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Libertarianism is the future. What do you think about libertarians?
What Libertarians Believe: The battle of ideas that shapes society
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Eli Rivera
>Libertarianism is the future
A large portion of Generation Z don't even believe in the first amendment.
Ryan Torres
Yeah right. We're the most pro free speech
Thomas Long
>battle of ideas
In a universal democracy, the majority of voters are dependents. They need more than they give. And as such, in self-interest, they will not vote for high and mighty ideas of freedom.
In a universal democracy, people will choose security and safety nets over freedom and responsibility every single time.
Libertarianism is primarily a white idea, and will always be as such.
Owen Jackson
IQ is on the decline in western society. We're going to be governed by emotions.
Hunter Myers
In the case of Latin America, we've been destroyed by Marxist/Fascist regimes... And today, the social-democracy implements and raise taxes gradually...
Gabriel Rivera
>What do you think about libertarians?
no libertarian society has enough structure to stop people from voting themselves out of libertarianism
Jack Ortiz
What accent is that? Latin? There are no libertarians outside of the US, save for those Latino retards maybe, yes.
Lincoln Lopez
But when the country was founded the average IQ was like 80!! How can this be??
John Sanders
Libertarians shit the bed in 2018 cucking for open borders. Every single damn one of em. Rand is the only one who changed his mind on the issue. The rest can go fuck themselves.
Elijah Bennett
IDEAS COME FROM PEOPLE
IF YA DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE
YA WON'T HAVE THE RIGHT IDEAS
knaaawledge
niggers still dont understand this is the year of lucifer 2018
Easton Edwards
Fucking hell
Jordan Nelson
Even Ron? I would figure that you wouldn't care about open borders that much versus caring about welfare first & foremost since that's the main draw.
Zachary Flores
>But when the country was founded the average IQ was like 80
The US was a nation in 1776. IQ became a term in 1912. Put your ass facts back in your ass.
Jace Mitchell
If you just read Jawn Lawk to the Somalis they'd become good citizens!
Robert Gray
So you're from Russia - a country that 40 years ago were starving to death... becuz your beloved socialism
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Juan Parker
That was sarcasm meant to make fun of the fact that our founders were effectively retarded according to our modern "IQ experts"
Dominic Young
Well, no, not Ron, but it was my impression that he already basically handed the torch to Rand in 2018. Welfare is very important and you are correct, but what leads to more of what? Open borders leads to more people on free gibs.
Leo Green
libertarianism only works in white societies
Jeremiah Cruz
Oh, the 'right ideas' for you:
Socialism
Kinki Socialism
Social-democracy
Marchendise-Corporativist-Communism...
So diverse.
Jason Campbell
Americans that go to Europe quickly understand that libertarianism belongs to the US. If Europeans to implement that shit they'd become a South American tier country.
Isaiah Jenkins
Ayn Rand is Jew not white.
Wyatt Flores
Just a friendly doodly reminder than Anarcho-Capitalism isn't synonymous with Libertarianism.
Samuel Hill
Libertarianism workd really fine in Cuba before Cuban Revolt...
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Jacob Turner
Well... I cannot find an appropriate flag... There's no libertarian flag on Jow Forums options. :\.
Benjamin Turner
Mason Perez
Except they gave up without a fight. Packed their shit and catapulted abroad.
Jayden Morales
unfortunately, ayn rand is not the gate keeper of libertarianism
Joshua King
Flags are for sovereign states. Libertarians don't get a flag.
Cooper Thompson
Oh OK, I was gonna say I could never see him pushing that but with how absurd it is to give non citizens gibs I figure of he was one of those people that'd be his angle. Glad he isn't though.
Aiden Rogers
The real fight is the disestablishment of label politics and group think collectivism. Our current 2 party system is a pendulum of distraction for the 80%.
Caleb Bell
She attacked libertarians when she was alive.
Jason Edwards
Adam Murphy
Tits or gtfo, Gloria
Nathaniel Kelly
there is no battle of ideas with the jewish oligarchic rulers
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Ethan Stewart
>Libertarianism
>In Cuba
>Right before the Revolution
Yeah, no : it was an autocratic shithole, with the local dictator backed by US corporations to preserve their monopoly against local and foreign competition.
David Hill
Politics seems to happen in cycles and no one single type of political organizing seems to be stable long term. That's where the pendulum of politics comes from, that swing left and right, the more right you go the more demand there is for the left and the more left you go the more demand for the right. Democracy seems to keep that balance in check though.
However the other axis of measurement, libertarian vs authoritarian doesn't seem to have the same swing back and forth, it tends to just continue to get more authoritarian until government is very large and becomes tyrannical to live under, and the only mechanism I've ever seen to correct for that seems to be either natural disaster that wipes everyone out, or civil war where many people fighting to free themselves of the tyranny. It doesn't seem to be something we can naturally reduce safely.
