteerism is a children's fantasy that falls apart as soon as you examine history, economics, and psychology for more than a few hours. PLEASE LURK MOAR newfag.

Kek, yet another illuminating post by the genius ancaps.

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i support minarchists. and yes you should look into the concept of Hoppean covenants that people who break the voluntary social contract they agree to should be physically removed

NAP applies to animals if they are not used for anything productive like fur or food. It applies to children as well but technically children are their parents legal tender until they leave the house. That doesn't mean you can sell your children into slavery though as they have a right to say no. They would just have to live in a foster home away from the parents which, considering their parents are evil, would probably be for the best anyways. That's just my opinion. Wars in future ancapistan will likely be over NAP translation.

Every anrachy has one huge problem. Sooner or later someone is going to end it. Imagine a world powerfull Corporation, in ancap it could form its own country, nobody would stop it. And militia would stand no chance against tanks, drones etc.

>if you don't volunteer we'll kill you
>btw guys taxation is theft and the state has a monopoly on violence
Cognitive dissonance

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Nobody is talking about any Nostradamus shit you dumb nigger.

>beachside property crosses your path

What do we do when large groups of extremely poor people try to form governments? There will always be socialists and communists preaching to the poor and hungry, and in ancap society it would be all but essential to get rid of them lest the entire poor population (which is probably 90+% of the total population) rise up and establish a government. I'm not against ancap, I'm just genuinely curious as to how we solve this problem of poorfags turning into commies.

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How enlightening. I'm happy to know you guys will never be on the public stage seriously because you'll just sperging out. And yes, asking someone how the private roads will work is predicting the future

>most effective tool by far via it's monopoly on violence

And ancap will not make any lick of difference. You're assuming such tools similar to the state won't be used by corporations that will do anything. If there isn't a monopoly of violence that they can use, they'll simply create their own armed force, and if push comes to shove, will use violence to stomp out competition. They probably won't need to even resort to this however, because there is literally a million ways mega-corporations kill competition WITHOUT the use of state power.

you can form an individual collective
newfags are all bluepilled statists
yes and i could go assault someone for no reason doesnt mean that i will you fucking retard
then physically remove them, anarcho-capitalism doesn't exclude the use of force
t. fake anarchist

how can you have nationalism if you dont have a collective

>for no reason
No, for money and resources.
>doesnt mean that i will you
Doesn't mean that someone WON'T you fucking retard.

>militias can't have tanks
remove them
tell me the ways corporations kill competition without violence

Collective =/= state
See Irvine Company, HOAs, even monarchies by some definition. IDK about OP but I have no problem with monarchies

>And yes, asking someone how the private roads will work is predicting the future
No, it's called asking a question. This is what's wrong with ANCAPs, any sort of question directed at them they perceive as some sort of personal attack or attack against their ideology.

ancap doesnt mean not having collectives
will you go and stab someone for his wallet right now? no, because you have enough money and respect other people, there is no incentive for you to do so. now there are retards who will do anything for any reason and they should be physically removed

>remove them
How? With who? On what authority? You could make the argument that communism inherently violates the NAP and that you can legally kill communists on sight, but that might be a stretch for some people, and even so, if like 50% of the country goes commie you're going to have a fucking civil war on your hands. How do you get rid of commies and socialists without violating the NAP?

How can you have nationalism without a nation

Who builds the tanks, and how are they paid for? How are the tank operators trained, and paid? Is there going to be a standing army?

if you want a road pay for the fucking road, it's not a complex concept you stupid fucking leaf
yes communism violates the NAP

state =/= nation
it's called a militia

You would be justified in killing them all BUT realistically you would have to cut your losses and take a pragmatic approach. For example, a king would be justified in killing an entire uprising but he wouldn't want to because he wants social cohesion in his kingdom.

exactly

Kurds

We already have roads, the question is how are these roads going to be maintained. You tell people something is optional, guess what? They're not going to pay for it.

So the roads will crumble, and traveling would turn into a dangerous and expensive chore, with constant upkeep for your vehicle getting fucked over by potholes. You want to live in and India-tier country? That's your prerogative.

What entity is going to enforce property rights in the absence of state?

But the roads user

>yes communism violates the NAP
Okay but then what? Do we only kill those who are open communists? What about the closeted ones? What about communist literature, do we have to ban that? Sounds like it's getting kind of statist. Banning ideas is pretty authoritarian.

Who fucking builds the tanks, and who pays for them? Who pays to train the militia? Who pays for the petroleum, and who produces it? Who pays for the AT and HE shells? Who pays for the ammunition? Who pays to do upkeep on the tanks?

>will you go and stab someone for his wallet right now?
Oh please.
People do it now with state you hate so much prosecuting criminals.
Do you think people will stop doing it were the state to magically disappear?
Won't they actually do it more boldly since they'll have less chances of getting caught?

You can't base a whole ideology on the people's good heart.

don't pay for it then and let the roads crumble, those of us who want roads will pay for them. Anarcho-capitalism only works when you have moral people of a certain intelligence level together

You and your gun. And I suppose in the mind of the ANCAP, if you can't defend yourself (or die defending yourself) that's your own fault.

>the question is how are these roads going to be maintained
Oh, that's easy.
People in control of them would Just add/increase tolls.
What happens when they decide to increase the toll by 10 times because why the fuck not?
Pay it or build your own road.
What a free society.

