Devs Dec 21 >Reports that SAA will Preempt Turks by attacking north-East and al-Tanf simultaneously >Trump: "We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency." >All US State Dept. personnel to be evacuated from Syria within 24 hours >US Troops to withdraw within 60-100 days >French and US governments return to stance of keeping Assad in power, but still want "assurances" >Turkey releases information regarding new operational parameters in north-eastern Syria >Talks are being made by the Trump administration to withdraw from Afghanistan >Reports of US forces total withdrawal from Syria, including Al-Tanf >YPG&TFSA continue mobilizing it's forces in north-east Syria >Mattis resign as Defense secretary
It’s a gift to Assad or Erdogan, whichever one can exploit it better
Cooper Carter
Israel will be consumed by the hatred they have wrought against their neighbors. It's their turn to experience their own medicine.
Joshua Baker
Based. Whore is still spamming like always, but it seems like she is not there when nobody gives attention.
James Bennett
Russian in charge, will "keep Iran at bay" so that the US doesn't bust their balls in the future and Kurds are fugged
William Johnson
>What does US pulling out mean for Syria and the region? Christmas gift from Jesus, that's what it means.
Robert Kelly
Pray for Trump and his family.
Jose Martinez
Someone with brown skin is going to cut your Shylock nose off.
Aiden Howard
The United States’ departure will leave its Kurdish partners in Syria high and dry. The U.S. has partnered with the SDF over the years to fight against the Islamic State. Since Ankara launched Operation Euphrates Shield in 2016, it has also shielded the Kurdish People’s Protection Units – or YPG, the SDF coalition’s largest member – from an assault by Turkey, which considers the group a terrorist organization. Without a U.S. presence on the ground, Turkey will have free rein to move into the Kurdish-held portions of northern and northeastern Syria.
And Turkey does indeed appear to be preparing to go after the Kurds. For the last week, it has been broadcasting its intention to start a new offensive east of the Euphrates River. It won’t be a small one, either: A spokesperson for Syria’s pro-Turkey rebels claimed Dec. 14 that 15,000 fighters are mobilized for the operation, and a few days later, Turkish newspaper Yeni Safak said that 24,000 troops, including Turkish soldiers, are ready for the fight. If these accounts are accurate, Turkey is planning to commit more of its own soldiers to this new operation than it did to its offensive in Afrin earlier this year. Reports have also surfaced that Turkey is moving tanks and artillery to its border with Syria, albeit west of the Euphrates. According to Washington’s announcement, the Kurds in northeast Syria will have to face this threat on their own.
Although the White House’s announcement reportedly took some U.S. officials by surprise, the timing makes sense. Proclaiming the Islamic State’s defeat will enable Washington to withdraw troops from Syria with something like a victory to show for it. Transnational jihadism has long been the main issue for the United States in Syria. The SDF’s capture of the last major IS stronghold east of the Euphrates demonstrates the success of its efforts against transnational jihadist forces there (apart from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, which Turkey has yet to disband).
Gabriel Parker
That’s not all the U.S. has to gain from the move. Earlier in the Syrian civil war, Washington wanted Turkey to take on a more active role in the conflict. Its hope, of course, was that Ankara would engage in the fight against jihadist organizations like IS. But the Turkish government was reluctant to invade Syria for the purpose of repelling a Sunni group that was weakening the administration of Syrian President Bashar Assad, whom it considered a regional adversary. The YPG, by contrast, is a much more appealing target for Turkey. Once Turkish forces have wrested control of northern and northeastern Syria from the Kurds – and it almost certainly will, given its military superiority – they will establish permanent administrative structures there, as they have in Afrin, to try to create a lasting buffer. Turkey will then take the YPG’s place as the target of IS attacks in the region – another of which reportedly occurred in Raqqa on Wednesday – forcing the country to confront the jihadist group.
The U.S., then, will get what it wanted from Turkey all along – not because Ankara has changed its tune but because its interests once again align with those of Washington. The U.S. withdrawal from the region will pave the way for the offensive Turkey wants to launch against the YPG. Turkey’s offensive, in turn, will pave the way for the more permanent professional military force the United States wants in the region to keep IS at bay.
