Let's compare notes on women...

Never trust your girl until she gives you lots of reasons to. The second you make yourself vulnerable they attack that vulnerability like a pack of hyenas and you'll be left feeling like a chump

I think this what I was missing from my previous relationship. I was playful but played it too safe and was overall waaaay too nice. She even said I was nicest person she ever met. Fucking dumb ass I am.

Wish you best, user. If I could offer you a bit of advice, don't stop halfway and keep going despite how tough it is.
Remember this is a marathon not a sprint. Gradual change, user, little by little.

If a girl says I’m not having sex with you. It’s one of the best indicators that she wants to fuck you. Don’t address it. Or calmly say okay and move on.

ITT: immature teenagers with a teaspoon of life experience play games in dating, act like butthurt whiny bitches when girls play games back and refuse to trust them

Unless a virgin, if you like her, fuck on the first date. They are kind of bound to you if you do, plus you get to have pussy on the reg straight away.
If she's a virgin, romance her first, sure. If it's her first time it deserves to be special so taking it slower is recommended.

She's still my oneitis, and I'm currently onto wife #2.
So in my case, you got lucky user.

Trips of truth, I guess.
Thanks very much for your kind words.
I didn't know there was such a genuine space on 4.

Kek, I think you misunderstood my post.
I had no intimate realtion ot a girl in just about 20 years, apart from the things that children call "girlfriend".
Man, that was cute to be honest.
But that aside, that is 12 years ago.
I am 20 now, and I have not experienced emotion and relation on the level that most have at age 14.
I sadly didn't get to be born neurotypical.
But that is just making excuses!

...Unless you meant to say "better not get attached to anyone in those years or you'll miss it".

Watch out for her friends, they will sometimes enjoy destroying relationships (even if they like you).

stop worshiping virgins.
fuck her like the slut she will inevitably become.

Am womanizer. Body count in the 40's.

>always remember that you aren't talking to a woman, you're talking to a person - be interesting to people and you'll be interesting to women
>women have hopes and dreams and desires and wants and fantasies just like you do - ask her about them, listen actively and engage, and remember things she says - they notice when you remember later
>flirting is the art of making someone else feel good about themselves without being obvious and crass about it - build her up, don't tear her down
>don't be afraid to hold a woman's gaze if you catch it
>always leave more questions than answers - but don't be cryptic. just don't give it all away up front

>be aware of your appearance
>dress in clean smell free clothes
>be aware of your body odor - girls love a man who smells nice, literally every woman i'm with mentions later how nice i smell
>fresh breath - brush your teeth twice daily, scrub your tongue right down to the back of your throat with your toothbrush
>regular haircuts

>don't talk about other women you've fucked, but if they bring it up be candid
>nothing is more unattractive than a man afraid to be himself - it's insecurity to the max
>never be afraid to bat above your weight, cause you've got nothing to lose - but be realistic

>believe you're going to score. women smell fear, doubt and desperation. if you don't think you'll pull off the big move, she won't either
>take charge during sex, but listen to her body - be firm but gentle
>make the big move and believe in it when you do. if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. you haven't lost anything. don't get caught up in it. either move on, or wait and give it another go later

>never appear sexually insecure - your dick is fine, she isn't gonna know till after you've fucked, you eat pussy like a champ
>always eat the pussy. for a long time. make her cum before you and she'll come back for more
>never ask for anything sexually - either she wants to give it to you, or you take it

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Note: don't rape women in changing stalls without knocking them out first

This thread is good for getting laid and all but man... its sad how easily people get shaped by just a few shitty experiences with women to start seeing them as fucking aliens or malicious demons

D E S T R O Y E D I N S E C O N D S

jokes on you, i have no experience and i still consider them malicious demons

oh fuck

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one bad apple spoils the bunch, either my apple is clean and fresh or the worms used it up.

