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I dont think you understood. China is still the worlds worst polluter by far, and they will not stop just because you ask them so why would we

China also has to invest in green energy because you can't run an economy when your people are dying of lung cancer from all the smog. I mean its not like they're investing in renewables because they have some kind oif moral agenda. China is the worlds largest volunteer slave colony.

The worst is what they are now calling pollution isn't. Carbon dioxide is plant food. If they got their way they would kill billions of human and animal lives.

Tax breaks for industry=\=subsidy

Green energy gets the same scale of tax breaks

>Finding more is a given

That might not be the smartest strategy to go off of. Unless they already see more at a deeper and harder to access level and are developing ways to access as we speak... otherwise that is not very smart.

They will stop once fossil fuels run out. They are preparing for it. We are not.

You dunce fossil fuels are not running out. They are just inefficient to extract and get more expensive the deeper you go. Not all the oil is in the top layer of the crust. Your assumption is wrong and so is your entire argument.

Foss fuels are NOT going to run out. Only get more expensive.

Go back to school

China does not care if its workers die, they have a billion of them. Stop assigning your values to china, you will end up with the wrong answer like now.

Maybe. But the US is now energy independent thanks to shale oil. And we're shutting down our coal fired electrical plants in favor of natural gas fired hybrid cycle power plants. These uses a generator run by a gas turbine and then the heat from the gas turbine is used to fire a boiler which runs a steam turbine that turns a second generator. We've cut our carbon emissions by half and are ahead of the carbon goals set by the Kyoto Accords. Meanwhile, Texas, where they hang environmentalists, has become the US leader in green energy production, since a place were the wind blows almost constantly and the sun shines nearly all year is a great place for wind turbines and solar farms. As it is, conservative predictions estimate we have at least 150 years of shale before we start to run out.

The exact words needed.

Green energy IS the future and whoever gets it right first, will be filthy rich.
But before that one has to solve problems like the shitty state of energy storage & transfer.
How to combat the innate lack of inertia & stability that some green energy sources have.
For now, we should just focus on combination of nuclear & other renewables.

Well when Trump makes the DoJ release about 5,000 patents they intercepted we will have free energy and won't need to fuck up the earth for it.

Anything to return the Middle Easts economy back to the rug trade.

By definition they are running out - it's a limited resource and we are using it.

There's probably more deeper, how much will it cost to access it? This is where we go "I don't fucking know but I'll be gone so it won't be my problem!"

>That might not be the smartest strategy to go off of

Thing is thats what people always say, the actual total amount of the earth's surface that has been geosurvey'd is less than 11% of the total earth's surface. And in that 11%, less than 3% of it is currently being utilized for fossil fuel production.

Oil is not like liquified dinosaurs, its not as finite as people think, its fucking everywhere, in fact oil is green energy, its just green stuff from hundreds of millions of years ago, same with coal....and this planet has huge untapped reservoirs of this stuff everywhere, and even more of it at depths we can't currently drill to due to current technologies.

Oil and Coal are the biomass of hundreds of millions of years and people act like humans utilizing it for about 150 years is really gonna make a dent in it. And again we don't NEED it to last forever.

Let me put this in minecraft terms for you geeks since college seems to have been something you skipped. You don't use coal forever, but you have to use that coal to move up to better and more efficient/renewable power generation.......this is how technological progress works.

Our species has been using fossil fuels for about 150 years, on a natural technical curve, we're right where we need to be and with the technological singularity on the horizon....do you really think grousing about fossil fuels means shit all in the grand scheme of things? Are you really so jaded as to believe that people in the energy industry are against the idea of technological progress just cause oil is what makes them money? Do you have any idea who the largest investors in plasma fusion development are? Would you believe General Electric is one of them?

Shale deposits short term, offshore drilling long term

Why is this so hard for you to understand

Try and understand this. There is no hard cut off where oil stips being available. Only the price at the pump will go up slowly. Not fast. Slow.

Stop being deliberately dense.

Damnit, man. I agree with you. I am on your side! But your English is fucking frustrating.

My english is fine, you're just an idiot.

>Thing is thats what people always say, the actual total amount of the earth's surface that has been geosurvey'd is less than 11% of the total earth's surface. And in that 11%, less than 3% of it is currently being utilized for fossil fuel production.

That's actually a good statistic I did not know about that puts things in perspective, thanks. When morons like: Just say "it will last" without giving anything to back it up it's hard to take it seriously but that definitely makes it sound like it will last a lot longer.

