ONE IN EIGHT ADULTS ARE ON ANTIDEPRESSANTS

phenibut is nice but it makes me sweat weirdly and sometimes i get headaches from it.
only do it very rarely and maybe .6-.8 grams, it definitely helps for social anxiety though

Any theories on the 3 questions in the original post?

Nothing about modern society reflects what man evolved to deal with. We aren't using technology to better our lives but to create our own prisons

The (((Hyksos))) want to give Whites pills so we lose our psychic connection to God

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Snorting coke could give them an advantage as well. Doesn't mean it's a good idea even if lots of people do it and don't mind whatever the other effects might be.

Technology is more popular and distributed in major cities. Would you say that the 1/8 statistic is mostly due to people living in major cities?

Not all antidepressants are just magical get-happy drugs. Lots of people take them for issues unrelated to "depression." I know that it's used in treating Bruxism, for example.

I'm not trying to justify the usage of antidepressants. I want to understand what kind of people are using antidepressants, and where these kinds of people live. I strongly doubt that antidepressant usage is uniformly distributed across all adult Americans. I think there are more forces at play, and the point of the post was to uncover them.

If you were going to push drugs, would you go out to the sticks or the city? There's more money, demand, and supply in population dense locations. Then it spreads out from there as other locations become relatively attractive markets.

We used to imagine technology would free us.
Robots would do the work while we lived lives of leisure and philosophy.
We still work as much as ever and it is so boring.
Cities are cookie cut wastelands, we have no great values or goals left, our art is banal, we are infested by foreigners.
Numbing your true feelings with tablets is all we have left.

Is it? Maybe back in the 70s.
I bet the other 7/8 aren't medicated because they haven't been diagnosed.

Those poor people :(
They need better access to universal free health care

It's really no surprise with the amount of stress people are living under.

>t. an actual mexican intellectual

Pushing a drug doesn't mean it will be successful. There needs to be a demand for it. You're putting the cart before the horse. Don't you think it might be plausible that there is a correlation to living conditions and antidepressant usage? Living in a city is far more stressful than living in a rural areas. Higher population density means you will have to interact with complete strangers on an everyday basis. There's more pollution and public spaces are often dirtier due to excessive usage. Racial diversity has also been shown in some studies to increase stress (since it puts us on our toes). It's very reductionist to say that it's entirely driven by the actions of the pharmaceutical companies.

See

But it's not an antidepressant.l

Sure. Of course you get more people more willing to try your drug if they live in the relative social isolation afforded by a city.

Obviously the drug can't be too terrible or else word will get out. Ambien, for instance, still sells very well, and it achieves the goal of knocking people out who can't sleep, but because it has developed such a bad reputation for making people do things that get them into serious trouble basically while sleep walking, there is more reluctance to the idea of everybody taking it as a magic fix.

SSRIs and similar tend to have less immediately obvious poor consequences, and often wind up becoming a source of dependence on continued use or experimentation with alternatives or additional drugs.

I believe that a lot of it is caused by unresolved trauma. Look up a Facebook post or two about child spanking or corporal punishment, and just remember while you're reading the comments that every single person who says "I was spanked as a child and I turned out fine" is a victim of abuse in denial.

Nobody wants to face this because trauma is fundamentally isolating. It's why RSLs exist, even the most severe war trauma can be treated (and a lot easier than most think), but you have to get people to open up first. If you can't do that you'll just have a room full of people who all know that they're suffering, all know that everyone else is suffering, all know that everyone else knows that everyone else is suffering, but won't open up out of fear shame or guilt.

I don't think we really need that many drugs. If you've ever seen someone who has been in denial of their own suffering for a long time you'll know that it's possible for someone to live a healthy lifestyle and accomplish a lot but still fall apart by some unknown force. Everyone knows those stories of old people dying a few days after their spouse of 60 years dies.

Because people are depressed.

Your questions should be more expansive.
What is making people so depressed?
Its the modern age, people are not starving, people are not dying in the streets of plague, there is no war on our soil, or near it.
So, why are more and more people becoming so sad and empty?

Its because WE are empty.
We've had such easy lives, that we don't value them anymore.
Millions of years of struggle made us who we were.
Now that we don't have struggle, we have lost who we are.
Its pretty simply really.
America's rise was so meteoric, that the people ahve had several generations to coast on that rise, and we've become fat, lazy, and disillusioned with the world.

