Depression and fixing it

Regardless of personal politics, it seems everybody here has or has had depression in some form.

I would like a throwaround of ideas on how people go about fixing or treating it beyond the immediately obvious things, which are.

>fixing diet
>exercise
>fixing alcohol problems
>fixing drug problems (or trying others)
>getting out and about more
>getting better friends
>getting out of here

Through the usual bullshit, there are some posters I've seen here over the years that seem intelligent and capable, but for lack of another way of saying it have fallen through the cracks and I'd like to see if we can fix or help to fix somebody or each other.

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Destroying central banks because then the value you create you could keep

Has anybody had luck with alternative therapies? Electroshocks? Esoteric supplements?

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There is no such thing as depression. Everyone goes through their own personal hell, even billionaires an hero sometimes. Get your shit together and work to fix your problems.

I'll believe what the science says, thanks.

(((science)))

yo wtf is 37 a magic number or something

Its never justified to be sad
>depression

Meds and getting hobbies has worked for me. Hunting and bush craft has kept me going as well as keeping in touch with my family.

Triple 37 check

Productive activity is the best remedy for depression

I've been depressed every year since my teens. I thought it was just seasonal (SAD) but it's more frequent or unexpected than that.

I play a shitton of chess to the point of obsession (also pretty good at it) and it helps a lot. Just finding chess friends IRL helps too like clubs.

Also getting a pet helps

Furthermore, weed.

Those "immediately obvious" things cure literally 99.99% of mental issues. Even just diet+exercise alone will solve ~95% of depression cases.

There's nothing to add.

But when you can't get yourself to be productive?

It's funny how people presume that depression is some kind of mistake or malfunction, but actually it's just your brain's way of telling you that your life sucks and you should fix it.

None of that really worked for me.

>diet and excercise
Now I'm just depressed, lonely, and Jow Forums.

>quitting drugs and alcohol
I was depressed before I tried drugs and alcohol. LSD kinda helped a little, but it's a bandaid.

>going out
I'm still too socially anxious to talk to strangers.

>getting better friends
The friends I made just make me realize what a piece of shit I am.

>getting out of here
Meh. Whether I'm here or not, it's all the same.

Can only be done through Jesus Christ.

take this to r9k or adv you fucking faggot

What the fuck is with you guys. You go into every thread and claim Jesus is the answer to everything. Why aren't you in church or something right now if you can't stop talking about Jesus all the time?

But never mind that. What specifically do you suggest? What besides repenting and accepting Christ as my Lord and savior do suggest will help my depression?

Group therapy is the most helpful thing I've experienced. Just talking about your problems with people is kind of uplifting

Go to church , interact with Christians, engage.

>>fixing diet

stay away from fast food, make your own sandwiches, eat your fruits and veggies. No sodas.

>>exercise

Get a fitbit. They work if you know how to set your goals properly.

>>fixing alcohol problems
>>fixing drug problems (or trying others)

Hard to say with this one. usually it's one's own personal vanity that leads them to being an alcoholic/junkie.

>>getting out and about more

Usually it's people in major cities who have this problem. Locking yourself in to stay safe from crime is one thing. Another is people are flakes, and move into big cities to feel important and flashy. Creating false standards for themselves, and placing them upon you. And if you can't live up to the image, then you're not worth it, so you continue to lock yourself in your place, never enriching yourself or experiencing anything new.

>>getting better friends

Shut down your social media accounts, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat....lose it all.

>>getting out of here

Travel.

as someone who has had his share of depression, always remember that there will be plenty of time to be dead. even at my lowest at least i still have hate; life is a struggle; think of all the bronies, subhumans and other degenerates reproducing themselves on this planet. do you want to admit you are a bigger failure than them and lie down, or are you going to power through?

that is unless you actually are a brony; in that case just kill yourself already

>think of all the bronies, subhumans and other degenerates reproducing themselves on this planet. do you want to admit you are a bigger failure than them and lie down, or are you going to power through?
This has stopped me wanting to necc myself more times than I'd like to admit.

>Furthermore, weed.
I'm the stereotypical doomer and have been a chronic user since I was 16. The first year it was just twice a day or with friends. At some point though I started having to smoke every couple hours, even though I stopped being a NEET and the depression started waning a bit. I think it can help with introspection in small amounts but if you become a regular user it's just another bandaid that's hard to rip off.

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>fixing stuff and goint out more

Obviously those posters haven't suffered a clinical depression and don't know what they are talking about. All you CAN do in the beginning is take pills and leave your fingers off drugs and alcohol. Then, after a while, do you have the energy to make changes.

t: guy with decades of first hand experience

For me, SSRIs fixed me up a couple of times, but depressions kept coming back after a year or two. Finally went into a day clinic, got proper medication there and started therapy. Found out what bugs me and made changes in my life. Have been free of depressions ever since.

