Greece

Why is it that ancient Greece is depicted as some kind of classical utopia, while today it's just sort of mediocre and full of swarthy drunkards? What the hell happened to Greece to cause such a massive shift? Did the foreign invaders simply pollute their gene pool too much?

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Turks and niggers happened

The people living there are Turks who displaced the Greeks and are now roleplaying as them.

Many of the displaced greeks moved to the north so there is a significant trace of the ancient greek genes within Albanians, Macedonians Kosovans and Bulgarians. More than the modern "Greeks" themselves.

Greeks are pure you shitskins.

science > shitskins on Jow Forums

>Many of the displaced greeks moved to the north so there is a significant trace of the ancient greek genes within Albanians, Macedonians Kosovans and Bulgarians. More than the modern "Greeks" themselves.
Is this factually accurate, or is it a case of WE?

Including the Bulgarians on there was a case of WE, but I'm serious about the rest. Albanians are the closest thing to the Greeks of old you can get.

Racial impoverishment

Isn't Albania also an impoverished nation full of swarthy folks?

albania is also shit

Greece in the classical era was divided into multitudes of city states that worshiped different gods yet considered each other part of the same race. This division led to constant conflict, which forced the Greeks to advance. Hard times lead to strong men, and Greece was constantly at war.

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based and greekpilled

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Greece was always full of swarthy drunkards, are you joking?

A hundred years ago, however, Europeans took it for granted that many Greeks and Romans were the same race as themselves. The famed 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica, published in 1911, noted that “survival of fair hair and complexion and light eyes among the upper classes in Thebes and some other localities shows that the blond type of mankind which is characteristic of north-western Europe had already penetrated into Greek lands before classical times.” It added that the early Greeks, or Hellenes, were Nordic, one of “the fair-haired tribes of upper Europe known to the ancients as Keltoi.” Sixty years ago even Bertrand Russell, the British philosopher and socialist, believed that the Hellenes “were fair-haired invaders from the North, who brought the Greek language with them” (History of Western Philosophy, 1946).

Scholars today recoil at this pre-1960s consensus. The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece, written in 1996, scoffs at the “undoubtedly dubious racial theories underlying much of this reconstruction,” but offers no theory to replace it, conceding only that “the origin of the Greeks remains a much-debated subject.” The Penguin author makes this startling admission, however: “Many of the ideas of racial origins were developed in the 19th century and, although they may have had some foundation in historical tradition, archaeology or linguistics, they were often combined with more dubious presumptions.” The author fails to list these dubious presumptions. Beth Cohen, author of Not the Classical Ideal: Athens and the Construction of the Other in Greek Art (2000), asserts that the Thracians, distant cousins of the Greeks, had “the same dark hair and the same facial features as the Ancient Greeks.”

In fact, there was a good basis for the 1911 Britannica to write about blonds in Thebes. Thebes was the leading city of Boeotia, a rich agricultural region in south-central Greece. Fragments from an ancient 150 BC travelogue describe the women of Thebes as “the tallest, prettiest, and most graceful in all of Hellas. Their yellow hair is tied up in a knot on the top of their head.” Pindar, a fifth century Theban lyric poet, refers to the Greeks as “the fair-haired Danaoi,” using a poetical name for the Hellenes. Likewise, in his Partheneia, or “Maiden Songs,” the seventh century BC Spartan poet Alcman, praised the beauty of Spartan female athletes, with their “golden hair” and “violet eyes.” He also wrote of Spartan women with “silver eyes,” meaning light gray. The seventh-century BC Greek poet Archilochus praises the “yellow hair” of one of his lovers, and Sappho — also of the seventh century BC — writes of her “beautiful daughter, golden like a flower.”

As late as the fourth century AD, Adamantius, an Alexandrian physician and scientist, wrote in his Physiognominica, that “of all the nations the Greeks have the fairest eyes,” adding, that “wherever the Hellenic and Ionic race has been kept pure, we see tall men of fairly broad and straight build . . . . of fairly light skin, and blond.” Several centuries of mixing had presumably changed the racial character of many Greeks, but blonds still survived, and Xanthos, which means “yellow” in Greek, was a common personal name.

I think my Tartar boys were the ones who made all them buildings around the world and history was just made up.

