IQ

I'm familiar with the evidence and arguments about this stuff, but I want to know: To anyone who thinks this stuff is bullshit, why? Society in general seems to abhor any discussion about this stuff and considers it inherently dismissable but I've never seen a thought-out rational argument against it besides "clearly the tests are racist / don't account for income / nutrition / culture" which fall apart immediately on inspection. It seems to be based on a feeling of "It CAN'T be true because if it is, it would be horrible." That's my bias, but I want to know exactly what the best arguments are against it. Anyone got anything good?

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sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016131452.htm
>Recent findings have shown, that variation in total gray and white matter volume of the adult human brain is primarily (70--90%) genetically determined.

>To anyone who thinks this stuff is bullshit, why?
Because "Asian", "White", and "Black" aren't races. Germans have different median IQ than French. Japanese have different IQs than Afghanis.

Fine, then let's account for that and ignore the generalities of the graph and change it to what you're using: Regional ethnic groups. There's still what appears to be clearly hereditary IQ differences there that have extremely high correlation and probably predictive validity with the success of those groups in general. Clearly some people are "better" than others, no?

IQ measures basic cognitive and verbal functions and ignores heavily abstract or creative capacities. It was designed as a test to screen dumbasses and nothing more than that.

>Regional ethnic groups.
Even among these groups there can be a high amount of variation. A race needs eugenics in order to maintain superiority, otherwise the low-iq high-birthrate mouthbreathers will involute it.

Lmao, they literally are

Afghanis and Japanese are both Asian. Would you say their IQs are roughly the same?

>IQ tests ignore creativity
Cool, name something creative niggers have done, macaco

>Even among these groups there can be a high amount of variation.
Of course, there will always be a high amount of variation in things like this. On the graph I posted there's clearly a high amount of variation between each of those curves - what's important is the OVERLAP between them. There's more genetic variation WITHIN chimpanzees and humans than there is BETWEEN them - doesn't mean that chimpanzees still aren't clearly very different and dumb as shit compared to the average human.

Yes but IQ correlates to so much in our society - highest predictor of crime, highest predictor of success in a realively free market, etc.

You have the reading comprehension of a nigger. Congrats.

Also, I think I'm shadowbanned and this is the reason I only see retarded replies like yours.

>not knowing what subraces are

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IQ tests heavily involve pattern recognition (drawing connections between seemingly unrelated data), which is extremely important, even inherent, to creativity.

Those are names of ethnicities, not races. Knowledge of biology has improved since then. You can use haplogroups to better sort out races, even within a country. Finns are more closely related to Siberians than Norwegians. To call them both the "Nordic Race" is retarded.

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>To anyone who thinks this stuff is bullshit, why?
My dad was in Mensa and died miserable and broke. Social skills are the key to personal success, not IQ numbers.

Con men, pimps, drug dealers all have good social skills.

Lmao literally no one says Finns are Nordic. Yeah ethnicities exist but that doesn't mean that some ethnicities aren't part of a greater subrace which itself isn't part of a greater race.

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You mean, factual? James Flynn is the most honest opponent. Look for recent papers by him (scholar.google.com I think). IIRC he just holds out hope that there might be room for it to be malleable.

The rest that I've seen is tap-dancing and epicycles. There was a Jew who debated Jared Taylor and did well, but his explanation was, imo, dance-y. I want to say it was Tim Wise but surely not, maybe, Tim Weisman or something?

>Yeah ethnicities exist but that doesn't mean that some ethnicities aren't part of a greater subrace
Ethnicity is culture. Race is biology. East Germans have a high concentration of R1a, more akin to Slav, but the rest of Germany is largely R1b. Both are very culturally similar, but different biologically.

>My dad was in Mensa and died miserable and broke
>muh 1 anecdote invalidates decades of rigorous research
There will always be outliers. In general, though, people with IQs high enough to be in mensa will lead better lives in every way compared to people who don't, IN GENERAL. Your dad was an exceptional disappointment. Compared to the general population, his peers were not.

I'll tell you one fact that 'scares' me a bit - what were our grandparents' IQs in today's terms? 70 or something awful? So what about African blacks, which are about the same? Maybe with a century of good food and freedom from disease (it takes a toll on your health, development, & brain) they could catch up. But then I think of American blacks, who are even part white, have had that century of good food + good health (better than Africa) and are still way down there, IQ-wise. I guess it's a matter of the actual numbers.

East Germans have more Slavic admixture this is true, but they're more closely related West Germans than they are Slavs.

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> shadow banning
> on Jow Forums
Nothing so passive-aggressive, here. If you're banned they'll tell you. Or was that just bait?

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That's why the plan is to slowly eliminate any observable separation between haplogroups/ethnicities. You get to essentially redefine and affect the identities/genes which are the source of the differences, rather than acknowledge there are differences in the first place. Basically redefining your independent variable to hide the fact there ever was acorrelation.