I wouldn't want to give an answer that was wrong because I don't like to speculate but alright I'll bite.
In my opinion, most local roads will be amanaged by an HOA and the freeways and larger arteries will be completely run by corporations

>Anarcho-capitalism only works when you have moral people of a certain intelligence level together
And you just hit right on the head why it will never work. Unfortunately there are too many stupid people, and people who are stupid buy overestimate their own intelligence.

A loosely defined but commonly agreed upon ideology of justified violence inplace of law.
What could go wrong.

Private police force, insurance companies, yourself if you can't afford either which will be unlikely.

I'm familiar with the Ancap arguments of Murray Rothbard, Robert Murphy, Hans Hoppe,etc. The issue with Ancap is that 95% of libertarians and Ancaps are white males. You will never achieve a minarchist or anarchist society with so many women and minorities having equal rights and drastically different beliefs, cultures, and values. Ancaps and libertarians generally support open borders and free immigration of low IQ, lawless retard races. While a society of whites could form and maintain a libertarian stateless society, a society of Africans would not form a libertarian, free market paradise.

>homeowners associations and corporations
oh cool, so quasi-state entities.

No user.
Stupid people aren't the worst enemy of anarcho-capitalism.
It's smart people with no morals.

Hypothetical: there are 3 corporations developing widgets in Ancapistan - perfectly competitive market. Every citizen in Ancapistan is working for one of the 3 corporations. One day, the R&D team of Corporation 1 develop a more efficient way to produce widgets, allowing them to cut costs and thus earn higher profits. They use these accrued profits to buy up on of their competitors - through the economies of scale afforded to them, theyre able to increase profits even further and thus buy up the final corporation. Now all citizens of Ancapistan work for Corporation 1 - its company policy is now law. Corporation 1 is now the state.

How would you prevent this?

Would it violate the NAP if I call you a fag?

>then physically remove them, anarcho-capitalism doesn't exclude the use of force
We've been over this, newfag, there's a reason why lolbertarian's muh voluntarism and NAP falls short.

Who's going to physically remove them? Their weaker competitions? Your 'physically remove them' hinges on other communities finding out and knowing that the mega-corporation is not playing nice, which assumes that there is a market/industry of people working to at LEAST investigate the violations 'NAP' or other rules.

What, you think these entities will be above being used by mega-corporations?

Your half-baked ideology does nothing to combat power consolidations using differential advantage. The whole point, is that that differential advantage doesn't have to be the State. As long as survival is on the line, which forces corporations and people to do whatever means necessary to perpetuate their existence, including violence and aggression, means that there HAS to be an arm of the market that deals with investigating and reporting these criminal activities, and the fact that these 'justice'-related entities are in fact, corporations and institution themselves, will not be above being bought used by the said corporations that they are supposed to be investigating.

Please lurk moar..

Also, if you don't yet see the resemblance of the above scenario as our history as tribes/city-states/countries/etc fighting against our neighboring competitions, i guess there's a reason why you're a smug AnCap with 90IQ.

people
only open statists
if you want to be defended then defend yourself or pay for it, really leaf it's a concept even stupid people understand, 50 IQ niggers like yourself will not be allowed in the covenant
the point is if you have a certain amount of money there is no incentive for you to take a small amount more at the risk of being shot

>state =/= nation
in ancap society i doubt you are going to hardly find any one who wouldnt volunterely want to live like in natsoc germany , with morals and virtues , they would rather be living in degenerate weimar republic with its consumerism and hedonism

How can you support both capitalism (a system that requires a rigidly enforced class-based structure of society) and anarchy (which is inherently classless)?
>also
How's being 15 treating you these days?

Africans don't understand or care about the NAP and they never will.

>tell me the ways corporations kill competition without violence
Holy shit, imagine being this retarded and ignorant LOLOL...

I remember when I was a naive 20-something AnCap who has yet to run an actual business in the real world.

Call it what you like, we're just about non agression. Theoretically, you could have a communist commune in ancapistan if you respected your noncommunist neighbors .

>the point is if you have a certain amount of money there is no incentive for you to take a small amount more at the risk of being shot
People's greed is bottomless.

Anarchism isn't classless, it's stateless. You can still have social hierarchy without a state...

>this civil arrest is brought to you by Harvey and Sons Bike Shop, putting the flare back in your ride has been a mition statement for as long as we have been family owned

The state gave corporations the power of being legally a human. JD Rockefeller had a minority of actual oil production before his "monopoly" was broken and even when he did have a monopoly, he didn't price gouge. What he did do, though, was use the state to basically ban ethanol which was his rival.

You've never been in a car accident evidently. The two insurance or security firms would work out a deal to make sure you are innocent or guilty

>Nazi Germany
>not consumerist
Is this a joke?

Here, buy the Volk's baby carriages, we're gonna be making lots of babies! Don't forget to purchase your Volkswagon, we built the autobahn just for you!

It's both which is why you should have some sort of religion like Christian morals and community, many can be educated and many can be taught moral systems of living, and that is the true path that will advance the ideology of anarchocapitalism
1. you may start your own corporation
2. the citizens must be moral and intelligent enough not to want a state, that is the purpose of hoppean covenants
kek
you yourself will remove them if for some bizarre reason some of your mercenaries don't want to be paid

>make a joke
>lolberts take it personally

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