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was invaded, native population replaced

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Flat-earthers have more merit in their arguments than the niggers in this thread

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Ancient Greece was destroyed from the 600's on as the Avars, Slavs, Franks, and Turks sacked it again and again. The Ottomans effectively destroyed Greece, to the point were the Greek kingdom following independence, despite constituting Athens and the core of what was ancient Greece, was constantly in debt. It did not have the money to industrialise, and when it finally attained its modern borders and began to finally develop, two world wars happened, with the Germans wrecking Greece in World War II. As soon as the war ended, Greece was ripped apart by civil war, and when that finally ended, we entered the era of debt politics. Greece was ruled by various juntas until the 70's, who did not help the situation either. Greece honestly needs a Pinochet at this point.

t. replacement Greek

>to the point were the Greek kingdom following independence, despite constituting Athens and the core of what was ancient Greece, was constantly in debt
>Greek kingdom
>constantly in debt since BC

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The Greek kingdom was established in 1932. The Roman (Byzantine) Empire, which ruled the heart of ancient Greece until the Ottoman invasion, was the richest state in Europe for much of the middle ages, due to its extremely efficient system of taxation (Byzantine documents were carved on tablets and produced in triplicate) and prime position along the silk road.

Interesting, thanks

Sorry, 1832.

the jew gene, its the gene that causes you to backstab your friends , family , nations for the more irrational reasons . we are the proto jews

Greeks and Romans were actually Nordic, like Swedish or Norwegian

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varg is such a retard, whatever your opinion on greece is

Uhm... Romans described themselves as Swedish

Watching fucking barbarians trying to claim our heritage almost daily is really flattering.

Anyway to answer your question OP, we didn't go throught the renaissance, and as stated we have a serious nepotism problem.
We will catch up tho, so prepare your anuses.

>there is significant trace of the ancient greek genes within Albanians Macedonians Kosovars and Bulgarians
1. all those """nations""" are significantly more impoverished and swarthy than greece is since your economies and industrial growth are much worse.
2. they are also probably more lazy. Greece works more than any other EU member.
3. haven't we btfo'd, invaded, blinded and gangbanged your little shithole about 500 times already? please refrain from wewuzzing about being greek when you've been beaten by greeks in every medieval and modern conflict.

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Greeker than you Ahmed

Ancient Greeks looked like Varg. Stop appropriating Nordic heritage

It all came to an end in the 1400s when the (((Pope))) ordered a crusade against Christian Constantinople instead of the Muslims. This weakened them enough that the Muslims were finally able to take over after 700 years of trying.

The actual Greeks are gone. They're rape babies of about ten different invaders that have swept through that area

>1400s
It was the 1200s dude. My country came back to life because the Crusaders messed the Byzantines good and created the Latin Empire.

You're a retard who has never read Greek history. When they weren't fighting the Persians they were killing and enslaving each other in land and sea.

The Greeks migrated to Israel and were the true jews

do you have a source for that? name me these invaders.
hard mode: it can't be a Jow Forums infographic or an image saying "this is what the average greek looks like".

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Greeks and romans used to be Nordic aryans

>it can't be an image saying "this is what the average greek looks like".

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That'snot true. It was already proven dozens of times that greeks are the same population they were before, and that genetically turks and greeks don´t cluster.

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right back at ya mutt.

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couldn't that simply be that they have a unique admixture not at all similar to that of those surrounding areas? That doesn't mean that they remain the original Greeks

1) Successful ebling cultures attract barbarians, How meat attracts flies
2) Comfortable urban environment makes people lazy and cowardly
3) Barbarians are always bolder, harder, and more energetic than the local population.
4) Barbarians always replace and crowd out the local population.

So the Arabs replaced the Egyptians, so it was with Rome, so it will be with Europe and the United States

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>So the Arabs replaced the Egyptians
were they originally something else?

after listening to people talking about foundlings, mud floods, world fairs and that sort of thing I seriously can't take recorded history seriously.

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Ancient Egyptians were nordic

What the study showed, is that modern greeks are the closest genetically population to ancient greeks, and that they cluster in the same area, in fact modern greeks are a little bit less neolithic and cluster a liltle bit north.

This. Also ancient Chinese

>What the hell happened to Greece to cause such a massive shift?

Ottoman empire.
They are all Turks now.

Modern Greeks are simply hellenized Ottoman Christians.

Modern Greeks didn't even called themselves Greek until the late 18th century, for fucks sake.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, can you elaborate? I, too, wish to become a jaded truth knower

* stop, it is well known that egypt was founded by negros

>modern greeks are the closest genetically population to ancient greeks
that's hardly surprising and doesn't really mean much, does it?

