Milk farming is dying because of organic milk?

I was reading that too. Sounded like the guy just didn't want to run the dairy farm anymore

Extremely Rural
>Locally produced milk
Rural
>Whole milk
Semi-urban
>Skim / 2%
Urban
>Basedmilk / Almond milk

Isn't whole milk not actually the full cream amount?

Something seriously wrong with America, even the most generic and cheapest milk here is what you pricks would call "organic" and only fat cunts or people who are a bit lactose intolerant drink anything else.

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I believe they skim the solids off to use for other food products. I don't know if "whole" is meant to be a specific milkfat % that they skim it down to.

Raw milk where they don't pasturize it is really good because the solids will separate out on top if you let it sit. It's a fun time when people see this who don't know that's how milk really is.

It's usually 2% or skim. The school lunch programs used to have them back in 2000 back when I was an even littler shit, but when the obesity health awareness programs came by, whole milk had to go because niglets and spiclets weighed as much as full grown adults at less than 10 years old. Didn't work of course, because most of their caloric intake came from home drinking soda and eating junk food, close to about 4500 kcal when I took a peek at the physicals.

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Wait so it was to do with when sugar companies demonized fat?
You literally gave milk up for sugar drinks and even worse the fake sugar drinks?

If you ever come for a visit, get a nice fresh carton of factory milk from the store, open it, and inhale the aroma. You'll probably be shocked we consider this to be normal.

>Something seriously wrong with America
American food is a giant experiment by biotech companies at this point

This is honestly shocking news to hear.
I had no idea people didn't even drink "organic" milk....
So does that mean Australia is leading the industry in "organic" milk and farming?

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Didn't know this stuff. Kind of seems worse imo because of the high heat treatment would kill good enzymes

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You give your cows growth hormones?
And your milk isn't sweet?

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They thought getting rid of whole milk would cut calorie counts, but no matter how healthy they made the meals, the minority kids would just keep eating snack food instead. They'd toss any remotely healthy food in the trash and bring in bags of chips from home.

I just ate whatever they had to offer. I was poor and anything tastes good when you're really hungry.

Some milk still has rhb or whatever most don't even the cheaper regular milk.

>So does that mean Australia is leading the industry in "organic" milk and farming?
Completely by accident.

Here most kids take a packed lunch to school, sandwiches, yogurt, fruit stuff like that.
there is no cafeterias.
fatties get shit like dim sims from the canteen.

>1 boomer wants to quit
>now the entire industry is dying
Farmers have been a protected class in America for like 100 years with assloads of subsidies. Maybe he should have done something else but run the same podunk farm the same way his great great grandfather did? Adapt? Diversify? This isn't the 1800s anymore.
This is like crying for all those beeper stores from the 90s.

Pretty much. I remember back when there was a bill up to regulate the amount of corn syrup put in drinks, but the entire thing got shot down because of those "Corn syrup is fine in moderation!" advertisements the corn industry spammed and lobbied every where. Meanwhile, over 60% of all foods in American grocery stores contain corn syrup, both as a sweetener and as a preservative.

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you can make organic non-fat milk you stupid dingo

That's how I grew up, but not everybody comes from that kind of a family. Schools sort of turn into government daycare centers for a large number of people.

Oh no, now farmers will make slightly less profit on top of their guaranteed subsidy pay that shelters them from any need to actually be successful or manage their inventory properly.

"organic" basically means a biotech company hasn't messed with it over here.
A lot of smaller food companies, in an attempt to be honest with consumers and avoid boycotts, have started putting "product of bioengineering" somewhere small on the packages to indicate they're using biotech ingredients

I'm fairly sure the kiwis have a larger dairy/beef sector than you aussies have, but if I'm wrong then perhaps you are.
Most Americans eat shitty frankenfood laced with all kinds of shit that the overwhelming majority don't understand.

Not too long ago schools here were tossing kids home-made lunches in the garbage and forcing them to buy school lunches, because home-made food was "unfair" to the other kids or some shit

Yeah i guess you would call our low fat milk organic too.
We call it lite milk, what you call normal milk we call skim milk.

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>Farmers have been a protected class in America for like 100 years with assloads of subsidies.
^^^This. From that article:
>...farmers don’t want subsidies; all we ever asked for were fair prices
So they're getting money for nothing to cover their losses but are still complaining about it because they want even more money from sales. What an ungrateful piece of shit.

It's government funded school lunches here. It used to be pretty nutritious because they needed soldiers to fight wars, but now it's turned into appeasement because the kids never ate a leaf of spinach in their lives and won't touch anything that ain't fried and the drank ain't purple.

The whole lot of them should starve.

I eventually learned to pack my own lunches too. Tastier and cheaper, and turns out I'm pretty good at baking my own bread, although kneading dough is a complete pain in the ass.

idk our dairy industry is worth about 4 billion per year.

>unfair
I hate empty words like that. People who believe in doing good for the sake of fairness needs to be shot by firing squad. "Fair and equitable," they say. Bullshit. It's just drag everyone down, because they'll be damned if people can't have anything good for themselves.