Jack Miller
On top of that, Turkey’s offensive will further constrain Iranian power in Syria. It is in the interest of the United States to minimize the amount of territory the Assad administration reclaims in Syria. Even if Assad recovers 75 percent of his country, that’s still 25 percent that Tehran won’t have influence over. Were the war to continue as it has been going, Assad would consolidate all the territory held by non-Kurdish rebels, leaving Idlib as the only outlier, before turning his attention to the north and northeast. (Assad had a tacit pact with the Kurds to leave them alone while he dealt with the rest of Syria, but he and his foreign backers knew that at some point he would need to bring the territory they held back under the central government’s control.) By moving into the Kurdish-occupied territory now, Ankara will stop Assad before he has even had a chance to deal with Idlib, where Turkey also has a presence. Iran will still have access to some of its supply routes through southern Syria, though they have been under such strain recently that Tehran has found other ways to get arms and equipment to Hezbollah, including developing weapons in Lebanon.
As it prepares for its offensive east of the Euphrates, Turkey is also busy hashing out a peace plan for Syria with Iran and Russia. The three have agreed on the structure of a constitutional committee that could bring the war to a political end. It would consist of 150 delegates, including 50 representatives from the Assad government and 50 representatives from Syria’s rebel groups. The disposition of the remaining 50 delegates, reserved for “independent” members – in other words, representatives from Turkey, Russia and Iran – is still up in the air. Turkey is trying to gather as many bargaining chips as it can to strengthen its position in the talks, as states often do when negotiating a political compromise in a war. So long as Ankara doesn’t use its eventual presence in northern Syria to undermine Assad’s rule, Moscow probably will be willing to settle for an arrangement in which some territory remains outside the Syrian government’s control.
These other parties’ gain will be the Syrian Kurds’ loss. The U.S. support for Syria’s Kurdish groups was always a tactical alliance, meant to minimize the number of American troops fighting IS on the ground. As that fight winds down, Washington has much less of a strategic rationale for maintaining that support, especially since doing so would jeopardize its relations with Turkey, which now appear to be on the mend after a tumultuous year. The U.S. special representative for Syria engagement seemed to back up the idea that Washington is ending its support for the Kurds, saying in a speech Monday at the Atlantic Council that the U.S. does “not have permanent relations with sub-state entities.” There’s every reason to believe Turkey’s pending offensive will succeed in defeating Kurdish forces after the U.S. withdraws its support. After all, it did so in northwestern Syria with Operation Euphrates Shield in 2016, and again in Afrin with Operation Olive Branch this year.
Jack Phillips
Depending on how quickly U.S. troops pull out of Syria, Turkey may have to delay its invasion. It may also face operational hurdles, as it did during Euphrates Shield, that slow its progress. Then, too, there’s always the possibility, however remote, that Washington and Ankara have reached a private understanding whereby Turkish forces will stop their advance at a certain point, or else the U.S. will resume its support for the YPG. Regardless, the developments in Syria reflect Turkey’s growing role in the Middle East, and the attending expansion of its geographic interests. No longer is Turkey focused on defending its own borders; it is turning its gaze much farther east.
Luke Baker
When you think everything is slow but world change super fast in a moment. Thx God. Being alive is amazing.
Josiah Rogers
>already prays to a kike on a stick whats one more. eh?
Ian Wilson
Impressive length.
Caleb Mitchell
>Being alive is amazing. Yeah, untill you die.
William Ramirez
>Transnational jihadism has long been the main issue for the United States in Syria. lol. I guess if you include the period of several years where we were arming transnational jihadis, that is actually true!
Russia gains: 3rd of Syria all the oilfields most prosperous region in Syria land bridge to Iraq Iran free to do as it wills 26 American bases that will turn Russian 5 American airbases that will turn Russian
USA loses: Influence in middle east Only leverage they had on Russia No influence on Russia Re: Ukraine, missile treaty, other shenanigans they do etc.
USA gains: saving some money appeasing erdogan
But apparently simpletons will tell you that holding leverage over Russia makes you a Neocon.