>Even if you think she’s a slut, don’t make her FEEL like she’s a slut. >Women are down for anything as long as they don’t feel like you’ll scorn or judge them for it later.
>When in doubt, do something random & silly. Too many guys freeze up with angry women and start pussying out.
>Don’t negotiate with her
>Don’t try to appease her
>Don’t explain yourself to her
>Don’t rationalize yourself to her
>Don’t defend yourself from her
>Don’t be scared to leave her
>Don’t be scared to flirt with other women in front of her
>Don’t apologize to her
>She will respect you 1000x more as a man
>Whenever she gets uppity, stop and ask yourself “Would she speak to her boss/professor/father/acquaintance this way?” if the answer is “no” then ghost her
>Don’t worry too much about hobbies & interests, if she wants to fuck you she’ll start copying whatever you enjoy anyway
>Telling her “I love you” first makes them think you’re desperate, let her do it
>She’s always texting 4-5 hopeless beta orbiters minimum, be the guy who only messages her when you’re planning a time to smash her
>Always take 3x as long as she does to respond to messages
>Women DO NOT play hard to get, if she wants your dick she will not impede you from jamming it in her cunt
>Teases enjoy watching betas get aroused and sloppily trip over themselves, they want a man who will shoot down all her attempts at seduction until she approaches him earnestly and fucks her before she has the opportunity to withdraw again
>Guys who travel for work are 90% of the time dating or married to an unbearable harpy
>Keep yourself mysterious, women only start to get uppity with men they think they have secured
>She’s a child, don’t take her too seriously
>Your attention/commitment is the male equivalent of pussy. Just like men don’t respect women who freely give away their pussy, women don’t respect men who freely offer up their commitment/attention.

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Women love guys who disagree with them or piss them off even. Sometimes I’ll randomly tell a girl “Don’t talk to me” or “No” with a disgusted look on my face when she tries to start up a conversation with me. She’ll lose her shit for a while barking at her own tail trying to figure out what she did wrong and getting upset that she can’t lash out at me. It’s cathartic.

Women are like dogs when it comes to emotions. They don’t care if they’re smelling turds or roses, they just wanna smell lots of stuff. Women don’t want you to “Male them happy”. Happiness is what men pursue in life because we suffer & struggle so often. Women want to feel EVERYTHING. Happy, sad, angry, jealous, annoyed, etc. And loads of guys end up boring women to death by trying to “Make her happy” because they project the desire for 24/7 happiness & contentment onto her. Women would rather be beaten to death than bored to death.

The trick is to find her drama cap. Some women max out emotionally at a muttering of “That food you made was so fucking gross”, others want you to knock her teeth out and scream in her face. I suggest cycling your behavior with her over time.

>Be aloof to her
>Be mean to her
>Be sweet to her
>Be normal to her

These 4 main activities when moved in a cycle will usually be enough to emotionally satisfy the average woman. Don’t make lengths of a particular behavior consistent though. Go according to her mood.

>ask for sex during a date you're giving her too much time to think

Yeah just fucking rape her, becuz girls like spontaneous guys. What could go wrong?

This is very true. If she doesn’t let you get it in by the 3rd date, she’s just toying with you or keeping you in the “Human ATM” box for marriage/LTR. I advise against dating at all anyway because it’s literally just a job interview for a beta. Many men make the mistake of thinking

>Give attention
>Then she’ll put out

When it’s the opposite that works.

>She puts out
>You reward her with a bit of attention

This is actually good advice.

I'd say training the woman like dogs is an effective addendum to your points. Things like:

>Supervise
>Set a routine
>Never punish your dog for eliminating indoors.
>Reward your dog for getting it right.

Basically carrot and sticks, basics that work pretty good to become a husband/man she'll love. Of course it needs some adjustment to fit the human characters first.

It's not about being an aggressive rapist. It's more like an encouragement to men to not be afraid to take initiative.
Of course if it's not working, you'll be stopping the act. It's a common sense.

>ask for sex
Who on earth is beta enough to do this? You never “ask” a woman to fuck. You go to her place or yours with a thinly veiled bullshit excuse like listening to music so she doesn’t feel slutty and then just get to it when the mood is good. You overcome her last minute mental slut reluctance (teasing her before ramping it up, or backing off annoyed then escalating once more) and enjoy yourself.