I just fucking told you how. Shale deposits and offshore deep wells. Learn to fucking read

Except people insisted that it wouldn't last without anything credible to back it up. 'Peak oil' was invented using current oil reserves in what was it, the year 2001? We've uncovered an infinitesimally tiny amount of crude oil out of the Earth's crust. It was nothing more than sheep bleeting about the sky falling.

Explosion motors are a Jewish trick, but we will use oil until the current monetary system is destroyed.

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Guys, teslas already exist. The oil crisis is over. Just go buy a tesla or a leaf if gas is too expensive. Problem fucking solved.

Peak oil my arse

nothing of what you say is they truth.In reality your programm is to deindustrialize the west,turn the west into the 3rd world,install a supranational tax and control grid to police white people.
Germanys green energy is extremely expansive, it leads to poor people unable to pay bills for energy, it makes it harder and harder for the real industry to produce profits.With an ever shrinking tax base all the good stuff is being cut from the budget (Healthcare,infrastructure,wellfare)
Its a total mess and it will ensure that nonwhites will take over the world which will paradoxically end liberalism for good.

>Earth is still leaving last ice age
>Planet warming up is natural occurrence
>We won't be running out of oil anytime soon

The planet would be warming with or without man's influence. The real question is how much of a multiplier the additional man-made carbon is.

The real redpill is nuclear energy.

the thing is that these crazies wont allow you fusion nor oil because muh climate change.

Why dont you post the total CO2 emission of China and that China is supposed to do nothing to cut their CO2 emissions ? Clean energy in China is a sideshow which is used is special cases and to use the subsidized green energy in the West(producing windmills,solar panels)

And then the global supply of crude oil.First these outlooks always change over time because of ideology (peakoil) , the fact that deposits are not yet discovered and technology to exploit existent oil fields.
And overall there is the theory that oil is created in the crust/mantle abiotic.Which makes sense because we have examples in our solar system where hydrocarbons are created that way.

nonsense

actually they get cheaper, oil and coal decreased in price.

Even if you don't think peak oil is an immediate concern you should say you do because fuck the Arabs desu I don't want to be dependent on them

energy density is way to low for hydrogen,solar panels and windmills for a modern society.The only way is high energy physics which these crazies wont allow you to have.

youtu.be/9n3ly_gN_pM

modern gas/diesel combustion engines are a german invention , thank us later while driving your SUV.

I’m not afraid, OP. I want to make the transition to a distributed network of back-yard thorium reactors as soon as possible.

Waves power is a good potential source of green energy yet it never gets mentioned. Weird. Same with existing hydroelectric dams.

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>He doesnt know about metallic hydrogen

Pffftt hahahaha good one klaus

Nah not really. We have enough thorium to last until life on earth ends.

I'll start believing in climate change (formerly known as global warming) if:
>the solution isn't 'give billions of dollars to the government for no reason'
>banks stop lending people money to buy beachfront soon-to-be-flooded property

Bugger, should have asked my car dealer about the hydroelectric dam option

This. Why would banks lend for beachfront property if the science is settled? Do banks hate money now

For now, yes.

That is why green energy can be used as an amazing supplement for high energy production.

Private energy on the level of citizens having solar panels on the roofs of their houses is a good step towards making our energy production more green.

It all goes to the grid user

And if there's one group on this planet who absolutely know what's going on on this planet, it's the damn bankers. You can bet your last dollar on that.

...it gets mentioned all the time

Ah yes the magic grid of infinite energy storage

Theres a reason countries dont use wind power as rheir mane source

Actually, the climate hoax is the Oligarchy’s response to peak oil. Used your carbon ration up already faggot? It’s OK, the Rockefeller have some to sell.

Oil is abiogenic. It's a geological phenomenon, not a fossil fuel.

>we are going to have to make the switch eventually.
No we don't, climate change is not our enemy rather it is a tool for revenge.
I can't wait till this planet dies and takes all the niggers and jews with it.

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FPBP
The problem isn't about going to cleaner energy sources. The problem is that all current treaties shit only on white countries, fine them for their efforts, while giving money and encouraging non-white countries to develop however the fuck they want.

the solution is to couple advanced nuclear reactors with plants thats produce fuel from coal.Hence there wont be any dependence.

I work for a major player in the energy sector. Renewable business solutions and wind energy generation is our biggest growing sector. In fact, we get so many requests, especially from oil rich countries like the UAE, that we neex to keep expanding very quickly to be able to catch all those renewable shekels.

