The death of the Left

Is there any way for us honest socialists to survive the current century? The Left has become about faggotry, """gender""", ANTIFA, pronouns, corporate bootlicking and fascist methods (rioting for the sake of rioting, attacking honest working class families). How do we stop the dehumanizing "progress" movement and put the focus on freedom, camaraderie, worker rights and common decency?

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But thats what the left always was, and is. Leftists are control freaks

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>build ideology on hating anything that is decent
>become a mob of violent fags and degenerates
wow what a shock

>advocates for genocide and ethnic cleansing
>"hitler did nothing wrong"
>we ought to make "degeneracy" illegal
>immigration should be controlled
>"leftists are control freaks"

this is called projection

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Honestly, I have read a few manifesto s and by far his made the most sense.

>advocates for genocide of whites
>"Jews did nothing wrong"
>"we ought to make free speech illegal"
>"we should force countries to let in everyone even if the population does not want it"
>if you disagree I will tell on you and get you fired
Yep sound like control freaks to me

>genocide of whites
nice meme. absolutely nobody is oppressing white people you fucking victim-complex snowflake.

been in this board 10 years. I have always been a leftist, but Jow Forums makes sense sometimes. Libtards are pure cancer and subvert revolutionary movenents from inside. Worse yet is people who do not realize that communism does not fucking work, and anarchy evolves. The left is dying because it generally does not represent anyone anymore and people are going full retard.
The only true left leaning parties I have seen want to support small local businesses and make the government small but efficient by making the citizens have more to say and to do. It works because it splits the country into small communities, just as humans are supposed to live, but keeping the big picture in mind. The problem? Commies want their bloody revolution so they can take over and start their power fantasy based on soulless materialism.

Nice argument
Eat shit faggot

>honest socialists
lmao

Even the spaniard gets it.

>please argue my non-argument with a real argument
>sophomoric ad hominid attack
sounds like I've struck a nerve. keep blaming minorities for your shortcomings though it's REAL funny to watch

Genocide doesn't mean oppression you fucking leaf. It's the act of destroying a race, nation, or tribe in whole or in part by:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Reminder no matter how hard you try your autistic shit will always look retarded because you are full of shit

literally none of those things have ever happened to white people with the exception of ashkenazis.

honestly the future looks pretty grim
the elite is constantly flooding people with distractions (trannies, social justice, other bullshit) / anti-socialist propaganda (just think of all the "real communism" arguments out there)

You expect people to believe this shit?
You do realize that telling obvious lies makes you look bad right?

Headshot

you could always show me a single example of whites being genocided
>impossible mode: nothing that whites are doing to themselves i.e. opioids or porn

Left is dead, babe. Left's dead

>honest socialists
I suppose you'd have to explain to everybody what one of those is. There used to be like Sweden back when it was still all Swedish, but I don't think they're being very honest about it these days.

Open borders foisted upon every white country and then there are plenty historical instances.

In a free market "workers" are the people that are the type of people that are only capable of being the "worker" type. The people that can run businesses are the ones that give workers jobs, which is what the workers beg for. All this comes at a massive risk to the business owners, who will mostly fail and lose a massive amount of money and time.

>Jews are white
Kys
Whites are becoming minorities in their own homelands thanks to mass immigration and low birthrates. The UNs new Global compact for migration is literally genocide by their own definition.

It's called permanent revolution. Get used to it.

>open borders is killing white people
this is a joke right. again, you've failed to provide an example of something that whites didn't do to themselves. nobody is forcing you to dilute your genes by mating with immigrants.

youre either a naive retard or a kike

Hi Friend!
When you're looking through history, you might be confused if you carry the relatively recent notion of a contiguous white race with you. If you do so, you might find yourself wondering "why didn't the Irish and British just get along and stop oppressing themselves?" or "why did the turkish empire commit genocide against the Armenians? I am confused because they were both white"
This is because for much of history, most people didn't get along well with foreigners! In many cases, those foreigners even had the same coloured skin!
But don't worry, instead of trying to make people prove that the white race existed as a concept in history (and that whites were then subject to genoicde by another group of people arbitrarily excluded from this classification), you can challenge people to define whiteness and prove any historic foundation for this concept!