What do you do when you don't trust medication? I had a doctor prescribe me zoloft when I was more anxious than depressed. I tried them for a couple weeks and it led to a full on meltdown and me dodging going to the doctor for years. I can't seem to shake the thought that you shouldn't ever have something interfere with how your brain naturally is. You take medication for anything else and I don't care, but people who take mental medication seem to be the types that have no kind of spirituality and think of themselves as just a bunch of chemical processes.

there is no such thing as depression
it's called being depressed, not the same thing
what the science see is the physiological result of being depressed, the result, not the cause

like loneliness for example, it can't be quantified, it's a subjective feeling, you could feel lonely surrounded by people and completely fine alone.

that being said, there are objective reasons that can make you feel depressed and need to be addressed but it's not a sickness and can't be solved by taking pharmaceuticals drugs

usually stem from a felling of being low rank in the hierarchy and useless, also too much free time

you wouldn't feel depressed with things to do, responsibilities or people relying on you, even in the worse situation

drugs are useless, they only make things worse, they're only good for punctual and extreme situations like sedations or for people with actual brain injuries or birth defects society can't deal with
the chemical imbalance theory is a scheme by big pharma to sell ssri and other shit to normal people, basically low dosage ecxtasy, sure it works but at what cost? growing lactating nipples, losing 30 iq point, skin problems, impulsiveness and probable permanent damages

Basically I had the feeling that there's dozens of different medications out there and that you have to try a few out. I had Zoloft, but it made me play Russian Roulette with my car. The real progress came when I went to a clinic. They had this deal where you stay the day for therapy and at night you go home and sleep in your own bed. They tried a combination of a morning and an evening pill, and when I told them my mouth felt dry, they eased me off and onto something else. Found something that worked well after a few weeks and I've kept those prescriptions since.

They also found out I had some deep seated issue buried in my subconscious and after the clinic I went to therapy to try and dig that out. I think I've been successful, or at least the fucking depressions and suicide plans haven't come back.

I tried for many years and finally pulled through. In the end, the answer was simple:

- exercise 5 days/week
- less masturbation, and only to your imagination and 2d images
- doing something productive, working hard even if you fail
- socializing
- wake up at 6 AM and go to sleep at 9:30-10 PM every single weekday except weekends
- drugs (modafinil, phenibut)

literally everything else has been a fucking meme for me

I just took pills. Works fine.

>GET IN THE GYM
>EAT BETTER

Pros: everything
Cons: nothing

That's bullshit. The stuff works very well. But there are different kinds of meds and not everything is for everybody. That's why you don't see your doctor only once and then you go off with your presciption, but you're supposed to have an appointment two weeks later in case the stuff doesn't work or you don't feel well.

Anybody tried (or know anybody that tried) deep brain stimulation or electroshock therapy?

Some have had amazing results from it and others the opposite, it seemed to be the final nail that pushed Hemmingway to suicide.

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so /sig/ basically
>clean your place
>take a shower and get dressed
>go out
>ask dream girl for her number
>spend the week texting and chasing her
>get laid

already have a gf?
>dump her
>see A

maybe improve a thing or two here and there but not too much, being anal is counter productive, just fix a couple of things if you're an objective mess WHILE doing something fun

yes drugs works, that doesn't mean you should use them, also the psychological aspect of seing yourself struggling with medications or therapy is conter productive
general drugs and prescription drugs should be avoided and shrinks should be avoided

I do go to Church user. I also spread the Good News, that there is a person out there that loves you and has defeated death for you.
I specifically suggest studying the Bible. The Word has much to teach us about daily life; the stress, the heartache, how to deal with it, stories of others who have gone through the same problems. It also shows us the joys of life.
The Bible will show you what your problems are and where they truly stem from, and then it helps you overcome them.

