what does Jow Forums think of basic income? i had some random thoughts on it the other day.
oxygen and sunlight are like basic income. There exists a world which could be conceived of in which you have to pay for oxygen tanks, and you live underground so you also have to pay for UV/light. but in reality there happens to be enough oxygen on the planet that most species have not evolved the behavior of hoarding it. It is recycled through chemical processes so there is no fear that it will disappear. and organisms put oxygen and carbon dioxide and other gases back into the atmosphere to allow other species to do with it what they will.
Is it rational to fear that people will take money from this basic income pool and never recycle it back into the community? I think not, because that person knows that the pool exists, so he won't have the desire to hoard his money. He'll go spend it in the community, trusting that the river of money will keep flowing.
Are they not teaching about the tragedy of the commons in school anymore?
Lincoln Cox
they do. the difference in 2018 is that we now have material abundance, we just need to figure out how to distribute it.
take a look at community food forests
Levi Wood
No. Just no. Maybe air and sunlight are free, but people's work and resources (which also require work) are not, because it requires strength and willpower many people wouldn't want to waste for free. The faster you stop believing in commie utopias, the better.
Michael Rivera
... can I get some references to anyone talking about how we have a material abundance in the wake of modern societies? Last I dipped my toe into the subject of scarcity, we are planning for a diminishing collection of natural resources, not a proliferation of them.
BTW, community food forests are a flat joke when it comes to actually solving resource problems. About the only publications I've ever come across that talk about successful community farming come from the study of their use in Cuba, and even in that dank as shit environment, where the state can push these incentives, it just barely met the needs of a community.
Benjamin Brooks
we don't have full material abundance yet but we're approaching it and most essentials can be recycled, oil is the big sticking point to that obviously
Nathaniel Reed
Eh I think it will have to happen at some point if automation becomes big.
Gabriel Reyes
OP, take your communist bullshit and fuck right off
Evan King
oxygen is not free. plants put in work to do photosynthesis. they do it for the benefit of the ecosystem though, because it happens to work out that the ripples will come back to benefit them.
the people that would receive free money are being given slack so that they might be able to establish a better social system within their communities, rather than each be suppressed by monetary concerns. then they would be paying people back by greatly improving society. yes, a small percentage of people would become hedonists and alcoholics, but those would be such a small percentage that it's worth the investment. humans actually like to be responsible and serve their fellow humans