Basically. Any man who isn’t autistic understands that women have 2 types of “No” when it comes to sex. A real no, and the “C’mooooon, grope me more you little pussy! You know you gotta take what you want!” no. Women hate guys who need to be TOLD how to get them. “Can I kiss you?” spoils the entire mood. No woman has ever bragged to her friends “Holy shit! He was so polite when he fucked me! It was unbelievably hot. This dude kept asking permission to touch me anywhere, total sex god.”

This is too true

>”Just so you know, we r NOT having sex”

Could be considered an official mating call from women

>image macro

t.virgin who never spoke to a girl casually

Stop treating them like a hive mind and stop sizing up every single one as a prospect
Please
Getting over these will improve your chances greatly. But also realize you're always on chance, they're human beings with their own thing going on

People who get angry at threads like this tend to be the following

>Ignorant betas who are upset that we imply women aren’t perfect
>Women who don’t want men to know the truth about them
>Virgins who actually drank the Disney kool-aid about relationships

People aren’t all the same. What attracts a woman to a man doesn’t make a man attracted to a woman.

Nobody is but people act like women are fucking ants receiving hivemind commands from the Queen or something

Or we could just be normal dudes with decent success with women that see a lot of the bullshit spouted off by the PUA community on here, and cringe at the fact the some young dumb kid isn't going to be able to sift through it all and find the actual good advice.

There's that option as well.

I think most of the stuff here is good. What exactly do u think is bad?

Not him but anything suggesting even light mind games
Mind games are unattractive to both sexes

>thread about women
>no women allowed

You'll never make it.

why do I know yall have never had sex and have been reading too much PUA and jordan peterson shit

not him but the whole "be emotionally unstable and manipulative with ur dumb bitch gf women love to be told wat to do I think" thing doesn't work unless you're Turbo Chad and you're looking to date Retard Staceys

Just be a regular person for christ's sake

You can safely say that a dog with his ears flattened and licking his lips wants to attack because he’s scared. You can safely assume that a cat slowly opening and closing it’s eyes is extremely happy. Humans are animals like any other, and display consistent mating behaviors.

>Women love guys that piss them off

Some emotionally damaged women do. The same way I'm emotionally damaged and love women who will ruin my life. It's not good general advice. Because usually when a normal woman gets pissed at you, her panties are getting soaked, she's just mad.

You really don't have to try and emotionally manipulate a woman to get her interested in you. If she's interested in you, she'll put up with your emotional back and forth bullshit. If she's not, you just look like a dick, and she's still not going to date you. Either way, it's a pointless game to play, and certainly not going to work in a long term committed relationship.

You know, stuff like that.

Women do not know what they want. They will just mislead everyone and give them shitty advice based on what they think they want.

QED

I found out why you might have trouble with women
It could be because your personality is complete and utter shit

I think I caught autism just by reading this post. Human emotions, body language, and social behavior is infinitely more evolved than a baboon sticking its pink swollen ass up on the alpha male's face.

What makes you assume i do...
I am in a happy 4 year relationship just here to give advice.

This is the guy you should be taking advice from: The one that can't get into a relationship.

Men all think this because they all think they're exactly what women want. When women don't want them, it must be that women don't know what they want!

No, men are just incapable of realizing that they're shit.

It is not much, but:

1) You cannot understand women before you understand men (and most problems, especially on Jow Forums, arise from the fact that some guys didn't act like men).
Instead of reading sooo much on women, read something on men.

2) ALWAYS judge by action, never by words (though this applies to all people)

3) Trust your gut.

> If she likes you she will make time. If she doesn't she will make excuses

Be careful with this. I always abide by the 3 flake rule. If she flakes 3 times she's not interested.

How I learned this:

I used to just not deal with anyone that flaked on the first meetup. But as we get older lives get busier especially in your 20s.