First, are you implying that disciplining children should not be allowed and is one of the causes of antidepressant usage? Second, what is RSL? Third, what do you mean by opening up? Is it as simple as saying out loud "I'm suffering!", or is there more to it? How do you think this correlates to the victim culture popular in leftist politics, and furthermore the "gib me" culture of socialism?

Yeah i had mild anxiety problems and take around 0.3-0.5 daily with a week break every few months, my anxiety is pretty much gone and am much more social, though it does make me sleep in more

Good points. I do not believe that antidepressant usage is uniform across all adult Americans though. While we may becoming "soulless" due to the lack of struggle, I believe it is hitting certain demographics more than others currently. I want to understand what those demographics are. As an example, it is not inconceivable that there might be a correlation between antidepressant usage and people who work for corporations. Antidepressant usage might actually give corporate workers a competitive edge and make it easier for them to climb the ladder because it makes them more stable. Corporations want stable and reliable workers, especially if they are going to rely on them and give them large responsibilities - such as leading a company.

They wanted to put me on that crap and I refused. Skip to about 6 months later and I went in for some chronic pain in my hands. They prescribed me something I had never heard of. Went home and looked that shit up and what do you know, it's a fuck ing antidepressant. Fuck our medical industry I'll die when I die, the way it's always been.

>went to doctor for pain in hands and prescribed antidepressants
How the fuck does that make sense? Did you mention it to your doctor?

>but we need to understand what it does for the users
you need to know what it's doing to all of us. Your body doesn't metabolise it all so it gets into the water supply and we all take micro doses.

Source?

fuck you nigger, my doctor lied to me straight to my face. why would I go back. fuck them and fuck you

All the more reason to run a water filter at home. I'll be damned if I haven't felt all wrong and off since I broke mine a couple years ago.

It is over.

>Source?
me, nigger

water filters don't work. look it up

Mother fucker are you a chemist? Did you analyze the water yourself?

Use a search engine. It's been in the news.

They work better than nothing. Mine came with a copy of the lab tests they put it through. And you know what? I've put some nasty shit through it and still got nice drinking water out of it. I've used it in the 3rd world where you'd get sick from drinking the water. The input water grows algae like a motherfucker and the output water just sits there clear and fine.

>First, are you implying that disciplining children should not be allowed and is one of the causes of antidepressant usage?
People were beaten as kids, they became adults, they defaulted to the only method of discipline they knew. Then people came along and said that spanking has bad outcomes for kids and everyone who was beaten went into denial. People saying that a light spank is okay are not actually saying that.

>Second, what is RSL?
Returned and Services League.

>Third, what do you mean by opening up? Is it as simple as saying out loud "I'm suffering!", or is there more to it?
You've got to be honest about what happened and accept the truth. The only way to get past cognitive dissonance is to completely integrate what happened to you, and that's very fucking difficult to do because you need to lay yourself bare. It's the idea behind Alcoholics Anonymous and group therapy.

If you know that you're fucked up, and you look for help, you can get past most things. But normies don't think that anything is wrong with them so they never look for help in the first place. So you get people joking about being beaten and kicked out as teenagers while denying they have a problem. Occasionally some of them go to the doctor to find out why they feel like shit but they don't talk about the root cause so the doctor just gives them antidepressants and sends them on their way. Or they don't go to the doctor in the first place and self-medicate. Thus the dependence on antidepressants and drinking culture.

>How do you think this correlates to the victim culture popular in leftist politics
I think assigning the long-term effects of child abuse to any particular ideology is a bad idea. I'll elaborate in my next post.

>Technology is more popular and distributed in major cities

that's not really true. you can buy TVs, cell phones and all the modern amenities in the smallest of canadian towns.
speaking of which, those pills you speak of really aren't as popular here as there in the states.

this whole prescription anti-depressant things feel like a very *american* cultural phenomena. you people need to look at yourselves and ask why you feel you need this stuff.

What's the deal on using this shit for anxiety? Was considering effexor SNRI for anxiety and panic disorder, but the reviews are scary (withdrawal, brain zaps). Have a family history of bipolar disorder, that I thankfully missed, and shit is supposed to trigger mania, and that's playing with fire.