>this is a joke right
the only joke I see here is you
>nobody is forcing you to dilute your genes by mating with immigrant
Immigration is never popular and exists due to pressure from interests groups and media. Nobody has ever voted for more immigration, and you are not allowed to protest it on valid grounds because in most countries such thing is a crime.

distinct lack of arguments in this post, moving along.

Jow Forums is too low-functioning for the most part to resist the urge to group racial distinctions by anything other than an arbitrary concept o whiteness, it's a waste of time and will inevitably become an argument about slavs

>Nobody has ever voted for more immigration
>and you are not allowed to protest it on valid grounds because in most countries such thing is a crime
both of these are categorically false. what did you say earlier about telling blatant lies?

>both of these are categorically false. what did you say earlier about telling blatant lies?
Both are true, telling statistics about immigrants is a hate crime and it will get you silenced one way or another
Now I await your mental gymnastics to tell me how this is not an oppression

>White genocide doesn't exist
>Okay it does but they did it to themselves
Israel wrote the global compact for migration and then opted out of it. They consider white countries a dumping ground for brown people. It's a regular thing for them.

>telling statistics about immigrants is a hate crime
in not a single country in the world is this the case. The only country where racial demographics may not be officially reported on the census is France, in which it is still not a hate crime. That is the closest situation to what you describe. Posts like yours are proof that spending all day on Jow Forums is unhealthy

>lies repeatedly and tries to derail an interesting topic
Obvious shilling. Fuck off.

odakle si? ima nas još

>mentalgymnastic.exe
Fail. Its really obvious.

>telling statistics about immigrants is a hate crime
As in rape, crime, terrorism, IQ ect.
Remind me what happened to James Watson when he dared to challenge equality myth
>Posts like yours are proof that spending all day on Jow Forums is unhealthy
Maybe for fat neets like you. Meanwhile I am perfectly fine.

>you are being paid to disagree with my narrative
>how dare you ask anyone to back up their claims with evidence

who needs arguments when you can just scream shill?

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>oppressing

Go to tumblr you retard, that's not what genocide means

JEW DETECTED, INITIATE DESTROY SEQUENCE

>genocide isn't a form of oppression
>words that existed before the left/right political dichotomy are for leftists
still waiting for an argument. when did this board become so impotent?

Honestly, I think it's just natural human inclination to care more about cultural issues. Maybe it's the brainlet thing to do but that's what people will gravitate towards. People who are singularly devoted to economic issues are a minority on both sides. You got people like (((Shapiro))) and lolbertarians on the right and they're very much a minority and mostly hated. And on the left, well I'm not very familiar but I know /leftypol/ and Jason Unruhe are like that, but again they're a tiny minority.

In part I think it comes down to how you see the economic system. For example if you're a full on capicuck you will simply say that pure capitalism will solve all the other problems so there is no need to try to solve them with anything but from an economic angle. On the other hand a right-winger more inclined to prioritizing social issues and seeing the economic system as a tool, will make an argument like Tucker did: If the economic system (or your "ideology") doesn't support the people, then it is useless.

Communism of course works like that even more strongly, as Marx laid out his materialist philosophy that basically said all social issues are rooted in material causes. And thus it's pointless and a distraction to fight those social issues when you should be attacking their root instead. But look at "communism" now, it's pure identity politics, places like r/socialism, the anarkiddies running around the streets, leftist youtubers, they're all just SJWs who wear black (or Lenin caps). That in itself is a disgrace, but it is even more so when you consider OG communism and how strongly anti-identity politics it was.

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As also a leftist, I kinda see the localist model as good for some time, but limited. Because it aplies that everybody must be a comunity helper, and I don't see that as feasible. So I rather central power needs to be in place. I kinda see a better future of the left as being the party of order, not the capitalist order, true democratic elected order. Because you see, if the right didn't have its boogeymen (jews, migrants, muslims...) it literaly could not rise democraticaly elected. So the right needs desorder, it needs to not solve the refugee problem, because without them they would never win an election, etc...

>i have been found out so i turn to a new trick.
We know all of them.
So, tell us why shilling for brown invaders is more important than workers' rights ? Mmm. Why are you derailing the thread if you are not a shill ? Why are you ignoring every fact presented.
Hate speech for example: many countries have laws, such as France, Germany, UK, Sweden, ....
And in many where there is a supposed right to free speech, like the US, your life can be destroyed by hordes of activists on a simple twwneet, with full corporate and justice support, and no hope to have any protection.
So....?

