I know that (((solar energy))) isn’t the magical solution with zero downsides that it’s hyped up to be...

Rooftops are unused in Europe.

Water?

This includes production costs, or burned oil in transport refining and manufacturing. This will improve as new dopants or type are developed.

There is a type of solar panel with cadmium, but the rest (15 types or so) do not contain it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_telluride_photovoltaics

It's liberal bullshit. The environment is gay anyway and the goal of the liberal is to save the gay environment at the expense of our great oil companies who actually care about the people and provide jobs with fair pay and give to charity and pay their fair share of taxes. Only gay faggots care about the gay environment and man made climate change has been happening since the big boom.

I really wish it would be efficient and efficient at any weather. Getting independent from any electric company would be a dream come true.

>It's liberal bullshit.
Texas switched to it at a rate higher than California's. With no gubernent involved, all private enterprise.

How do you obtain the materials to create solar panels? How do you get the materials in order to transport the electricity produced? Is Solar really all that much better or is it just a reorganization of energy?

there is no downside, putting solar panels on your roof will even make you money, just do it

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Roof gives you very little usable space.
Fixed angle, small area for most houses.
Only good use of home solar energy is heating up water.
This works remarkably well but needs specialised system.
I would defo install one when building new home, on old ones only in some cases.
You don't use gas to heat your water through whole summer, everything else is a meme

yes, water. Solar can be used not only with photovolatic cells, but with CSP (concentrated solar power) where the reflected solar light heats up a central water boiler and the steam produced spins a turbine. Guess that's what he means

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And a new liberal shill gaslight cooypasta is born.

>How do you obtain the materials to create solar panels?

You need glass, silicon, aluminium maybe some copper for conduction. That's it. All of this is common. For transporting electricity you also need copper or aluminium and some plastics for insulation.

This is currently the only viable method of solar power production
The only downside is that you are minutely accelerating the water loss of the planet.
Some hydrogen is lost.
Oh yeah.
The ocean levels are not rising they are falling.
Haven't done all of the math yet, but Earth is losing water to space.
It will one day look like Mars

It's fucking ugly.
I know you guys are into wooden houses and macmansions, but that's a disgusting sight.

Is the Tesla solar-roof tiles a meme, or should I consider buying them? I was thinking about combining them with a powerwall or two as a souped up UPS for my house.

>mfw I realize we're desperately trying to go to Mars, to steal it's frozen water

>(((solar)))
The sun is now a Jewish plot.

Elementry my Dear Watson

And you realize the amount of energy to obtain these materials and manufacture them vs. what they will produce in electricity will be most likely a very lopsided ratio. It's insanely inefficient as far as the energy output vs what has to go into producing it. Shit primary energy source, come back with a different one.

UK is actually the worst place for solar power. But you got wind.

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Its the future

Based Belarus has no people whatsoever too, very low population density. Probably any actual solar farms might be placed there, and in parts of Poland.

as a ee i hate the solar panel hype/scam. they are not the best solution for our endgame.
silicium wafers needs immense energy to get created. they also have a small lifespan compared to other alternatives. their effectivness is only at around 20%. they create dc 20-40 volts and to transform that to 230 volts ac you lose another portion of energy. also the devices to transform from dc to ac get wasted all the time because they are like switches that make 50+ operations per second. therefore they are broken after some time for sure. best thing to create ac is a spinning generator like we use for turbines in water or for wind. they create ac without the need to transform them, therefor itis the best solution. to use the sun as a energy source we could make big sunparks that create watherstteam and this spins a asynchronic motor. but the scamers try to sell us silicium because it is only sand and everybody can build it on the roof. it is a horrible solution for our endgame and it won't be it. it is just a consurmerism scam.

So you're saying it isn't? Good goy.

*blocks your electricity*

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There are not enough rare earth materials to scale green energy up to be a adequate replacement for hydrocarbons.