Would rather try benzos or Clonazepam first, traditional anxiety pills, but fucking junkies made it hard to get.

sorry I thought you wanted souce on my story
archive.is/QBgIa
theres plenty of info on the net just google drugs in the water supply

Yr a faggot

Don't pin everything on spanking. Different things wind up affecting people differently. I was very rarely spanked and I don't think it did much beyond making me think about whether or not something was worth maybe getting spanked for.

I got bullied a whole bunch and that definitely had a permanent affect on me, but it so happens I have the type of personality that figured out how to take that and turn it into an advantage to learn how to be immunized to further bullying and instead manipulate bullies psychologically to do my bidding instead.

Circumcision I think hurt me very badly. That was obviously child abuse rather than mere negative re-enforcement.

they are probably more common in cities and unis because of therapy/ counseling. and it is more attractive to act depressed when you're around more people. i have no idea how fucked you are if you take them over a long period but i know you have to in order for them to build up in your system. also a lot of people take anti psychotics with anti depressants so they are even more fucked. lots of mass killings are directly related to antidepressants. notable ones including germanwings, the madden shooting in florida, and columbine

americans are very culturally into medication. every ailment has some pill that makes it better.

with depression meds, they are sold as just being a general purpose mood enhancer. it's just supposed to make you feel better, so why not take it even if you don't need it?

I think they are horrible because the truth is they fuck up your brain chemistry long term. But my point is, doctors hand them out like candy and most people trust whatever medicines they are given. It's one of the worst aspects of our culture.

What are the consequences of long term antidepressant usage? A lot of material I've read online suggests that you can wean off antidepressants, so dependence doesn't seem anymore problematic than in regards to say heroin. Serotonin syndrome is a real concern though, and it would be useful understand how common it becomes with long term usage.

Depression is a condition of life. It's a sign, that your life is shit and you should change something about it. In the past it used to be easy. People would find meaning through hard work, taking up responsibility for others and moving up the ladder, creating a family, world exploration or through mastering a hobby. All those things have been taken from us and not everyone is skilled or smart enough to excel in a hobby and to find meaning in it. So lives are worthless and shit, more people become depressive. So circle continues.

You can thank Wild Bill Rockefeller for the way the medical industry is in the US. It's an interesting story, really.

Homocide or suicide are more common than you think. But it's something you very rarely will be able to quit, and you wind up lucky if a very small dose keeps working because you can get pretty fucked if it fries you out and then more won't put the pieces back together again. This last statement is true of many drugs that seem to have a decidedly positive effect at first.

I used to deal drugs so you can call it anecdotal, but there are obvious patterns you wind up seeing, and it turns out there's a lot of science behind it even though it's not really well understood in my opinion (I'm also a scientist in my professional life).

A lot of guys get ED, or lose all sex drive. SSRIs can generally fuck you up in other ways too, like insomnia. When you get off them you have to taper or else your shit goes haywire. It's the same fucking thing with most drugs that interfere with your natural brain chemistry (amphetamines, benzos, alcohol, etc).

>you wind up lucky if a very small dose keeps working because you can get pretty fucked if it fries you out and then more won't put the pieces back together again. This last statement is true of many drugs that seem to have a decidedly positive effect at first.

I had that problem with adderall. It works awesome for like two months, then it just gets progressively shittier and shittier. You can't quit because you can't function without it, but the paranoia, delusions, insomnia, sweating, etc etc just continue to fry you

>People were beaten as kids, they became adults, they defaulted to the only method of discipline they knew. Then people came along and said that spanking has bad outcomes for kids and everyone who was beaten went into denial. People saying that a light spank is okay are not actually saying that.
This is plausible if spanking (and other forms of discipline) cause trauma. If the people who are traumatized are saying they aren't, what do we do about it? Stockholm syndrome like conditions are probably likely, especially since their "captors" are their parents. How do we quantify abuse and trauma if the "victims" say they aren't traumatized or weren't abused? Could this not be interpreted as third-party projection? E.g. someone who was not abused projecting his reality onto those who were.
>Returned and Services League.
This only exists in Australia.
>You've got to be honest about what happened and accept the truth. The only way to get past cognitive dissonance is to completely integrate what happened to you, and that's very fucking difficult to do because you need to lay yourself bare. It's the idea behind Alcoholics Anonymous and group therapy.
Are you saying there should be a Child Abuse Victims Anonymous group?