That's where libertarian ideas and values come in, the hope to reduce state power peacefully without having to resorting to millions dying. If we don't get a handle on it we'll see the west become ever more centrally run by the government and we'll see the pathology of the left or the right go wildly out of control like it did with the nazis and communists of the 20th century.
Lucas Scott
? Libertarianism means FREE MARKET - less taxes. 10 years ago, most Europeans countries were FREE MARKET COUNTRIES. Actually those countries are becoming more social-demoncratic, and they're failing. This source from Wikipedia: "Denmark has adopted the Nordic Model, which combines free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and strong worker protection." Where's the socialism here?
Colton Baker
A libertarian governance system can be implemented via blockchains for economic regulation and voting for officials and laws, jurisdictional courts interfacing with smart contracts, and taxation and identity being sudo-anonymous yet publicly known.
Government is a system of secured trust. Blockchains are a continuum of reliant immutable trust.
A revolution is possible. A yellow tide is possible worldwide.
Ryder Cooper
Wrong.
Jace Stewart
Liberation of the self from bulk collectivization.
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Lincoln Roberts
>open video
>im a freedom fighter
>close video
Isaac Ramirez
is natural law the same thing as libertarianism (life, liberty and property are sacred)
what is objectivism's (A is A) relation to libertarianism
i am an objectivist and a natural law(ist) but i dont know if that makes me a libertarian
also it annoys me that our enemies dont waste time with this stuff they just seize power and make up an illogically contradictory framework to justify it after the fact
Angel Ross
...but nothing compared like this shit:
Actually most Cubas consider Batista as a good leader than Fidel... And yea, Batista was a bad president - but nothing compared to the seditious genocidal of Fidel.
Alexander Phillips
If you give an inch they take a mile.
Librarian thinking allows for the inch that can bring down a civilization and culture.
Libertarians need to wake the fuck up. Everything they think of trying has been tried and has failed before.
The system established by the right is in fact the right system.
Isaac Clark
>What do you think about libertarians?
The last hope for the western world to survive
Adrian Ortiz
>Librarian thinking allows for the inch that can bring down a civilization and culture.
>Libertarians need to wake the fuck up. Everything they think of trying has been tried and has failed before.
Wrong , everything we are saying is that created the modern west and reached it´s peak in the 1900s when statecucks started again to worship the military and fucked everything up.
The west is a zombie living in borrowed time , either we go back to libertarian ideals or we go broke.
A worker in the 1920s in the usa a few years after income tax and central banking was implemented could buy a house with 8 months of work.
And this was the muh evil times of capitalism out of control.
Connor Wood
The problem with "market capitalism" is it isn't "free market capitalism" like the 50's & 60's.
The fee of entry is impossibly high in a "established" market.
Corporations love regulations, because they protect them from minor competitors innovating past them. Also lawyers aren't cheap user when trying to get 1000 different permits to build any type of infrastructure.
Slow death. We are in the neo-capitalism era.
Sebastian Ortiz
Basically corporate socialism.
James Thompson
Corporations are the biggest social burdon on American tax payers.
Matthew Allen
Libertarians here kinda suck though to be quite frank. Literal memes running for office.
Xavier Long
>10 years ago, most Europeans countries were FREE MARKET COUNTRIES
No we weren't : most european countries have been mixed economies since at least 1920.
European countries are social democracies. The governments are, despite colour labels, mostly left-leaning when considering the economics : they want a centrally planned system where the state decides how most of the wealth is being used.
They do this by using progressive taxation and then offering to redistribute to specific groups.
Public expenses in Western Europe is around 40-50% of the GDP and it has been so for at least 30 years.
Even regarding only the market, it isn't free : it is very much regulated and has been since the end of WW1.
It got worse after WW2, officially for strategic reasons, but now it's mainly to accomodate big monopolies mascarading behind an ecological agenda
Camden Scott
Yup. Nice meme...
And true. The real problem about socialism (including all its ways), it's that they implement so many taxes and raise it so gradually, and then people decide to close their businesses, then there's no production, and the government collection measures reduce, and then they establish more taxes to lowest classes (considering them as 'rich people'). Socialism is purely madness... There's no production, there's nothing good there...
William Campbell
I used to intern at D.C for a semester while in college. Corporations, as you said, love regulations. There wasn't a day where a lobbyist came in throwing their dick around for regulations and more welfare for their company
Cameron Watson
We really are in the end of days. Everything is becoming tribal and cynical. Litterally the world is being transitioned into group think of NPCs.
Joshua Miller
>The system established by the right is in fact the right system.
How is that against libertarianism ?