>can vary up to 30% because of none genetic factors
That's huge.

People focused on IQ have low IQ

R1a and R1b are distinct races. Slavs are R1a. Most of Germany is R1b, except for the ones that border Slavic land. Not only are they racially different, but the R1a Germans are more racially aware and nationalist, and the R1b ones prefer the EU hegemony.

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As someone who teaches 'urban' and 'inner-city' kids, I can tell you that IQ and race is very real. Yes it is compounded by poor parenting, lack of sleep, hygiene, nutrition and a safe environment, but modern schools have overcompensated for all of these shortcomings with a myriad of social programs. The only thing we, the school, can't provide is better parents or better students.

My students, in spite of massive interventions, struggle to grasp basic concepts that their higher IQ counterparts in the suburbs understand easily. This is precisely why you are starting to see SJW's talk about maths being racist.

Now, let's talk about why honesty matters. In our efforts to ensure 'equality', we are massively overfunding students with lower IQ's, who will never excel. It's throwing money away. Money that ought to be going to promoting our gifted, and keeping us competitive with high IQ, collective societies (China, Israel, etc.) The sheer number of people who are dead weight will sink us.

Instead of parity, we should be embracing a work ethic and a strong pride of unskilled or semi-skilled labor, and the honor of a hard day's work well done. This is the only thing my students will ever be capable of doing. And many of them could be doing 'the jobs Americans don't want to do', instead of importing MORE low IQ third-worlders with vastly dissimilar cultures. Additionally we could be promoting 'positive' eugenics in the hopes that, 500 years from now, we could bring their populations up a few points.

Of course nobody will listen to me and I'm just a fucking huwhite male ebil rayciss. But I'm speaking the truth from a place where I see the damage dishonesty is doing. Thanks for reading.

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>This is precisely why you are starting to see SJW's talk about maths being racist.
More hilarious are the ones that think it's "math anxiety" or some shit.

Yeah, No. They are just stupid. Full stop.

There are steppes that prevent easy traffic between western Asian and eastern. They had a harder time of life in eastern (goes the folk explanation).

I've got a few of these ...

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Here is a video you might like
youtube.com/watch?v=ftD0oyfecf0&t=1s

.. you might enjoy an internet personality named 'education realist' -- he's got a twitter account and a lot of writing. His position is like yours, pragmatic, compassionate, but real (are you he?) He's a smart guy.

>To anyone who thinks this stuff is bullshit, why?
Those people are on the left side of the graph, that's why.

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Thanks, I'll check it out. No I'm just an user who loves the ocean stuck in Commiefornia. I got into teaching as an idealist, but the reality has just worn me down. Doesn't mean I hate the kids (well some of them are assholes) but they can't really 'help' being who they are. We just need to not give them false expectations.

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Yeah - he'll be company if nothing else.

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t. bioluminescent afroamerican employed by a rogue gov't agency

why are there so many of these schizos on pol? nobody is out to get you. nobody cares about you

Who cares about IQ when money is all that matters
Smart people are shipped off to psychiatric hospitals because dumb niggers are dumb niggers
I know more white niggers than black niggers

I brought up this subject with my girl a once. She argues with me constantly and never lets things go. She listened and tried to poke some holes in the facts but couldn't at the time. Afterward she told me that she was going to research it and come back to me with some scientific reasoning on why it isn't true.

It was 2014.

This is how these things always go. They assume it isn't true because it CANT be true, because so many horrible things would actually have a grain of truth to them if it were true. So in spite of all the evidence they continue to insist it's wrong, because it HAS to be wrong, and to even consider it is too horrendous for good company. Of COURSE we're all equal! Sure genetics influences certain common phenotypes in races - skin color, body size, frame, athleticism, but inside the skull we're all the same!

Ok, thanks for the explanation. It was a joke, burger.

>high IQ, collective societies (China, Israel, etc.
Israel has a lower avg IQ than the usa.

i have thought about this for a long time

if we can seperate ourselves from them and allow the morocco thots to go get raped and bear their children, we can breed them from the worst of our population into not being niggermonkeys anymore
no guarantees but it is 100% fact that ameriniggers outsmart afroniggers and my only guess is our strong mutt culture

Yeah, absolutely. The beauty of it was how it simply never came up again. She was going to show me with actual research and, in fairness, she's pretty bright. It wouldn't be the first time she looked into a subject and then came back to discuss it again.

Magically, that didn't happen this time. It's almost as though it's 100% true and there's literally no arguing against it.

this is always true

There are several different types of intelligence and IQ only measures certain abstract types of intelligence. Very narrow metric and the value of which varies considerably from culture to culture.

Except in every case that it isn't