Quite obvious this order came straight from Putin, they've been screeching for U.S to leave for years.
ethnic minority group in turkey/syria, wants a nation state of their own (kurdistan), US funds/arms them as basically our own little mujahadeen mercenary army in the middle east, upon our withdrawal they will be holocausted by the turks.
whoda thunk something so simple would work? not like it was successful previously multiple times *mwah*
Jaxon Cruz
not mentioned: human lives
Colton Myers
This. The Saudi's and probably even the kikes will have to run and turn to Putin now as well. And the Kurds will get BTFO which will be the final blow to America's reputation in the Middle East since an alliance with them is basically worthless.
Beautiful analysis, greatest ally. Have fun over there.
Mason Ward
Macroni also going to Afghanistan?
Chase Thompson
ISIS is in for a real bad time in Syria now. US special forces now can really go to town on them now that the regular troops are out of the way.
Also I fully expect SAA,Iran,Russia and Iraq to do the "finishing blow" against them.
The kurds are very likely going to strike and deal and figure things out with the SAA since at the end of the day they are still Syrians in Syria even if they are Kurdish. Turkey is going to do a major clean up operation along it's border with Syria(a big reason why US troops are pulled out) and I hope they carefully avoid the SAA pockets in that area to avoid any accidents.
Bringing US troops home out of Syria and Afghanistan is long over due.
As for Israel they should clean up the tunnels, watch Syria get stabilized and figured out(also be in active communication with Russia and even Syria about making sure that after things are stabilized Iran's forces leave the country) and get the R&D of their MIC working on the best missile defense systems in the world.
Hunter Torres
what reputation? tell the Kurds to say hello to osama and saddam for us
Nathan Sanders
>tfw landed date with big tiddy hardware store girl >same day, Mattis resigns and Trump orders withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan >and /sg/ is no longer dead WHAT YEAR IS IT
>when Trump fights jews there's peace between /sg/ and /ptg/
Odd how that works.
Connor Perez
The figures are from NATO and are indicative of troop numbers as of May 2018.
US: 8,475
It's almost 100% if this info is accurate
Gabriel Barnes
Yesterday I finally managed to have a long conversation with a girl from my Uni, we really hit off, finally stopped sperging out Is this the Assad Blessing?
this. Lets hope Ash Ketchum is one of the ones coming home but “she” got her brain rescrambled by a close detonation and now doesn’t wanna be a tranny anymore but just a cute guy! :)
Just please don't start naming your children Donaltramp and having them pose for photo shoots with him for God's sake. we don't need another Tonibler incident.
Mason Hall
It means America loses its strategic position of "head warlord" in the Middle East, and it might not be able to blow up weddings and hospitals and other such war crimes. This is bad, since American influence in the region requires regular application of inhuman terror, to keep ordinary people in line and to create enough terrorists to justify the military-industrial complex.
Also Jews, though knowing the Jews they most likely have a way to weasel their way out of this, and convince America to start another war in a few years.
this is so insane, I shitposted plenty against Trump but how can those people spew more bullshit than Jow Forums
William Wilson
Fucking incredible how liberals are flat out arguing to keep our soldiers in perpetual war for no other reason than to spite Trump. TDS at its absolute best.
thx..gotta really pull myself together and leave now for real, reading those insane takes is too dman amusing
Lucas Jenkins
You may not like it, but this is what peak babyboomer looks like.
Anthony Sanders
whoa shit since when are we at war with Russia
Lucas Ramirez
>Not wasting billions of tax payer money and not letting your own country men be killed in pointless wars is treason against the nation NeoConservatism, not even ONCE
>doesn’t wanna be a tranny anymore but just a cute guy! :) source? unironically big if true
Owen Torres
i personally like trump but he's had some really shitty policies on a lot of things. even if i hand wave his jew love because honestly, with his age he was the first wave of the kike propaganda, he made some bad decisions about mid east, which is what this thread is mainly interested in. but i think he really doesnt know much about the region in general, he wanted to be president to deal with economy, diplomacy was just an extra. flynn was his guy who was knowledgeable on the region and likely would have gotten better results there, and what a funny coincidence he was the first guy instantly taken out