The only point of disagreement between the "right" (very loose term here) and the libertarians is that the latter want to abolish borders and legalize basically everything as long as it doesn't harm somebody else than the user.
Adrian Cook
Lol, the only time libertarianism "work" was in the pre civil war USA, and because the welfare infrastructure was built by the church to aliviate the ills of this insane ideology.
Why even associate with other men under a nation and be libertarian? it's counter intuitive.
There is a surge of very young libertarians in my country and they are usefull to fight against the "commies", i don't see their value beyond that, might as well be enemies of the state.
Logan Edwards
Oh... You're absolutely right!!!.
Logan Ross
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Colton Walker
You are arguing on one side of the coin tho.
When you talk about bread lines you forgot to flip the coin and talk about the other group lining up for their take.
Companies that can barely survive without tax breaks, near-zero interest loans, and government contracts.
The USA is being drained twofold. Republicans and Democrats are to NPC'ed to realize the full scope of the problem.
Carter Gonzalez
IT'S SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND: IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY, THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD, MISCELLANEOUS, ETC... THEY CONTROL IT AND DISTRIBUTE IT. YOU CAN'T BUY ANYTHING YOU WANT. YOU'RE FORCED TO RECEIVE ONLY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDE YOU. AND IF YOU SHOW SOME KIND OF CONCERN OR COMPLAIN AGAINST THE SYSTEM, THEY REDUCE YOUR FOOD OR LET YOU STARVE TO DEATH. THAT'S SOCIALISM.
Gavin Butler
The reason the NPC meme caused such a strong response from the vox populi is because it was shattering the illusion normal people had about their ideas being unique and freely formed with group kinship.
The NPC doesn't like an individual that supports ideas that include both sides of a spectrum. They only like things being black or white but hate when everything begins to turn grey.
I hope I'm making some kind of sense. We need to turn people against black or white collectivization. Politically in a 2 party system it seems most impossible.
Nathaniel Harris
Zog serfs
Cameron Torres
They are somewhat correct. Natsoc was done by 10%, but the reason we are in today is because the vast majority thinks that somehow this wellfare system is a great idea...also the majority of them also like niggers and other scum.
We are more or less being oppressed by the left, retarded, morons who have a nigger pet fetish.
Hunter Peterson
>"muh oppression"
Nathan Cooper
fucking this
fucking this
there are no libertarians in the libertarian party
Cooper Hill
>he thinks the 50s and 60s were some market fundamentalist utopia
Bwahahahah
Noah King
Fascism it's NOT GOOD. :\. But that's the truth. Fasicism/NAZIS/Marxists - are regimes where the government rules and decide every aspect of individuals.
Isaac Cooper
No but it was a time of substantial growth in a non-established market economy.
Talk to a economist. My information is limited.
Landon Butler
>market fundamentalist
lmao allah huackbaaarr!
Parker Jackson
That time were less taxes - which means more money in your wallet - which means more consumption, more sales, more jobs... Today so many democracies are collapsing because their excessive taxes and regulations.
Aiden Perry
You need fascists to remove those who would not follow your rules. A communist does not respect your rule of law and wants to kill you. That is why one turns to fascists to remove that person.
Kevin Walker
>there are no libertarians in the libertarian party
n-not real libertarianism comrade!! it's just a cohencidence that 9/10 libertarian leaders are open borders whores
Noah Bailey
Posting an image from 1990's during the пepecтpoйкa, when the state-run factories got privatised and as a result, stopped working altogether as thiefs and mobsters freshly out of jail took over public life.
There were no femines for nearly four decades after the war in soviet russia.
Isaac Evans
Yeah, it's almost like global fixed exchange rates, government-led initiatives and spending to build up infrastructure and strategic industries, intervention to balance nations' current accounts, prudential regulation, and prudential capital controls do wonders for economies.
Leo Hall
THE ONLY TRUTH IS THAT WHEN A SOCIALIST SYSTEM IS IMPLEMENTED AND BEGINS TO COLLAPSE, THEN THEY SAY "THAT'S NOT SOCIALISM" "THAT'S NOT FULLY SOCIALISM"... How ambiguous.
Carter Baker
>IT'S SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND: IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY, THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD
Yes, and it does so bloddy well, much better than any private corporation. Meanwhile, under capitalism, you simply starve as you run out of money and you "refuse to work hard", aka be a mindless slave to your employer.
It would be even better if people controlled their own slice of land, but under capitalism, land is owned by trusts, bishops, big companies, lords, wealthy idividuals etc.
Only the government can and should put a limit on how much you can own to ensure everyone has an equal chance.
Josiah Hernandez
>Yes, and it does so bloddy well
Oh, really?