I met a girl recently, and everything was going perfect. We were hitting it off over text, I made plans to hang out, we sent nudes. And she flaked on our first attempt. I forgot the reason why but it was a reasonable excuse.

I was ready to just move on, but god damn she has some serious tits and we have so much in common and she really makes an effort to talk to me, not the other way around.

So I said fuck it, I'll give it a second chance

She flakes on me that saturday due to a cold (legit had a cold though, snapchatted her all day and she just laid in bed and looked awful). I was pretty fucking pissed, but I said, you know what, one last chance and then I'm done.

The next night we're dirty talking, I send her a picture of my dick and shes going fucking hard with her vibrator and I just go "Hey, when are you free this week" she gives a couple days and I go "Okay, we're hanging this day, don't cancel again"

We meet up that day and end up having seriously the best sex I've ever had and I think we're gonna start dating.

>Or we could just be normal dudes with decent success with women
Orbiting a girl for a few months and getting the odd obligatory handjob isn’t success
>see a lot of the bullshit spouted off by the PUA community on here
PUA are only about 25% correct in what they say due to their crude trial & error method. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

This thread is simply about comparing notes on what has worked and actually studying female behavior. Nothing more. Men differ from women in that we can rationally break down their behaviors based on observation, empirical evidence, and testing rather than wildly guessing what works.
>cringe
I can already tell you’re a skinny, nasal voiced, bearded faggot from reddit

Lol
>young dumb kid isn't going to be able to sift through it all and find the actual good advice.
You mean horseshit meant to transform another naive boy into some bitch’s weak lapdog

Hahaha my ex gf did this to me. I matched her like 2 years after we broke up and was like "okay come over lets catch up" "Ok!! but no sex!!"

Came over, had her on my knob in 20 minutes.

After sex "You won't just stop talking to me after this will you" "nahhhh"

Blocked all contact with her after that day. Thats what you fucking get for being a psycho cunt

“Asking a woman how to fuck women is like asking a fish how catch a fish. You ask a fisherman.”

-My dad

The advice has served me way better than the Disney garbage women absentmindedly spout when you ask them

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>yall
Reddit faggot detected. Unless you’re black or from the Deep South, the only people who say this are effeminate nancy boys from that shithole who wanna sound “folksy”.
>thing doesn't work unless you're Turbo Chad and you're looking to date Retard Staceys
The fuck is this incel shit? All women are the same
>Just be a regular person for christ's sake
This post reeks of virginity

Your dad is a fucking badass. Tell him that for me. I'm steeling this quote btw.

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It took us over 50 replies to get an answer that has both hit puberty and tapped a lady, because this shit
is some blatant projecting

But he's right, it's like why men are bad to ask on how to please a man. They know how they please themselves but women enact a lot of subtleties in order to make it all work.
In both cases the respective gender can offer some good starting points but you're going to want your major pointers to come from experience on the delivery, not the reception

>Some emotionally damaged women do
And here come the canned responses

>O-Only girls with issues react to that!
>Y-Your jedi mindtricks would never work on me!
>Th-They’re just stupid!

Guess what? It works on all manner of women
>The same way I'm emotionally damaged and love women who will ruin my life
Nice LARP
>Because usually when a normal woman gets pissed at you, her panties are getting soaked, she's just mad
You’ve never had a woman attracted to you, and you reacted like an idiot when they got pissy
>You really don't have to try and emotionally manipulate a woman to get her interested in you
It’s not manipulation anymore than a woman wearing makeup and dressing cute is manipulation
>Either way, it's a pointless game to play, and certainly not going to work in a long term committed relationship.
My parents have been married 26 years, it’s going smooth

Have you considered at least TRYING to be mean to a girl before?

>Virgin PUAs trying to compare notes on how to get laid and be in happy relationships

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Weird. My approach has always been that women are people rather than prey.