Yeah, it's especially common with stimulant drugs. There's a lot of research that's been done on degradation of the dopamine cycle if you start getting on drugs that stimulate it artificially for too long.

Alcohol is a funny case because it's primarily active via the GABA cycle. So it's not as damaging over the long haul to dopamine response, but it's correlative effects tend to make it a drug of choice for people who develop a dependency or an addiction to stimulants.

Does the degradation of the dopamine cycle happen to people who have a neuro-chemistry that breaks down dopamine faster than average? For example, the warrior vs worrier gene. Wouldn't this imply that people who naturally have more dopamine in their brains on average (due to slower breakdown) would degrade their cycles?

I wouldn't even consider this shit if it wasn't for the fact I think anxiety effects my hypertension. Got crazy white coat syndrome, worry drives panic attacks, insane bp during attack to perfect less than 120 in an ER after anxiety mimicing serious shit.

After all these caveats, I think I'll just stick with working through the anxiety and adding some bp med if needed. Xanax or Valium would be nice to tamp things down.

>taking antidepressants when methamphetamine is readily available

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I’m on fluoxetine and have to take it, because without it, I’d literally kill myself. Why? Because everything in this world is so fucked up and I don’t see the solution, nor would I really like to be part of such a horrible system. However, I feel suicide is for pussies and don’t want to hurt my family. When I first got red pilled, I had 1-2 years of extreme productivity, trying to change the world, but gradually, over the course of last year, I became disillusioned. I’m more or less chemically blue pilling myself. I’m weak, indeed. I don’t care.

t. White male zoomer

I don't know about that. There are people for whom the amount of the affect of dopamine is more pronounced. There is research that correlates the levels with patterns of behavior.

But the ultimate fact is that if you stay on stimulant drugs for too long then it's going to disengage your natural dopamine levels, and they probably won't recover to what they would have been had you just soldiered through the situation. Typically you'll be pretty close to your long term expectations if you can stay clean for a year.

Do you use methamphetamine everyday all day? E.g. during work, meeting family, during hobbies, etc.

>having family, friends, and hobbies while on methamphetamine

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I think your asking the wrong questions user. The question is, would people have rioted in the west if SSRIs not so prevelant?

What you're saying is that methamphetamine is a drug that degrades relationships and interest in hobbies? How the fuck is this any different than depression?

Only 1/8 of the adult population is on antidepressants. 7/8 are unaffected, and they could riot. Or are you saying that the 1/8 demographic is the most influential and the most likely to riot?

>your brain: hey stupid retard we r living in a fucked up situation right now, we got to do something
>doctor kike: hehe just take these pills go- guy, you shouldnt feel these emotions hehe
yeah keep on taking the medical jew retards

Because there's no depression when it happens. It's
BALS
TO
THE
WALL
Until you run out ;_;

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Think about it. Why would they riot? Most people can't design an effective protest and have been indoctrinated into Trotskyite or Alinskyite methods that have been the subject of indoctrination in our schools and other such institutions for decades.

Meanwhile, to foment something like that, you really don't even need an entire 1/8 of the population to take the lead, and you'd want them to take the lead in population dense places where their actions can have a maximum effect on the rest of the population.

Mother fucker I'm not on antidepressants and I hate dependencies. Are jews selling all illegal narcotics too? Marijuana, cocaine, LSD, psilocybin, heroin, etc? Can you name any jewish cartels?

yeah its called the CIA

>balls to the wall until you run out
>doesn't do anything interesting while high as balls
>???
This is really not making any sense. Do you just stare at a wall when you're high as fuck?

Sauce?

>3. How long can these people use antidepressants without permanent changes? What kind of risks are there for long term antidepressant usage?

It'll make your Serotonin making cells lazy and if they stop they'll get rebound effects of lower Serotonin. Other than that, SSRIs don't have much in the way of serious consequences. The older ones can.

They're basically useless unless you've got problems with mid-brain Serotonin deficiency.

Do the serotonin cells go back to baseline production when off antidepressants? What are the "old" ones and what are the "new" ones?