Also global dimming. The pollution from burning hydrocarbons while adding to co2 also puts particulate matter in the air that reflects a decent amount of solar radiation. Without pollution global average temperatures will rise about one degree c very quick.

useless solution. you need a room full of batteries if you want a backup ups plan for your household. they need cooling all the time. if you want to be green and save some money use solar energy for heating your water. thats a great option and you will sag
ve a lot of money. transforming it into current is a waste of ressources for private use

you are right, that's the exact same impression I have after taking a course on photovoltaics
t. electrical engineer post-grad

To earn back this energy you need about 2 years in an unfortunate place like Germany, UK or Alaska. In a good place like Texas it's not even a year. Modern solar panels are cheap and efficient.

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Manufacturing solar panels is extremely energy intensive, which would be fine if they lasted long enough to make up for it, but the fuckers are fragile as shit.
Efficiency also suffers massively depending where you put them. In the middle of a desert is fine, but our government subsidises people to put them on their roofs, despite the paltry sun we get, and pretend they're helping.

What about carbon solar cells? They're inefficient, but cheap. And they don't require any rare earth minerals. Just cover some desert with the fucking things.

That is literally not enough to keep your house running even if the whole rooftop is covered. Not to mention the costs of such endeavor, the need to replace it all each ten years AND if you produce electricity in any fashion, you need to be registered as an energy producing private company and you will be taxed to absolute shit.

So it has pretty limited uses...thanks man.

You don’t file as a separate corporate entity you mouth breathing retard and they give you tax credits in a lot of states here

actually it means it works everywhere and is very useful even in an not-so-sunny place

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True, but it varies greatly between states.

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Here we see the sustainable minig programms of rare earths. Lukily there isn't a river near that one or everything would be spilled right in there.
Just research how Chinas mining practice is locking like.
Fucking uranium mines are healthier then being near one of those.

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Nothing you say is true.

They have a huge potential but still need further reseacher on materials that they are made of. Persistant photoconductivity is one of the way s to effectivly incrise their life span.

However, biggest downside is definitely byproducts such as huge amount of CO2 while manufacturing them.

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>if there are clouds, there's no daylight

I don't care. I will get them as soon as possible.
Time to end the HEP / RWE / whatever Jew

PPC can also incrise general effectivness since it can give you electricity even when there is no Sun. Also, if we manage to invent some awesome metal composites we could even produce photoconductivity at the visible spectre of light.

They are still fairly expensive and ineffective. We at the Institute of Ruđer Bošković are currently researching them to create better ones.

Chinese long play. Only sustainable through dumb gaijin who think that Al Gore is a prophet.

>e3dc.com
It's hilarious how Germans now use 'von konservativen' as a bad word unironically.

solar panels you buy lose efficiency over time and solar panels you don't buy have higher and higher efficiency to begin with and a lower price

konservativ means something different in German than conservative for an American.
It has no political meaning in that context and is a neutral description of the energy distribution grid.

Yeah, free energy sucks.

Solar has zero emissions fuck face.

My Tesla roof tiles are preordered.

This is actually less efficient than the latest solar cells though.

>im having a hard time coming up with examples of shortcomings.
Trump's former security chief explains it in this interview

youtube.com/watch?v=1Y6Cli2odss

you will never get the energy it took to build the panels back out of them

>That shit fucks up your DNA and DNA of offspring.
not as bad as bromide though

It doesn't work at night or when it's cloudy unless you launch it into space. The efficiency right now is pretty garbage and they still cost more than traditional energy sources. Maintaining solar power plants is fucking expensive because you have to do maintenance/replacement on 9001+ individual solar panels. They're often made from toxic shit. Solar panels are the same color as niggers. You have to be able to store the energy somewhere, which is also fucking expensive.

Maybe eventually solar won't suck balls, but that will be decades from now.

>researching them to create better ones
Be careful though, if you develop something super-efficient, THEY will get you
Remember that Aussie guy who made a water-powered engine? Dead

>solar panels
>advertised to combat global warming
>decrease albedo of earth surface
>literary heating earth through solar radiation

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The solar in your country actually puts more carbon in the atmosphere than it saves. But that doesn’t mean it’s not good in sunny areas like Texas.