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Xavier Jackson
Every human civilization eventually collapses as people are not immortal.
The question is, which ones have been the most humane and prosperous and the least toxic for the world, and recent history is pretty dense on this topic (Nazi Germany in ruins, two nuclear bombs on civilian cities VS first man in space, first country to adobt female voting, first working nuclear reactor).
I'd say communism has some pretty strong arguments going for it.
Camden Wright
But collapse in less than 100 years - which means that it's a failure. Your USSR. Was. A. FAILURE.
Isaiah Collins
>Heaps of food
>People fat as fuck
Yep, pretty sure. Isn't Venezuela even under foreign embargo by the US ("free trade" only if you support our fascist Francos, Pinochets et. al.)?
Levi Turner
Sotty dude but you missed the party by 6-10 years. Libertarianism is a dead ideology. gary Johnson and the LP killed it by embracing open borders so strongly. Weld fucked up by saying nice things about Clinton as well. The Libertarian Party is the DEFINITION of controlled opposition, they agree with Democrats on almost everything except welfare, while pretending they appeal to conservatives still. I used to be libertarian but after Ron Paul left it's been co-opted by globalist shills who push immigration and H1Bs to lower wages and turn us all into a brown slave race of good goy consumers. Fuck the Koch brothers, they deserve to be hated just not for the reasons that Dems hate them.
Dominic Watson
The USSR will be remembered as the shining star amongst darkness of the 20th century.
Benjamin Sanchez
Every government goes from a democracy or republic to socialism to communism to totalitarian to dictatorship, then collapses with a split second of anarchy until a republic or democracy reforms. Sometimes, they skip steps. As an American, we should want to keep the government as it is. Libertarians tend to be young people who haven't passed basic college government. Fucktards. First time here. What a mess. "Is this what you want, you sick fucks!? You want to see children die!!??"
Carter Cox
This , Rand argued that companies and people act in their own rational self-interest. The issue is now, for large corporations, their rational self-interest is outsourcing, open borders and higher taxes and regulations. If the people disagree with you replace the people with 3rd worlders who have no concept of liberty and will work for a dollar.
We need national capitalism similar to how the US was for most of history. The US was prosperous after the Civil War because tariffs were high and politicians cared about American workers and interests first. When a corporation is a bad faith actor you bring down the hammer, Republicans need to stop being cucks and remember people like Teddy.
Samuel Jones
Gloria alvarez is a degenerate roastie who is pro LGBTQIAURKAMD
Hoppean libertarianism is the solution
Connor Reyes
Never possible. The funding need requires someone of the likes of self funding Trump has.
Adam Lee
libertarians simple ideas for simple minds
Evan Sanchez
libertarians don't seem to recognize the consequences everyone else can see coming from their ideas
Jackson Miller
these people were ready to cash in democracy a few years and all the hard fought gains the peasants made for a libertarian utopia.
if it worked. if not....
Elijah Cook
reckless halfwits
Evan Martinez
Thanks for the quality post, fren
Wyatt Cruz
Oh, for sure... Socialism have been the disgrace of this world. If socialism would remembered as shining star amongst darkness shall be by pressure and cohesion...
Isaac Barnes
They think in theoreticals & their theories always assume rationality of people (white) & that if they only knew that this way is better they'd chose this way of life. All you need to do is ask them why Africa hasn't adopted those ideals to watch them instantly transform into a SJW.
Daniel Ross
The tale of the Embargo. The embargo on Venezuela began in 2017... Venezuela have been in that situation after the government established the expropriations of so many industries around the country - 6 years ago.
Henry Roberts
Venezuela is not even under a fucking embargo you commie nigger.
In fact right and libertarian venezuelans are hating the us for at least 3 years because burguers keep importing oil from venezuela non stop , in fact the venezuelan gov has a corporation in the usa named citgo which employs lot´s of burguers.
And yet the usa keeps importing oil and let´s the venezuelan government own business inside the usa.
You can literally fill your car in the usa directly from the venezuelan government.
The only sanctions the usa put on venezuela have been on government leaders buying mansions in the usa.
Bentley Butler
...and the embarg was only against political leaders of Socialist Venezuela - who talk to their people about "being rich is bad", but they have mansions and businesses in the US and other 1st world CAPITALIST countries. If they can expropriate to Venezuelan people, so it's fair that the US government expropriate the properties to those evil Marxists.
James Perez
But there are solid proofs and evidence that socialism it's afilure.
Nicholas Johnson
This is the consumerism Keynesian model. Libertarian nationalism with a hard currency leads to sustainable growth due, not infinite growth, to the effect of supply and demand. Just look at pre-1914 America.
Kayden Morgan
Honestly, Monarchs outlast everything by a massive margin when it comes to stability.