The Rational Male

>Amerimutts need to read three chapters of a self help book to understand that maybe dating a girl with genital herpes and a history of sleeping with black men might be a bad ide

It is over.

feel ya, today a bitch i was chasing months ago, but whom i since occasionaly met on partys of friends, messaged me "i know you go out of my way and such, but merry x-mas i still like you" FUCK YOU BITCH WHY U COME UP AGAIN!? i answered :"merry x-mas. leave me alone." back and forth texting bs i basically send her "told u everything. Leave me alone and do what makes u happy." im so tired of manipulative bitches. Point is: Selfrespect and Principles are key.

In my experience, more than 50% are normal.
Its fucked up betas getting exploited by the crazy bitches tht get exploited by narcissists themselves that make up the people who always happen to meet shitty partners.

>im so tired of manipulative bitches

I'd rather ask myself why you're wasting so much time and thoughts on some woman who already rejected you instead of investing that into a woman who also wants to fuck you without making a fuss.

The free blog is cooler because it covers more than "muh dick and vagene".

>x-mas
What a cuck!

Sure, however you might want to complement it with some other reading though. Something that focuses on the internal, e.g. stoic ideas like those of Marcus Aurelius.

TRM is a good description of the current gender dynamic, however the outlined pathways inadvertently boil down to material pleasures. Meanwhile, the only advice in terms of psychological predisposition is "to hold frame".Yes this works if your only goal in life is to have sex, however if you view yourself as more than a mindless ape it becomes pretty disheartening pretty quick.

because i want love not sex.
Yeah, i wrote her a text in english after she wrote me one in english even though we are both german.
You went to burger university?

As a male, what am I but a mindless ape?

Dude what???

I remember you, I thought you were trolling !!

Good going. It’s stupid, even a loser like myself wouldn’t fucking stoop THAT low...good grief, a used up skank with STDs...

Come on man.

your the same as the men who built this, if you think of yourself as a "mindless ape" that is what you are.

If you think of yourself as part of a greater collective in service of a higher power, not even a life time will stand in the way to achieving your goals.

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Yeah I told you guys I wasn't trolling, but looking back at it, it looked like one because it was outrageous

If we have to do a "men canon" book list, besides Meditations, TRM and the Critique of Culture what else can we add?

Stahlgewitter by Ernst Jünger

Lawrence of arabia

Stop shilling this shit on here. Ended up checking it out and its literally a bunch of shitty blog posts and his theories are completely anecdotal. On top of that he uses a bunch of gay PUA and game speak so incels will think it's based or something.

>As a male, what am I but a mindless ape?

You're more than the part of you that drives you to seek out food and shelter. You are also abstract thought, emotion and rationality.
Both of these parts have a right to be , and should be taken into account in your actions. But you are the sum of it, not just the most base. You are (Hu)man.

entry level:
the old man and the sea - hemingway
the way of men - Donovan
the manipulated men - vilar
men on strike - smith
is there anything good about men - baumeister

medium tier:
beyond good and evil - Nietzsche
the world as will and representation - schopenhauer
brave new world - huxley
the boy crisis - farrell

advanced tier:
antifragility - taleb
science in action - latour
sociology of science - robert k merton
the structure of scientific revolutions - kuhn
the archaeology of knowledge - focault

Entry level stuff is related to the mechanics of a men's life, medium tier is a broader understanding of the push-back that a man that has his own ideas is currently facing and advanced tier are epistemological considerations of how we can know anything at all.

just my 2 cent, am sure there are other great books

t. roastie

Strong words from a dog fucker

>he needed a book to tell him that eloping with a BLACKED STD ridden whore was a bad idea

Life is full of decisions a lot harder than that, user. Consider suicide

that was me and it was months ago dude, lay off the peyote. it was the first thing that came to mind when it came to covering the nuances and social contracts that apply to men in regards to women. i could have recommended sex & character but i didn't. pua shit aside it's functional if you're an ultranormie

dont listen to this faggot leaf, rollo is legit and if you want to understand wymens, read his books
BUT don't forget to read everything ever posted at chateau heartiste as well

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>why would you need to outlaw it? not like someone will do it someda-

Riiight. Washington state only recently made bestaility illegal in 2010 because of Mr Hands getting fucked to death by a horse in a famous online video. Your Hollywood then decided to make a movie about it called Zoo. And meanwhile those other states still keep it legal with no reprocussions.

