Young men have suicide as their most common cause of death

>young men have suicide as their most common cause of death
>young men pick up guns and shoot up place
>young men don't get degrees and become deadbeats
>young men have some of the highest depression incidences among all demographics
>young men want to kill women because they don't get their dick wet

Literally what more needs to happen for society at large to recognize young males are in a pretty shitty spot? And how can we help them stop being autistic and become useful and happy members of society?

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>T H O U G H T S & P R A Y E R S

Stop telling them they're rapists
Stop telling them they're racists
Stop playing women on pedestals
Stop giving free college to everybody but young white males
It is Feminism that has emasculated men and destroyed our society
What more rights are they fighting for? They have everything men have but now they want more for some reason despite men still working the low end labour jobs so women can make 60k a year sitting in an office talking on the phone all day. This isn't a "fix men" problem. It's a "fix everyone" problem because it is everything but men that are destroying our society

Stop giving women free shit and pushing men aside to do so!

They are trying to push aside the top in order to elevate the bottom

I don't know which is the solution but it's not losing all the advances women for sure.

No fuck you. Our societies flourished and expanded when women were in the house where they belong. Their bleeding hearts have tainted politics with this insufferable "LET'S TAKE IN ALL THE REFUGEES AND FUCK OUR OWN PEOPLE" mentality. Our forefathers knew that which is why women were always kept out of important decision making.
>allow women to make important decisions and be apart of government
>"WHOA WHY IS THE WORLD SHIT NOW??"

So... anyway, nice replies here...
I think the problem is that the young man has typically been in a place of power and now everyone's just in this sort of murky pool of 'people who are there.' You know, like... great hurdles have already been over come. For a lot of people, being overwhelmingly average but being told you aren't/shouldn't be.... it sucks and wears you down, you know?

young male here
I'm pretty sure I turned out bad because I was given too lax of an upbringing
I should've grown up hating my parents, not myself

Stop being so fucking antagonistic. Women and men having good lives is not zero sum.

Well taking the very idea of the "straight white male" and throwing it under the fucking bus probably doesn't help. Look at the demographics all these school shooters and incels have. They ain't colored and they ain't gay. A good portion of them know they are discriminated and attacked and find death their only solace. Others take their anger and frustration out on their communities. Alas this is only a symptom of a societal disease that'll take at least a decade to change form. For the foreseeable future males, especially straight white ones, will have to accept being demonized.

Government mandatory sex bots, emotional intelligence courses in middle school; also feminism, but, like, for men, or at the very least reshape it into equality, so men stop being demonized and afraid of having their whole lives fucked over just because some tumbrlinas yelled rape at them only because they took the last twinkie from the vending machine. And free pizza.

There. Society solved.

Power is a stretch.

Do you really think women are happier now than they were back in the 60's? Men are unhappy now because we're stuck seeking the attention of self absorbed cunts who would be happier with a husband and kids to look after.

It's because people are slaves to their jobs, to money and material things, it's because we aren't working for the bare necessities like when everyone was farmers, it demasculinizing because you have to rely on overs to make everything for you. We are encouraged to be consumers rather than producers.

Also the repressions of natural loving things like wrestling and play fighting with kids or anyone for that matter, in general, there's just no release for the inner child within all of us.

For advice on how to make it beer, I'd say try to get a job based around the growth of food, our instincts are wired to see that as a reward while an office job our instincts do not value. Or be a beggar/hermit but hopefully voluntarily like Diogenes or a monk.

Taking up a martial art would probably be good too for that release of childlike energy, I used to do it but stopped, I should probably pick it up again.

Advice on how to make it better*

Kaczynski's essay on this is actually rather interesting. Industrial society and it's future if anyone is interested

Jobs.

Literally I'm a single day away from being 30 days jobless. And I've applied and have done follow up calls and nobody is hiring.

If I work full time I need 13$/hr. If I work part-time I need 10/hr + no more than 35 hours a week so I can work side gigs.

But guess what. I can work full time 9.50 expecting to offer customer service to people who don't deserve it, acting like I get paid 20/hr to do it!

Modern life wants us to be disconnected consumers. We are gently pushed away from anything which connects us to our human instincts which aren't compatible with the needs of business and those which are supported are coopted to service business. Our power is in family, community and being self sufficient. Economic interest wants us isolated, a world citizen and dependent. It is weird, our instinct is to provide and support each other, work as a team and to gain satisfaction from each of us fulfilling a purpose and helping another to fulfil their purpose, but we want things to be fair, so we have a transactional nature and a fear that others are taking advantage of the team. So we have money which is used to exploit and control us.