Yeah NZ is making twice as much milk as us, about 20 billion litres compared to 9 billion

Canada BC fag here paying $5 a gallon! Have a kid need to buy milk every day shit sucks

$1 per litre is alot for milk?
Cunt that is cheaper than petrol in your country.

Just a thought, wouldn't Organic milk be ya know, fresh milk like from the vat at the farm?

I only by Bio-Milch which indicates that the cows are held on farms where they can roam freely on grass land.

Fuck industrial farming where cows are placed in factories where they cannot even move.

This happens?
Why? the milk would be sour.
Stress a cow out and the milk tastes bad.
Oh shit is that why they make it into skim milk?

>Schools sort of turn into government daycare centers for a large number of people.
Doesn't stop there. The coddling of government daycare leads to a strange sense of entitlement and encourages bad habits to form. Right now the college student populace here is advocating to smoke weed with impunity like it's a human right to get high off of whatever they can get their hands on. They are also advocating for curved scores because they're too baked and fucked up to do anything useful.

If you've never had decent milk, you might not notice that the factory milk is indeed sour and smells rotten. I never noticed it until organic milk became common (it often still smells off, but usually a lot closer to pleasant). Now I wonder if the milk was just different when I was a child or how I managed to never notice that it flat out stinks.

They also believe free wi-fi everywhere all the time is a human right.
They also believe they should be able to have infinite days off as long as it's for protesting le Drumpf.
Then they want to be able to submit their protesting as their final assignment/thesis because it's sociopolitican and intersectional and everything is intersectional so it's OK.
Then they want to immediately have a job after college because they have a degree and have been told having a degree instantly makes you a superior human and gets you jobs.

We don't have factory farms here for cows user, and skim milk doesn't even come from them here.
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People have taken to smoking joints in full view outside on my former campus. Apparently the campus police no longer take objection to that.

Pic related is what your average australian dairy farm looks like

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My my, it's that expensive grass-fed milk like they sell at the hippie stores.

So cattle don't roam free in America?
Even our beef cattle do.

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Do farmers use beef cattle to keep land fertile?
For an example if i planted say taters in a paddock one year i would have to, rip, hoe, re seed then let cattle roam the land for about 5 years before it can be used again.

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Nah, there's plenty of acreage of free-roaming cattle. But if it's not explicitly designated as grass-fed then they're being fed something other than grass (I assume GMO s o y or GMO corn very often).

I'm not sure how commonly they are kept in freakish stall-like confinement, but a lot of our factory farming can get pretty alarming in its methods.

My university is the same. Local cops don't care either, so I've tried contacting alphabets to see what can be done in that case, and it appears that they'll only give a shit if there are enough anonymous tips or footage of gang violence for them to have a reason to take names and crack skulls.

I'm getting out in a few days. The local gangs are now comfortable with dealing within campus grounds and gunfire is now a mainstay of many late nights.

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American beef

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So cows don't live off grass, hay and silage?
All cows/steers here do.
Makes no sense not to feed them grass?
It grows year round and can be harvested, stored and fed to them and every other farm also produces it to sell.

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They're only kept in stalls when they're younger to prevent the spread of disease. As adult cows are never kept in stalls.

>gunshots
Yikes. It seems like that should be a good motivator for stings. People are still going to smoke pot and whatever else, drink in public, etc. but it's a big red flag when social norms for keeping things on the d/l slide that far.

>the milk industry is being harmed because people are starting to prefer non-industrial produced milk
>milk farming is dying
This is pilpul.

To be fair, is right. There are lots of small free-roaming cattle ranchers/farmers, but if you're buying anything that's from a corporate entity (IE Kroger Beef, Wal-Mart brand beef, etc) it's coming from a feed lot

Oh sure, there's tons of hay production and such. But there's no way to know what mixture of feedstuffs has been used if it's not labeled.

So would pic related be a strange sight in America?
Ignoring the fact that it's a b double and even the rear trailer makes yours look small of course.

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what a shit thread

They're usually feed 60% hay 40% corn, barley, oaks etc

what else do you need to add?
Its just grass, dried grass and silage is fermented grass.

wtf you are feeding them like race horses?

>an ungrateful piece of shit.
>t.neverworkedintheirlife

dairy farmers work a minimum of 70 hours a week. Milk in the morning; milk at night. Just 50 head takes a few hours to milk. Then you have to feed, take care of calfs, separate males/females, castrate, push hay, get grain, cut hay, bale, store the bales, plant the corn, harvest the corn, make sure all the water is not frozen for drinking, make sure all the cattle are heathly, separate the unhealthy, care for the unhealthy, my fucking god you probably think we don't need farmers because you get all your food from pick'n pay.

I am interested to try American meat now.

Depends where you live. I'll put it like this: it's very common to see a field full of wrapped up hay or whatever that hasn't been transported yet. But you might or might not commonly see a truck load of it going by.