Renewables are a booming business. Except if you are living in Trumpland, where they rather subsidize a dieing horse until the industry is too far behind to be competitive in the future markets.

oh jesus we talking magnitudes of energy density larger than anything chemistry could ever do.Thats why nukes are much more powerfull than chemical explosives.They most energy is stored in the nucleus(pyhsics) not in the electrons (chemistry).There is no way to reach the energy density with chemistry.

Get fucked op. There are enough EASILY ACCESIBLE fossil fuels to last another 200-300 years. And with exploration constantly finding more, new technologies making drilling more efficient, it isn't outrageous that fossil fuels could last until another milenium.

The true black pill

Good.
Just filled up for 1.78 a gallon last weekend.

We need oil and other fossil fuels like coke for other important uses too. Why would you use those valuable resources to just burn them for energy, when other means are accessible?

You do realize that coal for example is not even that cheap, right? Natural gas beats it, and is better for the environment too. I get where your standpoint is coming from, but it only makes sense to use the fossil resources for other uses, when there are alternatives available for pure energy generation.

Basically yes, it makes me happy that even if the jew wins and white people becomes extinct they are also going to die in the long run due to this place becoming uninhabitable in a couple of years.
That's why climate change truly is our greatest ally.

sure ching chong. Zhong Guo bu hao!

Just be careful that the reductions in co2 were not due to economic activity being crushed post 2008. That is exactly what the left wants to happen.

Liberal doomsday ecobullshit (in chronological order)
1) global cooling
2) acid rain
3) peak oil
4) global warming
5) climate change
6) man-made hurricanes and tsunamis
7) Trump-made hurricanes

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Green activist are nothing but cryptocommies
They desire to punish successful people for their "original sin" - polluting the nature.
BUT ONLY IN WHITE FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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>fossil fuels
rockefeller marketing lies

youtube.com/watch?v=2cUg3lDgJ20&t=

>you can't run an economy when your people are dying of lung cancer from all the smog
you realize China asked Reagan to nuke them to help with population?

Why don't we all just stop shipping oil to East Asia? They're by far the biggest polluters and don't need it for anything but slaving over consumer goods in factories.

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>all we have to do is make food production 4x as expensive wothout labor costs
>all we have to do is make rules that apply to us and not our competitors
>all we have to do is raise the retirement age to 80 years old to finance it
>the planet is going to die when the sun explodes

Am I forgetting anything

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Thats an argument i can agree with but still ...there is enough coal,oil and gas.There is no need to make energy mor expensive.Germany is a country that needs cheap energy because we import raw materials and make them into usefull stuff like a Mercedes Brabus.The most precious recourse are the german people.

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>energy independence
wtf does this even mean jesus christ liberals if you can't even fucking understand science please stop trying to act smart

>preserve rainforests
rainforests are preserved thanks to the lumber industry, its in their interest to replace and get new raw material because they NEED Their raw material, they are not stupid, you don't kill the only cow that gives you milk, you seek to take care of it and make it give birth to replacements.

>sustainability
subjective. we are pretty fucking sustainable right now

>green jobs
meme worthless jobs that don't even exist and they only are mentioned to lure children into studying useless worthless easy careers and get that sweet student loan money

>livable city
i can live in my city already

>renewables
wtf is this even

>clean water, air
blame the governments

>healthy children
we have more than enough children already. if anything, we need to see more of them die, specially third worlders

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are my based russian fren....

Lol you guys are so wrong about China

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The only solution to climate change is genocide.

Haha pretty much every taxi in Shanghai is electric, the gov are giving massive tax breaks for hybrids and electric cars, and they are opening more nuclear power plants than anywhere else in the world. They are honestly leading the way, whereas the UK and Europe is fucking scared of nuclear energy because of a 9.1 earthquake. Fucking retarded man. Brit here who’s living in Shanghai, this place is so far ahead of Manchester, Liverpool and most of London. It’s crazy

>no y-axis
this is some high-quality information

Be a pal and show us how that's done, using yourself of course. Every journey starts with a first step, right?

>Lol you guys are so wrong about China
that happened, I have the transcripts on that call and was in the SS when it happened

a bold play on China's part, letting Reagan know they could give a fuck if they got nuked and it would probably help

problem is that vulcanos spout pout magnitude more co2 tha all humankind

and makes plant more drought resistent.

Shale motherfucker.

Also im not against renewable energy, its just not at all fucking effective yet aside from Damn, which the left dont like, and tidal taps, which they are also against for some reason.

Now why could that be???

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