>Modern Greeks are simply hellenized Ottoman Christians.
sauce?

Okay, this seems a bit absurd

About 500 years of ottoman empire rape/rule have wiped out the orginal greeks.
Its like how east germany is made up of slav/german muts.

see
and give me solid proof of those.

just dive into youtube looking for those topics. the topic of "giants" is another one that was obviously covered up

tartaria, foundlings, mud flood, mud fossils, ancient america architecture, antediluvian artifacts, etc.

the history dumps on Jow Forums are good too, check the archives.

Well Ethiopia was a part of the Roman Empire but thats a bit prophetic.

>that's hardly surprising and doesn't really mean much, does it?

It means that they are the same people of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle.

>sauce?
What other proof do you need? So-called Greeks aren't even a homogenous race.

Pontic Greeks are short and hooked nosed, Balkan Greeks are tall, Cypriot Greeks are swarthier, and so on.

Can be please stop this retarded Greek meme now?

>amerimutt can’t do any introspection on the media he consumes

Colour me shocked

>What the hell happened to Greece to cause such a massive shift?
If you really are American you're watching it right in front of you. Mass acceptance of homosexuality.

is this /x/-tier stuff, or is there any validity to any of it?

>It means that they are the same people of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle.
Not at all...

>this whole post
It's like if stupidity and ignorance had a baby.

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Turks are the proto Jews. Through khazaria

none of it is /x/, there is photographic and physical evidence that you can find online or in museums for it all as well as publications talking about it(particularly the giant stuff)

Would you mind posting any even vaguely respectable evidence?

no way, I don't like your attitude.

lol

look again: they are

>most genetically similar
sure
>same as
no...

If stupidity and ignorance had a baby, than it would blockade a irrelevant Balkan state because of their name.

Extra points, if that said baby would accuse other people of something ("you wrongfully claim Ancient identity") which they do themselves.

Christianity and Islam happened.

How are you posting from there. Didn't Castro ban the interwebs?

Why are keep digging your grave man. Your stupidity is showing more and more with every post.

pick up a history book you fucking asshole.

if anyone of you christfags knew the ancient greek thought, you wouldn even ask such an obtuse question.
things rise and fall and nothing lasts forever. this a d nothing else happened to the greek civilization, it will happen to the european civilization too, if it hasn't happened already.
your counter-scientific theory of the inbreeding of the greeks with the turks is just a device suitable for appropriating their culture, since you haven't one of your own. exactely what niggers do with egyptians, and that's why you are properly called snow niggers.

also curious about this

*interbreeding

rotfl, they are the same, as ancient french are related to modern french, or germans, or dutch or italians or spanish

The ancient Japanese too, the Ainu specifically were nordic people before they mixed. There was a Nordic Inca civilization in South America but unfortunately they too disappeared.

>they cluster around ancients
>they have the shortest genetic distance compared to other population groups
>therefore they are the same
these are the people I share this board with

exactly like that, to someone clusters in the same area they have to share the same somal dna, retard

>I seriously can't take recorded history seriously
>posts pictures of fake buildings made for a world fair

I can't take people like you seriously

they are the most genetically similar because they are a derivative population group, that doesn't mean they're the same, just as east germans almost certainly cluster extremely closely to west germans to the point where they're virtually indistinguishable in relative terms, but that doesn't make them the same genetic population group
holy fucking shit can anyone really be this retarded?

Ancient Greeks cluster with Norwegians

>posts really strong evidence linking ancient greeks to modern greeks
>oh no no no that can't be true they were swedish varg told me so

Jews, Turks and niggers.

>completely ignores the content of my post
>shoehorns his own bullshit in so he can argue with himself
t. shitskin

Hey guys, I feel like I wanna invade Japan. Well I do not look Japanese, but that doesn't care. But how can I do that?

Ah, I know, I simply claim my people are the DESCENDANTS of Antique Japanese. I start renaming myself with Japanese surnames. Start reviving the Old Japanese script, that no one used since 1000 years. And while I'm at it, I steal their entire cuisine and tell we invented it first.

So hey, I fool a bunch of Western moron politicians into making a war with Japan, because they'll do anything for money.

If I succeed I call it resurrection of an old empire.
If I fail, I cry about being victim of a genocide.

Let's go!

>something something about east germans and west germans bro science