Fixing your diet, routine exercise (and I don't just mean going to the gym and never breaking a sweat, I mean exertion), cutting out fast food/eating right, and fixing your fucked up sleep patterns will do as much or more for you than school shooter pills

>Basically I had the feeling that there's dozens of different medications out there and that you have to try a few out.
Why do you have to try a few out? Is it because you tried other methods like self improvement or CBT and they didn't help? Or is it that there's no way to perfectly map someone's psyche and you just have to brute force it until you find one that doesn't leave your mental state a mess?
>The real progress came when I went to a clinic
See the clinics here keep you there if they find out you even flirted with the idea of suicide. Hell they'd probably keep you for less, I don't know. A few people I knew from school went to the clinics, they were about as well maintained and professional as the average nursing home. Definitely not interested in staying anywhere besides my home.
>Found something that worked well after a few weeks and I've kept those prescriptions since
One of my friends that's been on them for nearly a decade now noticed that the effectiveness of them got weaker over time. He's still on them but is more prone to his old ways. Anecdotal, but I feel like there's plenty of others that had the same issue after a few years.
>They also found out I had some deep seated issue buried in my subconscious
I'm skeptical about psychology as a whole. I truly don't believe that someone can know you better than yourself no matter what piece of paper they have. The one trap I never stepped into was being in denial of what would have caused my spiral downwards. Fundamental misunderstandings of how intimate relationships work, being a bully and surrounding myself with narcissists at a young age, living a sheltered life in the country where it was harder to socialize, and of course not self improving enough. There's no single traumatic event that I've buried, just a bunch of mistakes that I was too vain to correct.

this, sleeping and eating normally + physical activity can go a long way but only coupled with a mix of short and long term attainable goals
something nice for this week, something nice for ten years from now

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>play a shitton of chess to the point of obsession
>and it helps a lot
That's escapism not help. Pets and weed also.

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go back

Depression is a symptom caused by the state of our society. It shows that your mind is healthy but the shit surrounding you is sick.

Fun fact: NPCs don't get depressed.

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imho all that shit is first world problems
ask yourself this: would you feel depressed if you were to get a new place to live, a new car and a new girlfriend this fucking week? no you wouldn't
why even consider pills and other bs? that's for whinny bitches and weak minded people who think you can order well being on amazon
yes breaking pattern is hard, that's why most people don't do it and stay comfy instead

who is actually out there trying shit? nobody, or maybe like 10 - 20% of people and even then it's probably luck or a situation where you don't have to try (eg get the job because you've been introduced randomly, get the girl because she was literally thrown at you and you just vaguely ceased the opportunity)
most people are happy with waiting for shit to happen and then trying not to fuck up too much when it does, but very very few people are willing to actually just fucking get what they want

you go back to Jow Forums
have you even TRIED?

You yourself said that all the secular anti-depression stuff like exercise, diet etc. doesn't have an effect on you. Jesus Christ is the only one who can save you.

>read the Bible every day
>pray every morning and night
>go to Church
>meet people at Church
>explore the rich christian (catholic) tradition in music, arts etc.
>do all the other stuff like exercise in combination with being born again christian

This is true for me aswell. It's a great tool for realising that no matter what other peoples' life situation is they might go through and/or experience the same problems as you do.

Those books helped me a lot, I mean, I was so close that I nearly hang myself.

>Dostoyevsky
crime and puishment
notes from the underground
the idiot
>nietzsche
beyond good and evil
>emil cioran
on the heights of despair

Get better soon, annon!

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>fixing depression
You can't, its just a grim existence where you choose to plow on, to live, it stays with you as long as you're alive. If Churchill could not defeat it then what odds do you have? Embrace it as part of yourselves, that is your doom in life.

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OP's pic related is a Trap, and should pull the trigger.

even if you live in the middle of nowhere or a big city where it's awkward to randomly talk to someone, there is someplace you can go and have 2mn conversations with someone without it being weird.
>bars, shops, around universities, gym, fucking anywhere be creative
go there you lazy fuck, take a shower, get dressed, eat something and fucking go there TODAY
casually talk to people if you need to warm up and then find an attractive girl to chit chat with,
say you're busy and need to go, yada yada but would like to do that again and ask for contacts
do it ten times if you need to, until you get results ashamed to deploy strategies to get some pussy? have you interiorised the cucking yet? what's wrong with you? it's something to be proud of, no it's not creepy, no it's not stalking? no you have no business being here except getting a phone number, and? so what? it's called having fun and taking risks because why not
same thing you did whenever you got laid except you force the event and actually deserve it

>inb4 chad roasties #metoo degenerate
excuses

>If Churchill could not defeat it then what odds do you have?
Tbf I'd be depressed if I helped hand europe to commies instead of fighting against them alongside our german brethren.

>MEDITATION
Depression is caused by thoughts, most of which are negative and fed to you by others. They barrell around in your head like a freight train and obscure your naturally radiant and happy self. The cure is MEDITATION. I’m surprised nobody else has said this

That aside he did botch up Gallipoli, but the truth of the matter is he still had to battle it throughout.

>meditation
That invites a death spiral.