Unreason is a choice, and as long as there is choice - unreason, just like reason, exists.
So don't fret comrade, as long as a drop of your poison exists, the left gasps

Yes, by becoming national socialists

Nazbol gang gang

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There is no way forward, no path to greatness that does not involve the Third Position. We will hang the traitorous capitalist elite right after we hang the communists.

>So, tell us why shilling for brown invaders is more important than workers' rights
I never made such a claim, it is simply your default process as a mental midget reactionary to decide that if you can't argue a point then you will merely decide the other person is your ideological enemy on every single level. I'm willing to bet you also assumed I'm a feminist and pro-choice, because Jow Forums told you those things are bad too.

Don't be a reactionary kids

same thing here
>dissenting opinion detected
>must be a jew

if you want an echochamber go to the_donald

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Does the average person even know that the "third position" is anymore than the "fourth turning?"

He asked for surviving the next century, Nazbols will get the rope as soon as they have been the same they have always been, useful idiots for different masters

POST YOUR PENIS CHUDS

also try to avoid posting facebook memes on Jow Forums as they may be used to dox you.
>the more you know

>new trick : strawman
Failed
>i call you reddit so i have a point.
Fail.
You are really bad at this.

Post nose with timestamp you fucking oven dodger

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>I never made such a claim
Yet you are here defending the system that puts brown invaders before the working class. How interesting, it is almost like you are a shill for status quo
>if you want an echochamber go to the_donald
Go cry to your pillow, on Jow Forums you have freedom to call anyone anything you want. I know that it hurts you to not have ability to report user to your precious mods so you could have him silenced.

>...the less you listen to leaf faggotry
No need to thx me.

>Is there any way for us honest socialists to survive the current century?
No. Your economic theory is a joke so the only thing you have left is this LGBBQ faggotry and immigration. Capitalism fixed world poverty not communism.

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>Is there any way for us honest socialists to survive the current century?
The economic structure has changed a lot. There aren't enough farmers and workers anymore to make for a big political movement. Socialists today are too tangled up in these old images of economies and class warfare. For the most part the classes have become very dissolved. There are workers who are better off and more "bourgeous" than some spoilt child of a lawyer or a teacher.

But the fundamental cause for the rise of socialism is still there and it's in fact very alive. Income inequality and wealth inequality have risen steadily for the last 30 or 40 years. There are lots of bullshit jobs where you can get fired at will. Many people live quite a precarious life. It's just that we have so many amenities and we are so atomized today that it's much, much harder to organized a closed front with those individuals. Also the lower income workers are in many western countries made up of a million different cultures and languages. They rather keep to themselves than meet with people who they don't understand. Or they do it like in Britain where they are piece by piece overtaking constituencies with Paki representatives who pursue particular ethnic interests.

I'm not a socialist but when I read history of the past 150 years I have to give them some credit. They tackled some real problems, organized and proposed real solutions, showed the right amount of flexibility and sense for reality and overall helped our societies to become more cohesive (except for Britain).

It's also called national SOCIALISM, you retarded LEAF.

Just lie down and die. "Leftists" are just power hungry shitstains who hate seeing people be free.

Whatcha doin rabbi

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>has not presented a single argument thusfar
>insists that I must argue his non-arguments with arguments
>y-your a shill
you are objectively more inept at arguing than the vast majority of the board and that's saying something

you first. thanks for not posting another fb meme though lol

>Yet you are here defending the system
>questioning my narrative is defending my enemy
false dichotomies are like quicksand for retards. stop squirming, you'll be okay.

>y-your a shill!! CIA shill! mossad shareblue CTR kike!! stop asking me to prove my narrative!

for a lot that complains about logical fallacies they sure do feature heavily in your rhetoric

>capitalism fixed world poverty
Cucked and bluepilled, cmon finland, you are better than that

SEETHING
Hilarious.