You know I'm joking don't you? Or do you want serious advice?
Advice-
1. Get a better diet and job, even if it means taking a pay cut. Depression kills.
2. Stay away from all psychotropic drugs, except for psychedelics.
3. If your gf is causing problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.
4. STOP SMOKING FUCKING WEED, IT IS TRASH.
5. Work out. Cardio, calisthenics, or weights. Just do some shit.
6. Get a constructive hobby. BUILD shit. It's human nature to wanna build and make.

SSRIs don't cure depression. They merely make people more comfortable with being in a bad way by increasing serotonin levels. They're USELESS without therapy and removal of the problems causing the depression and are at best a very temporary help while you sort shit out(that's what they were intended for as a stopgap, not a long-time treatment).

t. chemist

PS: Give stims a try some time. They're fun. But only if you have lots of self control.

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Iran contra

>Stay away from all psychotropic drugs, except for psychedelics.
If I'm understanding this correctly, you're saying that LSD > antidepressants? Even for everyday use? You recommend microdosing LSD over taking antidepressants?

It takes a few months to return to a naive state..

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I am using an MAOI called Parnate. This came out in the 60s, long before SSRIs. It's poison, but it prevents me from suiciding.

I wouldn't microdose LSD beyond a week at a time, then give it a week or more clean.
You shouldn't overkill on 5HT2a.

But yes, proper microdosing(10ug/dose or less, safe bet 5ug/dose) will likely serve you better, at least for a little while, than modern Rx drugs.
BUT, they're still no cure. Cures all boil down to action, not drugs. You have to find the cause and excise it, and get active. Try and boost natural dopamine levels. STOP MASTURBATING. When men bust off, prolactin is released which acts as a dopamine receptor antagonist, blocking natural dopamine agonism, which leads into depression.

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>Numbing your true feelings with tablets is all we have left.
kys you subhuman brit, go on a pub crawl with your faggot soi ridden friends, and haha the whole way to your hopefully soonish demise, bitch nigger

He confirmed what I was saying. You should get better at mind reading. Maybe some LSD would help you.

Sometimes the only answer to a chemical world are more chemicals.

Dont touch Venlaflaxine (Effexor) if possible, its poisonous shit that will wreck your sex drive / ability to orgasm past about 75mg a day plus turn you into a fucking NPC zombie who feels neither highs nor lows. An its an absolute cunt to come off
>t.venlaflaxine.for.6.years

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Can confirm from the folks I know who went through effexor.

What about ego death? Is that real? If people took like 10 tabs of LSD at once, would that lead to long lasting changes? If so, would they be detrimental of beneficial?

Here's a medical secret: opioids are superior antidepressants with fewer side effects. Try tianeptine so long as you don't have a history pf drug abuse.

Are you still on it or did you quit? If you quit, do you notice any cognitive differences?

cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(18)30755-1#

The answer to a problem causing depression in your life is NEVER drugs. At best it's a stopgap. ALWAYS.
Now, I know you don't wanna quit that nice coding job you have for $60K a year. But if it's making you miserable, you either quit it, or it will KILL YOU.
Your gf might have the purrrrdiest non-roast pussy this side of an Arby's sandwich, but if she's causing girl problems, you need to eliminate that one out of a hundo to make an even 99.
Shit diet? No activity? Change up. Eat better, live faster and harder.

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>yo try out opiods. they are way better.
This sounds like some shit a drug dealer would say. Opiods are more physically addicting. Why the fuck would anyone want to get on that shit?

First of all, you don't know what the dose is per tab. Ego death is really kind of a clinical term that doesn't mean a whole lot if you've taken enough acid that nothing at all makes sense anymore in the way that it ordinarily would.

Yes, it can lead to lasting changes. Yes, it can be detrimental if you keep doing it for long because it results in accepting very distorted thinking as a replacement for reality. Some people get pretty messed up by just one nasty trip, but these I would say are a relative minority.

There's about 7 billion different answers to that question, and that number is NOT going down.

Been off for a year - tapered off over a couple of months. Got very depressed / unmotivated after coming off - lay in bed like a lazy cunt not even bothering to lok for a job for months. Started lifting / excercising and that's pulled me round now.

I believe you but I struggled enough to stop smoking marijuana and nicotine to trust myself with anything addictive

Because they are superior to conventional treatments. They target the mechanism of depression far better than SSRIs. Depression is opioid mediated.