Nobody cares about women frog, get your shit in straight

other idea
play a little game with yourself:
you have one week to get at least 10 phone numbers, the more awkward the better
if you fail you have to pay a whore found online to something fucked up to you
win win, you either end up with numbers to text or in a dumb situation with a whore and lose a few hundreds ftw

>implying

I am not implying anything, now get your garbage ideas out of here, people that suffer from depression dont care about your shitty advice and they dont suffer from it because they have no women, they are irrelevant to begin with.

Anyone who isn't depressed is a low-IQ NPC.

I think getting out and about more and socializing is better for fixing depression than exercise. I know plenty of depressed folk that go to the gym but don't socialize much. Getting out can be difficult at first but after that it's easy.

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nice euro flag you pizza nigger, i bet you like bbc cuck vids too

>That invites a death spiral
Kek. Care to explain this bizarre claim? Meditation will improve your life, no matter who you are or what situation you’re in.

If you're around other people and depressed, you are hanging around with dickheads Avoid them to improve. Dont wait for them to "grow up". They won't.

If you are alone and depressed, you have hormone imbalance from plastics, cleaning products and deodorant. Use these things sparingly where possible and take pregnenolone. Its a hormone pre-cursor and your body will make out of it what ever hormones you need. Also take zinc supplements if you are male.
Also do your own research on pregnenolone.

Instructions unclear, ate gym.

90% of people are dickheads tho.

I am using it to trigger retard like yourself who cant make a proper coherent thought the moment they see the flag.

I suppose by focusing your thoughts it could help. I just a cheap distraction.

Amen. Follow this widowm user.

That's alright. You don't have to befriend everyone. If you're not already properly socialized you will find out quickly who is and isn't your friend. It's not about making friends, it's about socializing.

fpbp

im just saying the nofap + being ripped and attending church next sunday have it's limits
it's just a first step, basically peterson clean your room meme which is fine but then what
>hurr roasties nobodycare reee
>muh clinical depression
fuck off special snowflakes, im right and you know it
socialising is garbage and work and hobbies only take you so far so what's left?
romance and war, and there is no war so stop implying you don't care for love and you're so tough, especially while whining about being depressed and shit, faggots

I know a guy that is constantly fucking a lot of gorgeous beauties. He's still depressed.

I'm not saying that is not a solution, but is a particular/subjective solution. If it worked for you doesn't mean will work for everyone. We as humans are a little advanced than chimps you know.

Supplements to help stabilize your serotonin levels are nice. Beyond that, going out a lot, even for a lone walk, close to nature. I fixed myself starting with that.

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i didn't say fucking a lot of, classic fallacy
>enabler degenerate etc
i said you literally have nothing better to do than getting pussy, that's literally why you're here
denying that will only lead to neurosis and various compensations
nobody care what you draw, play, program whatever, you're not the next mozart and you're not that smart

also if you're friend feel like this he 's doing it wrong and is a degenerate, no you wouldn't be depressed if you were expecting a date this week
stop lying
only excuse for not caring is being busy sorting yourself out and becoming less of a mess to be able to do so

Focusing on one thing slowly teaches you not to pay heed to the constant negative thoughts the mind is bombarding you with. Exercise and socialisation is exactly distraction, and it’s the same reason people don’t feel depressed when they’re completely engaged in something. Meditation addresses the source of the problem, which is negative thinking - and slows it, dulls it, and ultimately silences it. Say what you will, but this is the quickest, cheapest and easiest way to get out of the cycle of depression, it requires very little effort and resources and the results are profound.

True, perhaps that is what studying the Bible does, is to focus one's mind on reflection and meditation.

this advice is even gayer than "just work out bro"
being a pathetic wagecuck should only make you more depressed

put your life on an upwards trajectory
get a job, move out, make friends who share your values

>spend less time using computer
it is a real game changer for me

Depends on personality type desu. A highly introspective person will often glean no benefit from therapy.

I turn my sadness and anxiety into hatred and anger, and when that inevitably decays, I use light meditation to balance myself again.

It's easier to deal with this way, rather than letting it fester as more illogical emotions.

some of you guys are alright and make me laugh
you might not have depression your skin might just be sensitive from broken pipes/chemical treatments -- get a serious water filter and bath with a bucket and rag

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Damn

Am i depressed if i
1 think about killing myself to escape my problems
2 instantly get better from that thought and move on?

Not true at all. Simply being able to share the load by talking about it can ease a burden. Theres more importance to the human connection than you think.

t. highly introspective person.

Using Jow Forums daily fixed my depression.

>fixing diet
working on it

>exercise
started 2 weeks ago

>fixing alcohol problems
n/a

>fixing drug problems (or trying others)
n/a

>getting out and about more
not sure how. too socially retarded.

>getting better friends
not sure how. too socially retarded.

>getting out of here
probably a good idea

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