Daily reminder that history repeats itself and we're experiencing similar social ills that ancient rome went through.
Daily reminder that history repeats itself and we're experiencing similar social ills that ancient rome went through
Ian Hernandez
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Bentley Thomas
and this time the Dacian anti christ will preserve Rome instead of allowing (((Constantine))) destroying it en.m.wikipedia.org
Juan James
Not nearly as bad as some points though. Noblemen and politicians were given labels of Illustrious, Respectables, and Honorables based on rank. They were completely self indulgent and you can tell the hedonism and self-centeredness of the people really sunk its way into their consciousness. We're not quite there yet but with the brainlets walking round with college degrees thinking they know half a shit about life because of their time in college, makes me wonder
Jacob Morris
We still have a hundred years until we are as bad as they were.
Robert Robinson
The first painting, The Savage State, shows the valley from the shore opposite the crag, in the dim light of a dawning stormy day. A hunter clad in skins hastens through the wilderness, pursuing a deer; canoes paddle up the river; on the far shore can be seen a clearing with a cluster of tipis around a fire, the nucleus of the city that is to be. The visual references are those of aboriginal North American life. This painting depicts the ideal state of the natural world. It is a healthy world, unchanged by humanity.
Connor Butler
In the second painting, The Arcadian or Pastoral State, the sky has cleared and we are in the fresh morning of a day in spring or summer. The viewpoint has shifted further down the river, as the crag with the boulder is now on the left-hand side of the painting; a forked peak can be seen in the distance beyond it. Much of the wilderness has given way to settled lands, with plowed fields and lawns visible. Various activities go on in the background: plowing, boat-building, herding sheep, dancing; in the foreground, an old man sketches what may be a geometrical problem with a stick. On a bluff on the near side of the river, a megalithic temple has been built, and smoke (presumably from sacrifices) arises from it. The images reflect an idealized, pre-urban ancient Greece. This work shows humanity at peace with the land. The environment has been altered, but not so much so that it or its inhabitants are in danger.
Liam Thomas
The third painting, The Consummation of Empire, shifts the viewpoint to the opposite shore, approximately the site of the clearing in the first painting. It is noontide of a glorious summer day. Both sides of the river valley are now covered in colonnaded marble structures, whose steps run down into the water. The megalithic temple seems to have been transformed into a huge domed structure dominating the river-bank. The mouth of the river is guarded by two pharoi, and ships with lateen sails go out to the sea beyond. A joyous crowd throngs the balconies and terraces as a scarlet-robed king or victorious general crosses a bridge connecting the two sides of the river in a triumphant procession. In the foreground an elaborate fountain gushes. The look of the painting suggests the height of ancient Rome. The decadence seen in every detail of this cityscape foreshadows the inevitable fall of this mighty civilization.
Jaxon Cook
The fourth painting, Destruction, has almost the same perspective as the third, though the artist has stepped back a bit to allow a wider scene of the action, and moved almost to the center of the river. The action is the sack and destruction of the city, in the course of a tempest seen in the distance. It seems that a fleet of enemy warriors has overthrown the city's defenses, sailed up the river, and is busily firing the city and killing and raping its inhabitants. The bridge across which the triumphant procession had crossed is broken; a makeshift crossing strains under the weight of soldiers and refugees. Columns are broken, fire breaks from the upper floors of a palace on the river bank.
In the foreground a statue of some venerable hero (posed like the Borghese Warrior) stands headless, still striding forward into the uncertain future.[a] In the waning light of late afternoon, the dead lie where they fell, in fountains and atop the monuments built to celebrate the affluence of the now fallen civilization. The scene is perhaps suggested by the Vandal sack of Rome in 455. On the other hand, a detail in the lower right of "The Consummation of Empire" shows two children fighting, one clad in red and the other in green—the colors of banners of the two contending forces in "Destruction," which thus might depict a foreshadowed civil war.
Connor Foster
The fifth painting, Desolation, shows the results, decades later. We view the remains of the city in the livid light of a dying day. The landscape has begun to return to wilderness, and no humans are to be seen; but the remnants of their architecture emerge from beneath a mantle of trees, ivy, and other overgrowth. The broken stumps of the pharoses loom in the background. The arches of the shattered bridge, and the columns of the temple are still visible; a single column looms in the foreground, now a nesting place for birds. The sunrise of the first painting is mirrored here by a moonrise, a pale light reflecting in the ruin-choked river while the standing pillar reflects the last rays of sunset. This gloomy picture suggests how all empires could be after their fall. It is a harsh possible future in which humanity has been destroyed by its own hand.
This cycle reflects Cole's pessimism, and is often seen as a commentary on Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. (Note, for instance, the military hero at the centre of "Consummation.")[11] However, some Democrats had a different theory of the course of empire. They saw not a spiral or cycle but a continuing upward trajectory. Levi Woodbury, a Democrat and a justice of the United States Supreme Court, for instance, responded to Cole by saying that there would be no destruction in the United States.[12]
Michael Nelson
it´s all so tiresome
2020s welfare states go to total bankrupcy or making retirement age 85.