Penetration is illegal everywhere in Canada bro.

The US is fucked and you’re all stupid

yeah, pretty good read. Its nothing that you already didn't know, but its good to read someone else say it. It reaffirms ones sanity.

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Wish one of those books were actually worth reading

>I was considering being with a woman with genital herpes who has slept with a few niggers and this book has helped open my eyes.

Imagine needing a book to tell you this.

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>Yes this works if your only goal in life is to have sex, however if you view yourself as more than a mindless ape it becomes pretty disheartening pretty quick.
I thought the goal outlined in the book is to attract a wife, not to have sex. I haven't read it yet, it's on my shortlist; I've just read a few of the author's blog posts.

bump

This. Too many cucks getting cucked.

Basically it says do this

sauce
1.droppdf.com/files/8Zupo/the-rational-male-tomassi-rollo.pdf

ive read through this guy's blog. none of it is surprising if you know how evolution works

i suggest you guys all read 'the selfish gene'

What do you suggest?

Holding frame is literally tge most important takeaway and it goes way beyond sex. Everything in life is a negotiation (just like sex) and holding frame allows you to REFRAME, which gives you an upper hand when negotiating.

>Holding frame

You mean having a fucking personality.
Why the hell do you autists need to sperg out so much about "how to human 101" ?

Holding frame is about stoicism, not having a personality. Reframing is about controlling the power dynamics in the conversation.

that statistical analysis of the survey is so block-headed that you need a certain type of academic stupidity to come up with it....

ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim

>male sexlessness is not driven by an increasingly competitive dating market
>its driven by a decline in marriages

and what is causing the decline in marriages?....

What even is a pua?

>Holding frame is about stoicism, not having a personality.

Let me sepcify: Having a personality you dont bend and adapt constantly to please the person you're toalking to

>Reframing is about controlling the power dynamics in the conversation.

I have no Idea what the use of that would be outside of selling a used car. Just have fun with girls and make a move when you deem it appropriate.
You're just making it harder on yourself by overcomplicating things and adding all sorts of fucked up beliefs that spring from the authors problems in his personal life and nothing else.

my personality is a gun

How about negotiating a salary, a loan, the terms of a promotion? Everything is a negotiation, not just getting pussy.

>needs a book to tell him not to be with a STD ridden slut
jesus christ dude

>Everything is a negotiation,

I agree with your examples, but getting pussy is not. Of course, if you believe this, you will tend to attract women who also believe that sex is a negotiation and thus self-reinforce your believe. If tha ttype of woman makes you happy, go for it.
I prefer women who fuck me because they feel like it, not to get something from me.

>Why the hell do you autists need to sperg out so much about "how to human 101" ?

TL:DL what's the difference in outcome between never been taught or being unable to?

A not insignificant part of the population had the "pleasure" to grow up in a female headed household/single (female) parent/no extended family unit. These individuals literally never learned how adults constructively disagree, resolve conflict let alone develop your own personality.

Furthermore, as these same individuals then get "educated" to respect the wymyn, be in contact with their feelings, etc. it becomes their de facto personality. Now on the small off-chance that someone is able to break out of their conditioning, there is no naturally learned template to fall back on.

Funny enough, I grew up with a single mother - but she was a narcissit nutcase who taught me pretty muh the opposite of the stuff you describe. So I tured out to be a bitter, cynical cunt instead who was extremely harsh on both himself and others and unable to attract any woman who was not a self-hating bipolar roastie.