I'm not sure what is going on with identity politics and feminism at the moment, but part of me sees it as further efforts to destabilise communities and push a new world order agenda. So much is utopian, but denies reality.

I don't want to be a world citizen free to sell my labour to the highest bidder across the entire world to meet my needs. I need to feel a connection to my community and to my locality. I don't want to buy things off a faceless website designed to mimic human social interaction, I want to talk to the guy who works the counter and learn about his family, there is human value in this connection, more than the product itself can provide at times.

Without these networks and connections the world feels scary and lonely because your ass would have been toast back in the day without them. It still is if you think in the end corporations and politicians have your best interest at heart.

Fuck all that. While you're busy learning a out Joe blow I'll be saving a bunch of money not doing any of that. Stay small, peasant.

I agree and I would add to it that I think feminism and the identity politics are red herrings to cause division so that people are too caught up seeing evil in each other that they miss the evil of the system and for that matter in ourselves.

The money has no value without a connection to other humans. By itself it cannot do anything for you, it requires other people to work. The value of it is defined entirely by what it can get you. Your perception of how rich or poor you are is based on your surroundings and position within social groups. You get the item sure, but why do you even want or need the item if you are without connections? What do you even want the item for without connections? Don't assume the connections made online and through organisations are benign and won't be used to manipulate you into being a greater consumer. Cheap, but at what cost?

You might ask what is the point in playing a sport if you aren't any good at it? People play sports in local teams because they want to be part of something and they want to compete. Good luck competing as a global citizen, it is enough to make you give up. People do it because they gain a great deal from interacting with others.

If I'm a company I need you to work to buy my goods and services. That is all I care about. I need to buy things, but I feel better when I buy them from a person who is part of my world.

Stay small? You'll get big? What the hell is big anyway? What is small? There is an entire world around me even within the local area, more than I could ever know in my lifetime if I pay attention.

People sell the idea that you need to always be moving somewhere else or seeing something new or experiencing something or life is somehow denied to you, you are missing out, the clock is ticking. It is just using your fear of death, irrelevance and ageing to get you to spend money.

I'd like to say I'm not against any motivation except negative ones. If you want to travel great, but not if you do so because you are afraid of appearing boring.

Technology in general has disconnected us from one another in a really staggering way. No one really communicates anymore or wants to make connections. Conflict is looked at as weak and meaningless and not something that sometimes is neccesary. A lot of men just sit at home on their computers all day when not going to school or maybe going to work for some random company, and that's it. Men deny their instincts to want to go chop down tree's, till a field, build a house, something they can be proud of. We aren't allowed to be champions of our lives like we used to. Women can do modern 'men' jobs but that's because they're so fucking easy when you really think about it. Women could NOT do men's jobs even 50 years ago with any relative success. Everything is disconnected now. Even businesses. Hardly any mom and pops. We're actively trying to destroy history and where we came from. Nearly every problem on this board is that people just won't leave their house lol. But honestly I'm part of that problem too. But we have to toughen up and not worry so much. Just no one has friends anymore. And I think a large part of why we can't lead normal and natural lives is because we can't talk about sin. We live in pagan satanic societies, we've abandoned all decency and live as animals. Not just America but the whole world. And look this isn't anything new but technology has also glorified these animalistic instincts through pornography so readily available through the Internet. Glorify drug use. When I was a kid you couldn't wank it unless you stole a hustler from a 7-11 or your dad's drawer, and then look at it in the woods and then throw it away so you weren't caught. I maybe jacked off like a dozen times from 12-18 just because you didn't have the means to. Now kids have laptops and smartphones at age 9-10 and are told how great and 'natural' porn is when it isn't. Kids at the park who are 10 and 11 y/o are making jokes about Bang Bros. like wth?

At the same time we shouldn't despair. Yeah social media has disconnected everyone from the real world and everyone called its bluff. But just don't have social media and go be joyful in the real world.

This is the eternal cycle
>World shit, kids grow up strong
>Strong adults make world a little less shit for their kids
>Kids grow up without an appreciation of what they have
>Adults throw away all the nice shit
>Kids grow up in shit world
Something like that. I think we're seeing this to an extreme degree because of just how easy computers made life. Now we're dealing with all the difficulties they bring, like easier porn addiction and internet addiction, without any thought as to how fucking useless most of us would be without them. And even if you give it a thought... so what? When it comes down to it, it wouldn't take much to adapt, but you're not any stronger for it. Just less capable now since you're relying on computers.
I feel you, user. I think having it too easy hurt me, too.