Leo Sanders
Thx m8, pretty interesting
Wyatt Peterson
cool stuff, user. Now I want to buy these and put up in my future home
Isaac Smith
I also believe that the US couldn't possibly get as hedonous as Rome got. So I wonder how the US will actually signal its decline and what that would mean. Any thoughts?
Jacob Morgan
The pendulum turned against the west in 1913 in sarajevo.
We are just noticing now but it´s worse than what any newfag can even imagine , gif related.
Jonathan Davis
Same things than rome
>Abolition of draft
>Derregulation of citzenship requeriments
>Collapse of social norms
>Extreme political propaganda
>Overexpansion without meaning
>Centralization of power
The us still has time , europe and latin america are fucked.
The us was saved by the electoral college which was designed specifically to prevent what happened to rome by descentralizing voting power and giving more power to rural people to prevent welfare states of taxing the countryside to hell to keep the gibs flowing.
Sadly with the petrodollar the gibs grew anyway but the us still can fight the decay.
Jackson Williams
thank God, Jesus 2.0 when???
Evan Perry
I believe the Antichrist will be a Jew, but that's a topic for another day.
Samuel Phillips
This. 2000 year anniversary of the crucifixion coming up in the next 10 years or so.
Christian Collins
Molymeme did a huge video on this. Rome fell the same way we are: importing masses of foreigners and non-whites into their country in order to prop up an unsustainable system that had grown corrupt and too lavish. Remind you of anything?
Tyler Stewart
Antichrist has to come first before Jesus Christ comes.
However, in order for the Antichrist to come on the scene, there needs to be a global government. The (((forces of evil))) that are setting up the global government are the same group of people that are trying to push all this progressive, no free-speech, judeo-communist, anti-christian bullshit.
Unfortunately, we're going to lose the battle against the Jews, but we'll eventually win the war with Jesus as our savior.
Xavier Thompson
>Derregulation of citzenship requeriments
Hmmm Rome was built by foreigners for foreigners. They were happy to take anyone in. They had to fight the Gauls, who were very literally barbarian. I don't see a parallel to the US much there, maybe with Muslim immigration. The immigration crisis in EU is its own level of wtf. As far as I know Rome wasn't importing many migrants back then, but I don't know a lot about Rome. I read Gibbon who doesn't explain what the Empire was like but its leaders.
>Collapse of social norms
Constantine moved the capitol because Rome could not be governed. It was extremely hedonous but they were also absolutely mad. Not quite there with America and it seems most of Europe has a level head. The only threat of this would come from the progressive left and those who promote murder for their political enemies. And of course Muslims, who will revolt when they hit critical mass.
Everything else can't really say much on.
Henry Collins
Shitskins will be the destruction of our country shitskins don't . believe in free speech nor in right for self preservation once they take power it will be the end.
Angel Jones
shitskins don't believe in free speech or free ideals and they breed like rabbits once they take over it will be over they will change things according to their shitskin psychology and we will all go to shit
Justin Brooks
>women
Speaking of which...
Ryder Cook
Angel Walker
Damn. Were the ruling class also involved in mystery religions as well?
Brandon Richardson
This.
Luke Hall
what book is this? looks quite interesting
Aiden Long
"Life in Ancient Rome" by F.R. Cowell
Hudson Smith
read the assemblywomen by Aristophanes
Lucas Brooks
Oh shit I have this lying around somewhere. Short read but never finished it.
Nathan Lee
i'm already aware of it, I don't attribute any meaning to a comedy about women running things (although it's an interesting insight into contemporary thought of women), and that's not the answer to my question
Ryder Flores
Makes me fear for my 401k and Individual Retirement Account. What does this collapse mean for all my savings? I worked hard; I don't need communists ruining everything.
Jose Garcia
Your pension IS the communism.
Anthony Lee
your savings shouldn't only be in meme stocks; make sure you have land (wealth), a way to survive on it (food, water) and the means to protect it (friends, guns, ammo, supplies).
Cooper Long
It repeats itself because the greys tricks only work a certain way
Jaxson Lewis
ok geez I was just trying to add something interesting too no need to be a fag about it
Aaron Jenkins
>The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.
Now that sounds familiar.
Matthew Ortiz
>Hmmm Rome was built by foreigners for foreigners.
No , rome had vassals states but the military and government had strict citzenship requeriments at least when they were gaining momentum and expanding.
>Constantine moved the capitol because Rome could not be governed.
Diocletian was already governing from byzantium because once the welfare state collapsed inflation got out of control and barrack emperors emerged due to the collapse of trade routes and capitalism.
Why have loyalty to a government that pay you in shitcoins, better to have loyalty to your local general.
So he divided the power in provinces but even that was not enough as constantine won power after his death on a civil war.
Constantine was noticing the trend and adopted christinaity as a way to shill submission to the empire , the modern christian bible was literally writen in constantinople during this time to use it as a propaganda layer above the military.
The pagans however resisted this shit because they noticied that constantine was only adding another layer to keep the welfare state working.