People actually tell me I’m one of the nicest people they’ve ever met. I know you have this caricature in your head of me as this knuckle dragging woman beating rapist, but you’d never in 1,000 years guess that I manage women the way I do. I don’t run down the street chasing my girls with a bullwhip like they told you on reddit. I give them what they want, and they give me what I want. I’m not a monster, I just see things how they are instead of how I wish it was like some hippy fuck. I love women as much as I’m realistically able to, and I do appreciate what they can add to my life. Like any other person or animal.
>Human emotions, body language, and social behavior is infinitely more evolved
A thing can’t be “more evolved”. Maybe more complex, but not “more evolved” like this is fucking Pokémon. And unfortunately, humans do generally react to the same stimuli. All natural phenomena can be quantified and studied.

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>It’s not manipulation anymore than a woman wearing makeup and dressing cute is manipulation

A woman wearing shoes is not mainpulation, no, but the posts ITT are explicitly telling poor virgins to (try to) actively mainpulate women so no it's not quite the same thing either.

>Guess what? It works on all manner of women

It really doesn't. PUA memes only works on the type of girl that PUA are shooting for - and it only works when it's a PUA doing it.

>A thing can’t be “more evolved”

Yes it can professor

Thanks for bumping the thread and all but if you don't have any good advice to drop please leave. Stop calling everyone you disagree with a virgin. Drop some knowledge if you think we're so wrong so until then fuck off.

I spent my early twenties being a dick to women. It got me laid for a while, and not into a single decent, lasting relationship.

I'm glad to hear about your parents. Now if you had some actual first hand advice that wasn't shit we could have a real conversation.

Better yet, let's talk when you finish up with puberty.

>Virgin redditor smirking from his marvel swivel chair as he waits for his Oneitis to reply to the ebin pun he sent her 3 days ago
Funny you say that. The part of the male brain that is stimulated when hunting/chasing is the same part that lights up when sexually aroused. Men hunt, women are hunted. Both genders are happier when we do this. Instead of acting out egalitarian delusions.

I've been with virgins, turbosluts, been in threesomes, in long-term loving relationships, one night-stands, stole a guy's girlfriend away from him, had a 10 year age gap that went both ways in my relationships and casual encounters

but uh apparently I'm both a salty incel redditor as well as a roastie feminazi faggot, so what do I know lmao

The fact that you blew a paragraph and a picture just to try to prove me wrong proves what I need to know
People telling you you're nice on the internet doesn't mean shit, chief. Sorry. Your internet friends are as transient as the weather

>The part of the male brain that is stimulated when hunting/chasing is the same part that lights up when sexually aroused.

no it doesn't

And you're still the type who needs to play comparison games on the internet

>play comparison games

what do you mean

>but the posts ITT are explicitly telling poor virgins to (try to) actively mainpulate women so no it's not quite the same thing either
It’s not manipulation. Acting in a sexually appealing manner isn’t manipulative.
>It really doesn't.
Ass on fire. We’re never going to agree here.
>PUA memes only works on the type of girl that PUA are shooting for
Not everyone who you don’t like is PUA. I’ve been with conservative women, liberal women, shy women, outgoing women, tomboyish women, feminine women, complete degenerate trainwrecks, religious daddy’s girls, nice girls, bitchy girls, different races, etc. They all say beep-boop-bop if you press the same emotional buttons.
>and it only works when it's a PUA doing it
PUA has been dead since like 2011, grandpa

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>I spent my early twenties being a dick to women
Nice LARP
>It got me laid for a while, and not into a single decent, lasting relationship
Yeah I’m sure.
>Better yet, let's talk when you finish up with puberty.
Pssht, nothing personnel...shitlord
>no u

Fucking kek. I’m sure that sounded cooler in your head, virgin.

>It’s not manipulation

the very first post of this thread openly calls for emotional manipulation, not even my words.

then you have dumb shit like

it's also the same part that lights up when you go for a jog so I think your point is a little diluted.

I’m not that guy, but he’s right. None of it is dumb, it works. And it makes women stick like glue as long she believes you’re the best she can get. Men and women are inherently sexual antagonists.
True

>None of it is dumb, it works.
according to who? Most people don't have to cycle through emotional abuse to get a girl to stay with them actually.