The downsides are the manufacturing and disposal of pannels. Lots of nasty heavy metals. Managing Solar panel waste (ie what to do with broken, old, expired pannels) is becoming a major environmental problem.

Bullshit just like chinese-ion battery and electric cars and wind miles.

It does coast much more to the taxes payer or the investissor no matter who than a nuclear central.

Thoses shit aren't made in europe , in best case they are assembled in.
so no job for us.
they get rekt after 10 years or a bit more even if they are warranty 30.
You can barely except 40% of the max power they do annouce annual.
when it's to hot it doesn't work full rendement , neither when it's to cold.

The redpill is all these bullshit are kikes trap to consumerism.

I hope Cadarache fusion nuclear central will be ready soon.

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The biggest problem with solar is that the powers at be are trying to combine it with other green energy solutions like electric cars and energy conservation plans.

Most energy conservation plans render cheaper rates at night during "off peak" hours, and most states that implore solar do not have any battery backup established yet. This in turn causes those who virtue signal about the environment to cause more harm in that they either need to further pollute the environment in the manufacture of batteries, or by using fuel produced energy to charge their "zero emissions"cars.

I deal with this almost every day. Most posh liberals are so happy with themselves when they buy a new fully electric car, but then while in installing their new in home charger get hit with a big shit ball of realization when I explain to them they are charging their "zero emissions" car off coal power since your rooftop full of undersized leased solar panels don't do shit at night.

Also solar is only a viable option in some areas. Most areas with liberals don't get enough sun to justify the cost nor the production pollution.

Solar panels can be had on eBay for 100-200 dollars. Think again. A grid tied system can be put up for maybe 5k and that's an overestimate you would be an idiot not to purchase them if you are a homeowner

Never got why we aren't funding algae
>Makes oxygen
>Requires CO2 fertilizer and light
>Byproducts can be used to feed livestock

In the US they are overpriced. However, as someone who works in the industry, I would say the biggest downside is joy the technology but the government schemes design to subsidise them. As with all things, it’s been co opted to bring in more tax dollars. In Australia, energy providers are required to fund part of every system installed to offset the total cost. Which of course means renters pay for the increase in electricity costs and the effectiveness of solar for homeowners is decreased. I’m sure the government is making money off this scheme as well. The technology itself however is great, obviously not a cure all but it will save you money and take power out of oil and coal oligarchs, the same people who run your federal reserve.

The Real redpilled is we Always had natural solar panels producing oxygen and biomass. Unfortunately we are so dumb we cut off most of them to Make room for concrete and nowadays solar panels. (They) try to push us on an artificial ecosystem doomed to fail and to leave only machines alive.

fusion energy will be the future. high energy output with unlimited fuel like seawater.

Independent? No dependant still but now on solar panels and batteries. Still dependant.

I've got some huge panels on my roof.
On a sunny month I'll get a check from PP&L because I produced more energy than I consumed.

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then you change them in ten years before to hit the ROI ? and what the point to paid such huge electricity bills and huge taxes if they do not maintenant their own park anymore ?

I can understand for someone that want to be on himself out of the grid as you mutt said.

But then even with gels battery and not chinese ion one you have to disproportionate your battery storage from 200%+ from what you need basicaly , because if you do not your battery will not live for long if you pull the battery up 50% of its Amperage.
That being said don't except much more 6-7 years.
That place your ROI for myself UP 12 years with doing myself the whole installation.
Guess how many time your need if you pay a compagny to do it at your place .. i'd say 40 year minimal.

Again the electric kw/h isn't really cheap neither expensive so far there . it's even cheaper for the mutt and canadian.
My grand dad and my dad payed for the nuclear we do have today , i don't exceptd to get everyting privatised. with no state price control on the electricity and no maintenance on the grid.
We all know how it finish , and you get back to dark to get richer a handfull of kikes.
So nope it's not an alternative . i'm not going to paid to get fatter the walstreet kikes and their actionary.

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