They have huge piles of silage, like 5m high and 50m long. It's usually saved for pregnant cows for some reason.

the difference is organic milk = cows not fed shit and then pumped full of chemicals to keep them producing more than they should and treat infections and inflamation from overproduction of milk. Industrial farming in burgerstan is like half a step above what you would expect from chinks.

Probably because a healthy calf is a valuable asset. Interesting implication for the nutritional quality, eh?

I see that all the time. I live 100 feet from a farm.

Valuable? Maybe. You can go buy one from them for $10.

the low-fat high-carb meme has been responsible for the fattening of America for over two decades

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Depends on where you are
Where I am, it's definitely not large trucks. Normally farmers will load up round bales and transport them with their personal trucks on a flatbed trailer. That said, they're producing locally and using things locally. You don't need a semi if you're only raising 10-12 cows at a time for your immediate area.

It's not uncommon for corn farmers to bale up the stalks and sell them as animal feed. Even though they're GMO and covered in pesticide sprays etc.

because cows and sheeps and shit like that digest their food by fermenting it in their stomachs'. so id assume it makes them digest their food easier if its already fermented?

depending on the growing season. it can range from 15$ to 50$. The worse the season the more they cost. Usually you'll get to cut the fields twice and on a good year you'll get three.

Right, but farmers don't usually do things like that for no reason. So the available inference is that there's something about pregnancy and getting ROI on the calf that makes it desirable to avoid the regular feed.

>So would pic related be a strange sight in America?
why are you pretending to be so astonished? factory-farmed american cows are kept almost immobile in dim warehouses and pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, and prophylactics, fed on grey matter that is mostly compressed basedbean, grain, corn syrup, and even processed byproducts from slaughter of other animals, including skeletal muscle and neuronal tissue of other cows. then they are slaughtered with a captive bolt pistol by mexicans or obscure ethnicities brought over en masse (they brought whole micronesian islands over to the midwest to slave in this industry) and processed by somalis. the resulting cuts sit on gore-caked floors and then get the sawdust and mud hosed off them before being shrinkwrapped and frozen, sometimes with biometric microchips still embedded in the meat. it passes inspection without actual visual inspection or testing except for a tiny fraction so it seems like they’re going through the motions. then it is ingested mostly in ground and reshaped form after marination in canola or “vegetable” oil

I'd say if they knew how bad it was, over 15% of the student populace does not deserve to go to college on the government dime through grants and loans on just drug use alone.

I've talked to a few people twice my age that are sending their zoomers to college and they're shocked how bad it's gotten. One of them is now training their daughter how to use pepper foam without splattering it everywhere in a panic. My friend's sister now owns guns because criminals are no longer intimidated by women with mace. They don't use it. It's only going to get worse.

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UHT milk taste like it's burnt. Pretty much all organic milk is UHT too. You have to look for the local organic one to get a decent glass of milk.

Average size of a dairy farm is about 150 head, so the average for a family farm is likely closer to 100.
wisconsincheese.com/media/facts-stats/farm-dairy-statistics

It's more concentrated in terms on nutrients. They get more out of it per mouthful.

Because it does not happen in Australia for beef or dairy.
I thought how we farmed here was the majority not the minority.

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potato farms here have more cattle than that

Not sugar companies, the corn lobby. They're also why we had E85 gasoline forced on us even though nobody wants it. It costs less per gallon, but has less energy, so it still costs the same per mile. Corn ethanol as fuel is a stupid as fuck idea.

It's also fairly clear from the charts on that site that dairy farming isn't dying in most states. Maybe factory dairy farming in California is, but who cares?
Most milk in the Midwest is turned into cheese, so a drop in milk sales doesn't mean disaster.

If you're curios about some of the seedier sides of farming in the US, check out the documentary "Food, Inc." It's just plain interesting.

Damn there is dairy 30 miles from my house with 500,000 head of cattle.

AMERICA BAD
OTHER COUNTRY GOOD

get over yourself mate

Kept in warehouses? lmao

There will be places that do things better than you do. Perhaps not everything, but things.

*You* get over yourself.

I think he means cattle sheds, but pretty much the same thing really.

he has been shitting up this thread with his feigned disbelief. I don't think America does everything the best but him repeatedly saying WHAT!? I CAN'T BELIEVE!? its fucking annoying after the 5th time

They get fed whatever is cheapest at the time. But I'd like to see the cow that's fed on "oaks".

Here in Texas I usually see the big round bales when I drive through rural areas. Semi trailers full of square bales probably means hay that's either been stored for a few months or shipped over long distances.

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Meant oats, I just woke up.

So the cows are just kept in the milking shed?
Sounds like laziness.
You are supposed to let them out after they are milked in the morning and of a night time, sheesh.
So are cattle dogs not common in America?

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Do you have a price ceiling for milk that you legally can't sell above? That's why dairy farming is dying here, can't make enough money by volume unless you're a corporate farmer.

Nah the government steps in to make sure farmers are paid enough for milk, it is companies that fuck people over.
abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-09-05/consumer-levy-on-milk-gets-nod-from-david-littleproud/10205124