Although I agree that many NiceGuys/Betas are made this way, there is no magic bullet or universal solution.

>there is no naturally learned template to fall back on.

Instead of a ready-made template, I think it is much better to just shed some of the crappy beliefs said conditioning imbued you with, and then procedd to make your own experiences.
Rollos stuff is laden with his own problems and fuckups, and while it may beat staing a Beta, it also infuses you with its own problems.

Most Betas have a problem with being in touch with their needs as a man and showing to women that they want them to fulfill those needs and deal with the rejection. IN short not giving a fuck and just seeing women as sexual objects as well as humans.

Going to the other extreme and completely objectifying women is an okay intermediate solution to learn to do things another way, but if you keep it up forever it just makes a lot more problems than it initially solved.

For some men the negoatation of sex is so natural you don't even think about, but an agreement between two parties stilk happpens. Its really not that interesting, but when you expand holding frame and raframing to the context of a relationship (not just men and women) but your boss, the tax man auditing you, the loan officer, the police officer... it becomes more interesting and helpful in your life, esp because 95 percent of all people go above and beyond to avoid confrontation.

I dunno. I've always been quite confrontative, but I see dealing with women more as something pleasant.
Might be because I'm fairly good at setting my boundaries and telling them to fuck off when they do something I don't like.
You don't need to reframe any contexts, just stand your ground and know what you want and what you don't want.
And I think it is much better to find both out or yourself instead of using prebuilt templates.

>considering being with a woman with genital herpes
Why did you need a book to tell you not to do that?

you are both talking about the "same" thing, just approaching it from different angles. For example:

>You don't need to reframe any contexts, just stand your ground and know what you want and what you don't want.

that is literally the definition of "holding your frame".

The issue that arises with that, is that any asshole can be single-mind enough to "hold frame". However, not everyone appreciates the full ramifications of such actions. This factors over to a few of my favorite Nietschze passages:

>"It has gradually become clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of – namely, the confession of its originator, and a species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography; and moreover that the moral (or immoral) purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown." (Nietzsche, [1886] 1989:6)

so when writes:

>Everything is a negotiation, not just getting pussy.

He's correct in a more profound way than he maybe realises, because:

>But this is an old, eternal story: what happened back then with the Stoics still happens today, just as soon as philosophy begins believing in itself. It always creates the world in its own image, it cannot do otherwise; philosophy is this tyrannical drive itself, the most spiritual will to power, to the “creation of the world”, to the causa prima.”

What is this "causa prima"... its will

fuck off rollo

>I was considering being with a woman with genital herpes who has slept with a few niggers
my lord

Hell yes. Cheers Nietzsche bro.

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it goes further than some flowery words by Freddie

here is a population wide model of its effects

news.rpi.edu/luwakkey/2902

>Scientists at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute have found that when just 10 percent of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society.

Now an "unshakable beleif"... how much does this not sound like "holding frame"?

Now we can talk about his dynamic by calling it attitudes’, ‘rationalisations’, ‘interpretations’, ‘perspectives’, ‘ontologies’, ‘worldviews’, ‘underlying frameworks’, ‘belief structures’, ‘expectancy models’, ‘reality tunnels’, ‘doctrines’, discourse, overton window, etc. etc. the overall idea is always the same.

Namley, that once a critical mass of people share these ideations AND cannot be shamed out of it by the current status quo... the status quo changes. As Freedies mentor wrote:

>All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

we are transitioning from stage 1 to stage 2 now

So you think the book is shit? Is there anything of worth to take out of it then?

Dear Lord, look I don’t know any other way to say this, but you are lacking in common sense or critical thinking or both.

Please read books by famous old (European) men.

Preferably Ancient Greek since they honestly can’t be beat. Then work your way up the Renaissance thinkers and stop there.

It WILL be boring. But you will learn. You must learn user, I don’t want to see you go through life taken advantage of.