This is why rome fell , after that there was no going back , the state could never be made smaller only bigger and eventually even the romans hated the roman state , venice literally was founded by roman merchants that decided to go full ancap in a swamp and tell the world to get the fuck out.
Jack Garcia
Agustus was literally a pol autist trying to keep the rotten structure working.
Carter Morgan
Time goes by faster because we are much more technologically advanced than rome.
Think of the cold war, which is comparable to the punic wars. In ancient rome the punic wars lasted like 200 years and the cold war was about 50.
So by that logic we will collapse 4 times as fast if not faster than rome did
Landon Bennett
> strict citzenship requeriments
When they were first expanding yes but once they were able to go and conquer places like Africa they just asked for the area to pay dues to the empire, that's it. So I guess it is actually a degradation of societal norms and standards then.
>The pagans
I don't think the Pagans were nearly as politically inclined as you imply, I think it really was just a matter between traditional gods vs Jesus and they didn't hesitate to persecute Christians just because they were Christians.
>the welfare state
I honestly had no idea that Rome was at this state by then. Damnit I need to find some books about the state of the empire rather than its emperors during the decline.
Gavin Stewart
Think of general society too.
Especially places like California.
California went to heaven on earth to Babylon in half a decade.
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Jayden Davis
What the fuck does that mean
"significant figures" as determined by who?
Justin Walker
Another memer who thinks the Dark Ages were actually dark
Hudson Parker
here you see an uncited graph. ignore the poster, because his mother preferred jack daniels over protein shakes during pregnancy
Lincoln Green
how do we break the cycle?
Brayden Perry
We need to get back to God.
Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Aiden Young
"We" are just along for the ride.
David Kelly
You dont, thats like saying how do you stop winter from coming, how do you stop humans from aging.
David Clark
we can't
have a doggo instead, feel good in this time of numbness and existential dread
Joseph Stewart
Thank you. My golden retriever passed away last month and this made me smile
Ryder Nelson
Stock up on ammunition, learn how to grow your own food, and store it properly. Get some nice property that won't be easy to assail. Get ready to become the petty-king of a city state when the empire collapses.
Grayson Martin
I'm sorry user
Ayden Morales
>I honestly had no idea that Rome was at this state by then. Damnit I need to find some books about the state of the empire rather than its emperors during the decline.
More like a welfare state it was the statecucks , the freebread gibniggers vs everyone else , to the point that the penalty for not paying taxes was death and there were chavez tier price controls.
This caused the total collapse of the trade routes and the economy which is why the legions of the late empire used shit armor.
Nicholas Jenkins
UNIT MOVE OUT!
THIS IS NOW A ROME TOTAL WAR THREAD
Wyatt White
bump
Blake Murphy
>the modern christian bible was literally writen in constantinople during this time to use it as a propaganda layer above the military.
No, it wasn't.
Stop blaming Christianity for Pagan Rome's fuck ups.
Jace James
no
Easton Kelly
What the fuck did I just read
Grayson Wood
Obama is the anti-Christ and the global government already exists - the UN.
Levi Cooper
Gee. Sounds familiar.
This was always going to happen.
>Women demand power and influence
>Women promote racemixing and hedonism
>Women pay the toll
>Society collapses
>Women then look to white men to protect them and rebuild after it's all gone to shit
When will men learn to never allow women power and influence ever again?
Dominic Rivera
Take your money out of the stock market and buy land/property and rare metals like gold and silver. You'll likely never see the money you're putting into retirement accounts at this point because our economy is absolutely going to collapse hard very soon.
Aaron Cruz
Luis Price
It has already happened and it was called Weimar. Now we're gonna get a GLOBAL Weimar for all Western countries and a global reaction to it.
Oliver Wood
Ex-Eastern block citizen here.
Assuming it goes the same way as it went here, expect a combination of high inflation with deposit freeze, and/or forced money exchange. The goal will be to convert old money to new money at around 100:1 rate. If you have $1M in the bank now it will be worth $10K.
Gold, real estate or land, now bitcoin. These things you can trust.
t. my father was a rich man who was robbed this way back in 1990.
Jace Howard
So long as internet archives survive, then one last time.
Chase Rodriguez
Daily reminder that history is completely fabricated and mostly bullshit.
Ryan Jones
your father was a dirty komuch.
Adrian Collins
Were nowhere near as decadent as the Romans. I hate to tell you this but if Rome is the model we have a long, long way to go before things get better.
Hunter Gutierrez
Do you have some more examples of roman decadence?
Carter Murphy
It was socially acceptable for a politician to pay money to fuck a slaves child
Bentley James
We had that in Weimar Berlin
Colton Jackson
Or maybe not
Robert Young
>America
>Rome
Thomas Johnson
Keep in mind modern technology has sped up civilization decadence to unprecedented levels. We do not know how exactly things will work out, because we can't compare it to anything before us. In the late Roman Empire information traveled up to 320 km a day and the overall impact of life changing events was a lot slower compared to today for the average citizen.