Not stay with them, stay ATTRACTED to them

okay but the point still stands, most people don't need to be a lite-abuser to get a woman to stay attracted to them.

Here's my advice for getting girls

first
>Be attractive
Not what you think it means. It means just get a decent haircut, lose a little bit of weight, and wear some decent clothes, a plaid shirt and khakis and leather sneakers, literally not hard.

People think this means they need to be 10/10 born with aesthetics and they're wrong. I'm fucking balding, norwood 3. All I had to do was get a new haircut, and grow a shitty beard, and start dressing like an adult

>Be fun
It's easier than it sounds. Just send some stupid memes, if she says stuff like 'ugh im fat' be like 'I like em thicc' or some shit. Any girl who isn't insecure will fucking laugh at that.

Have fun for yourself, not for her. If you're trying to be fun for her you will fail. You're supposed to enjoy yourself

>Don't waste time
You match a girl on tinder and hit it off, keep fucking using tinder until you actually meet up with someone. They're doing it too.

>Girls are disposable
Seriously, embarrass yourself, get rejected, move on. The more you reserve yourself and play it safe the more you will stay single.

Everyones like "I don't want to be creepy" If you TRY to not be creepy, you will come off creepy. Just be comfortable.

>Ease into sex
If a girl wants to start talking sex immediately, flip the topic, make her beg for sex from you, don't have her just lead you into sex

and 2-3 beers until you get the hang of it will have you plenty confident. I don't open tinder unless I've had a few

Where to find the chaste feminine girl who are looking for marriage?

>If you could make the women feel her secret/reputation would be safe in your hands
Be careful with this though. If you emphasize too much intimacy like this too early on, you'll just become a glorified therapist who doesn't get anything out of it. Build up the relationship on common interests and being able to get along before getting too deep emotionally.

I started interacting with girls only 5 years ago after missing most of my life, and you can catch pretty fast if you are willing to really focus on yourself and how to interact, but no matter what it'll take a few years if you are totally foreign to women

this thread made me realize I could've went in
>first close encounter
>scared to shit with all the horror stories of being filed for rape
>she opens her legs and I'm right between them after a lot of foreplay
>about to go
>I asked if she's ready
>with her fucking legs open
>she then says no
>back off

am I retarded? Do I just go with unwritten consent?
I don't want jail time yet if it's her word against mine I guess I'll always be facing that risk, even if I get verbal consent.

Good luck my dude. Also remember that you have to be willing to admit your own faults. But, you can do anything if you work hard enough, so failures are just ways to learn

that's why only fuck women you are in a LTR with and about to get married too.

at a church or some sort of temple

I've slept with about 30-40 women by now (27)and most of this thread is perfectly good advice.

>Relationships are best when she initiates the chase, you are in a more valuable position.
>If she doesn't initiate the chase then only communicate through the phone to set up dates
>Calling>texting
>Too much communication/texting makes a you too available and lowers her attraction
>Reserve the phone for setting up dates only, communicating about mundane topics can be done in person.
>Give her shit like you're better than her--because you likely are. You require charisma, money, fitness, status and a good date to be attractive, she only requires a vagina and decent looks.

Also here's a bit of fun information
>There are two sides to every women and these are influenced by her hormones throughout her cycle.

>Women on average are only incredibly horny 8 days out of the month about a week before their period (girls good to go 24/7 are outliers) this is the time they decide to go out clubbing to find an alpha male to fuck. This period is called the follicular phase and is when estrogen peaks.

>All other days of the month they're in what's called a leutal phase and are searching for a beta provider to cling to. This is why so many women marry rich dudes and fuck Chad on the side.

Do not let her use you, if you interview any girl about her ex she'll say he was an asshole. Because assholes display the dominant behavior they were looking for during horny week and assholes don't make for good providers.

Your options are beta provider or asshole, be the asshole.

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High school, church, another country, maybe Jow Forums.

Yes you are retarded. Asking if she's ready turned her off. Its like asking to kiss her. You dun fucked up, let her tell you no.