>I was considering being with a woman with genital herpes who has slept with a few niggers and this book has helped open my eyes to what I want and don't want

Holy fuck i hope this is b8, I refuse to believe there are people out there who would sleep with (let alone date) women who they know have sex with blacks and have herpes

And if it is too boring for you, read summaries of them. I think you might have a short attention span...

And read more (European) history. It’s glorious. And it will inspire you.

Good thread.

Rollo Tomassi is absolutely based and redpilled.

His Redpill 101 series is great
youtube.com/channel/UC8eLDzfH6YfZRDbDuMsNWiA

I agree

Niggers

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Doin it wrong
Get together with her
Drink a bunch of beers
Get bj
Hold her hair tight close to scalp
Act like going to cum
Piss all over her don’t let her escape
Just get up and leave laughing when done
She can’t tell anyone too humiliating

Best to do in public bathroom btw where she HAS to walk out into crowd of people

The stormlight archive. Brandon Sanderson. Not all books need to be shitty self helps. There are lessons to be learned in the stories authors share. Few peoples spirits soar higher than those dedicated to prose. I mostly recommend fantasy over realistic fiction. The stories told in our world are quite different from those where the world is the story.

>considering being with a woman with genital herpes who has slept with a few niggers

...you needed a book to inform you this is a bad idea?

You watched that devon stack video too?

Ty leaf nigger

90% of adults have got herpes. Genital and oral herpes are the same thing. most people get herpes b4 they have sex. you can get it by shaking the hand of someone whose got it. herpes sores secret a slimy balm that has the contagens and gets all over hands and common surfaces.
live healthy and your body will gradually overcome herpes so that u stop getting sores, until u get another strain from someone else. But as u get older you're body accumulates more strains and becomes generally more resistant. Women get herpes sores worse then men.

Are you really shilling for herpes right now? Kys.

I own a physical copy of this book and its honestly nothing great.
Just seems like a cynical beta male ranting about how
>nothing is real no woman can love you, no woman is really yours its just your turn with her
False bravado from a beta that got his feelers hurt.

Just watch Rollo in some interviews...
Some guys got it and some guys dont

He don't got it.

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>she was never yours, it was just your turn.
>You can either love women, or you can know women.
These are 101 rules. Sounds like you still have a few red pills to swallow, also sounds like you might still worship women user.

How much of a cuck do you have to be to think that a woman is not yours and that it is just your turn with her?
Eastern men understand this way better than western men.

Because of hypergamy dude. 101 again. You really haven't read much of any of this shit.

Has reading "life books" from some random loser really given you insight on life? Or do they reinforce your incel mentality?

>focault
Neck yourself, heeb

Like what? Sapkowskis witcher?

This 100%

Thanks for rec

>I am all alone(poor me) in White house.
I can't take this memetics

Nice larp.

Plate theory. I am here. Is there more interesting and useful things further ?

Pls tell me about holding frame . I am busy building iPhone app to get rich. Don't have time to read books.

Culture of critique is not needed. It's BS about biased optics against Jews

Terrific book. His third installment, positive masculinity, is also a terrific read. The chapter every guy needs to read is that there's never a girl who's 'the one'.

It's the first chapter and only teenage girls and transitioning homos believe in oneitis

No, (((hollywood))) has programmed most men to believe in oneitis based on what's in movies. You'd be surprised how many guys I know have been severely depressed for months because of a breakup.

thoroughly enjoyed 'he manipulated man' its written by a self aware female so its more of a well meaning warning to men instead of a pua style blackpill

>"incel mentality"

You do realize that the entire theoretical edifice that is currently collectively being worked upon, is primarily concerned with undermining, identifying and neutralizing shaming tactics, which have been used since time immemorial to shame men back into line.

What do you do....use a shaming tactic... your cute ;)

You [xxxxx] = anything that you don't agree with, but have no way of addressing other than with slander.

Merry Christmas my friend

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