People in general are in a shitty spot. Society is. If you want change to happen, do your best to make it happen. Speak out for people who need help with mental illnesses or other issues, create places for people to hang out with their peers where they feel welcome, do your best to be a kind and friendly person to other people. If everyone on Jow Forums did that, or tried their best to do so the world would be a better place for those with depression and other issues.

>Founding fathers frequently exchanged letters with their wives and got input on important matters from them
>A not insignificant amount of policy that was put into place was put into place partly because those women persuaded their husbands to do so
Besides there's been a huge amount of more likely changes to attribute the problems with society other than women gaining freedom.

I think the phrase is bad times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times

Cut this hippy bullshit out right now. Did you fry your brain on LSD or something? Fuck. I'd not buy it from Joe blow because I'd be getting a 30% markup for the honor of knowing him and his family. You can't pay your bills with feelings of community, friend.

And yes, stay small. You continue to show your peasant side.

>amerilard on a meltdown because his whole worldview has just been shattered

I'd be upset but I don't get upset at lesser people. It's just in their nature to be foolish.

*teleports behind you* heh, nothin personnel kid

Sorry friend, I don't watch children's cartoons.

not him but you do sound like your average materialistic "money is literally everything in life" american

No, I just recognize that money allows me to live a good stable life in modern society. Money might not buy happiness but it sure comes close.

Don't even argue with this guy.

100 bucks on the table says his parents make a combined 80k a year or more growing up. And he claimed all his life "he's middle class"

As a young man, you have the lowest value in society and you recognize it yourself.
So the way I see it, it becomes a life-long struggle to get out of that spot but many men just can't take the pressure and the few that become successful, well, they get to enjoy life, but this makes the cycle repeat itself when these successful men take from everyone else.
I'll try a few more years (depending on if my situation gets better) before killing myself.

My parents divorced when I was young, my mom made around 60k a year and incurred a large amount of debt via credit cards and home mortgages in order to make ends meet.

I'll take that hundred bucks now, though. I can apply it to my decades worth of student loans I have left to pay off. Thanks user.

This.
It frustrates me so much.
I had to spend most of my life studying to get any money for my future studies while any girl with one-third of a brain can have first year free in stem. Also it is so much easier to find a job as a female because of muh diversity

People need to recognize the entire current system is all fucked up, need to stop looking for the boogieman that destroyed everything or for the holy promised man or land. After people finally accept that, we might move forward and stop exterminating ourselves.

>>young men have suicide as their most common cause of death
>>young men pick up guns and shoot up place
>>young men don't get degrees and become deadbeats
>>young men have some of the highest depression incidences among all demographics
>>young men want to kill women because they don't get their dick wet


All a minute minority that is much smaller than you think because you spend all your time online.

Anyone who's not a Jow Forums retard is living a normal and healthy life.

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Execute second or third time false rape allegaton claimers, it’ll help a bit I think prevent people from getting fucked over by fake rape allegations of the false accuser can face substantial punishments. I think that will also help less demonize men as rapists if there’s less false accusations.

>healthy

Haha

You're not in a shit spot.
You've had the greatest opportunities society could've ever imagined, just like anyone else living in our time. What you are describing is a problem with people in general being shitty and young men reacting badly. It's on you NOT to react badly, and to look around you and appreciate the good things about your life, and to set an example. Find good strong-minded, well socialized men around you to identify as role models (or on the internet like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Dennis Prager to name a few). If you do this things can get better. Don't focus on a tiny minority of psychopaths and guys who have no idea where their life is going. You are vastly more aware than they are.

End fox, breitbart and Jow Forums so these morons have to actually confront reality instead of being brainwashed by propaganda designed to make them insecure and hateful

>fox, breitbart, Jow Forums
Lol explain the reasoning behind grouping these into the same category. I get the overlap in audience but that's not an excuse. Only one of these places has a significant following of people who worship Hitler.

Umm sorry sweetie but it's 2018 and brainwashing is a microaggression and I'm going to have to put this on Twitter so CNN might pick up a story on it. And no I'm not white you sexist pig I'm jewish

>bad times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times

People want the world to be this simple it isn't.