>questioning my narrative is defending my enemy
Yet you don't question it, you throw it out without considering it and then adopt the narrative of your "enemy" lel

very low quality post. I don't know if you were aware of this or not but the point of an argument is not to be the loudest retard with the last word, although I'm sure you will continue replying in meme-format

No, I asked you for proof, of which you could provide none, so you sperged out and decided that I am probably a leftist who doesn;t belong here, despite saying how the virtue of Jow Forums is freedom of speech, yet you find yourself looking for a downvote button right now.

the last part of your sentence doesn't semantically make sense, please remember this is an english website

Stop embarrasing us you cock. You and your attitude have done enough damage kiking the hell out of this place.

>No, I asked you for proof, of which you could provide none
Only in your mind
>doesn;t
remember this is an English website
>despite saying how the virtue of Jow Forums is freedom of speech, yet you find yourself looking for a downvote button right now.
lel nice projection, sorry that no one here buys your shit. Must be real bad on you

The point of an arguments is to make points. Not writing walls of text of literal pilpul, strawman and elaborate ad homs, while dodging every question, which is what you do since the beginning.
You are not the first shill, and not the last. And you fail like all of them did so far.

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The only true liberal government in Canada federally is the Conservative Party of Canada. Checked.

So you just proved that whites are the most diverse in-group population on the planet and every other group is homogenous garbage. Thanks faggot!

if the average poster wasn't this stupid then I wouldn't feel obligated to highlight their sheer retardation. being a right wing NPC is still being an NPC, and the funniest part is most of these memelords are intellectually incapable of forming an effective argument so the natural defense mechanism is insist everyone else is a paid shill.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand any of this because you're a stupid leaf right

So if no white ethnicity was ever genocided I guess Anatolia is still Greek. Someone should let Turkey know they aren't a real country.
>Whites were never oppressed
>Meanwhile in a Barbary slave ship

Funny the only retard I see here is you

>no u
still unable to resist the urge to get that last word in eh

I'm glad you agree with me that "whites" don't exist in any tangible sense. Stay safe, friend! :)

>i am smart you are dumb
Its not a valid point.

still unable to make coherent counter argument?

I didn't realize that greeks were white again, excuse me I have trouble with the rapid goal post shifting. are ukranians white again too is that going to wait until someone mentions the holodomor

the fact that you will continue to miss the actual point I am making proves the point I am making. how frustrating for you. :(

You never made one in the first place, How can I counter something that doesn't exist?

I'm pretty sure at this point you both just don't like me

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Define "historical concept" upside down kike. There's been a concept of a unified white race in America since the beginning, although admittedly not all European groups were considered part of it at all times. Just because a thousand years ago there wasn't a since of unity across Europe doesn't mean that the 'white race' hasn't existed for several hundred years at this point. Shockingly, it came into being around the time Europeans had large scale contact with non white groups. A mystery for the ages I'm sure.

>I didn't realize that greeks were white again, excuse me I have trouble with the rapid goal post shifting. are ukranians white again too is that going to wait until someone mentions the holodomor
Kill yourself goalpost moving kike.

>You never made one in the first place, How can I counter something that doesn't exist?
Well thanks for admitting that you are just full of shit, but I already knew that

> i am on point and therefore smart, u not
Kek

>n-no u
tiresome

>If I accuse you of doing what I'm doing then you can't point out I'm doing it.
Sad!

>n-no u
tiresome

Third way mixed economy (without any niggers) is the way to go.

>y-you did it first! no fair!!

are these arguments? doesn't look like it.

Lol. The midterms would suggest otherwise you clown.

>Show me whites being oppressed
>T-those aren't white people
>Y-you're moving goalposts
Tell me more faggot.

Is America in the fourth turning now?

Stay pissy pol.

So by white race you mean white Americans? Oh clearly not, since we go straight back to Europe. So Europe apparently did think they were all white for hundreds of years before that. Specifically considering themselves kinsmen against the coloured people that they discovered existed?
While you're doing a deep dive into ancient history, could you explain to me why the Irish weren't considered white in the 1800s (well after Europe knew black people existed)? While you're at it, have a look at how similar all this rhetoric is to the very same criticisms levelled at them as they emigrated to the US?

so greeks are white? is there a consensus on this because it seems to be a point of contention even just on this board

No. It's kind of defying previous attempts at modeling.

Socialism is dead. It has been completely taken over by neolibs.

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Like anyone gives a shit about pols definition of whiteness. They’re so shit on agreeing on anything they can’t organize.