Okay, I know that PLENTY of you sad fucks have had girlfriends or at least had sex

No because their body language and the manner of conversation between us very much suggests they are not interested in going on a date with me.

It doesn’t help that a lot of the girls I met one or two years ago I wanted to date but never asked out because they never seemed to show romantic interest. Now it’s too weird to ask them out because we’ve been strictly platonic friends for too long.

I’m British, not American. Over here our culture means it’s VERY weird for men to just randomly ask out women. No one does it like that. Everyone I know who dates girls either uses Tinder OR if they do it in real life it’s via naturally flirting with girls at parties and THEN asking them out. I can get matches on tinder but no dates, and I’m utterly awful at flirting

Also this: You're more likely to get a one night stand than a relationship or even a date out of it, but I've met plenty of girls that way.

I’m over thinking it because this is my obsession. Since the age of 16 all I’ve been able to think is “why don’t women want to date me”

Why is it that my whole life is perpetually becoming better and happier, EXCEPT my dating life? No matter how much self improvement I do, women still won’t view me as a potential partner

I’m tired, user. Sick and tired. Sick of seeing men more socially awkward or worse dressed than me getting dates. Sick of busting my balls at becoming the best man I can be only to be as virginal and dateless as I was at 16. When does it end? When is my turn? When do I get to partake in the fun?

Legit, just ask.
You'll get rejected and ignored frequently. You'll be lied to often. And you'll be accepted occasionally.

I don’t get this constant mantra that “you have to have 100 rejections before you have one success”

No. That’s nonsense. I don’t know ANYONE who’s been rejected even a quarter of that many times. Everyone I know who is dating or in a relationship says it “just happens”. They were at a party or in class and it “just clicked” between the two of them

Now, considering I am very social, enjoy trying new things, and always say yes to an invite, and yet have NEVER “just clicked” on a romantic level with a girl, the conclusion I’ve come to is there must be something wrong with me on a deep and subconscious level. Either that or Satan has cursed me

>I’m British, not American. Over here our culture means it’s VERY weird for men to just randomly ask out women. No one does it like that. Everyone I know who dates girls either uses Tinder OR if they do it in real life it’s via naturally flirting with girls at parties and THEN asking them out. I can get matches on tinder but no dates, and I’m utterly awful at flirting
Okay. Since you get matches on Tinder and suck at flirting, don't bother texting on it at all. Just say something like
>Hi, I'm (Name of British user that can't ask people out randomly because that's American). I'm off on (Insert Date of British Week Here). Let's go have some fun at (Insert British Location Here).
I'm not certain if days and locations differ culturally. Good luck.

>I don’t get this constant mantra that “you have to have 100 rejections before you have one success”
> I don’t know ANYONE who’s been rejected even a quarter of that many times.

Probably because no one has ever said that and it's something you made up just now.

I’ve never tried such a blunt approach. I’ll give it a go

Oh, come on. Just because you haven’t said it doesn’t mean others haven’t

People have given me that kind of advice countless times. In those exact words. “For every 1 date you get you’ll face 100 rejections”. It’s a bullshit platitude invented by PUA gurus. I’m fed up of it. Admit that the vast majority of people in relationships were just lucky

or maybe it's not meant to be literal

My rebuttal isn’t meant to be literal either

Look, the fact is that most human beings do not have to bother labouring for years on end, bearing their soul and risking crushing rejection after rejection just to get a glimpse of a date. Most human beings naturally get into relationships.

What is it specifically about me that means the natural method simply will not work for me?

>No because their body language and the manner of conversation between us very much suggests they are not interested in going on a date with me.
Found your problem. Saved me some typing.
Unless you are Don Juan most girls aren't going to give you obvious overt signs they are into you. Hell they might not even be into you until after a couple dates. While others might give you signs without even meaning to. Remember most woman are more pussy than men at dating but also aren't as desperate and fixated on it as Jow Forums. Women are a numbers game. The best if the best are below MLB batting averages. So hitting 0.2 when you only swing at "overt signs" will get you wizard status. You are clearly making excuses for yourself with "well in europe etc!" I to suck at flirting and randomly asking a girl out does seem weird. So instead when you meet them ask their number in a very casual way. Even if you weren't that flirty and it seemed platonic it is a whatever. Then use the number to grab coffee. At this point it is hard not to be obvious about your attempt so if it goes well ask her on a date.
You hardly seem out if left field asking a girl her number or for coffee and everyone will think that is fine. Even after a platonic encounter. There is no reason not to try it on a girl you have known for a long time, but I don't have the balls to do that either so I will let it slide.

You sound like a spoiled entitled little kid. If it's not obvious to you why you aren't getting laid then try to imagine a girl reading what you are typing, they'd be freaked the fuck out and threatened. Even though you might not say it in real life they can sense your tension, desperation, and inexperience.

This is who those incel shootings happen.

>My rebuttal isn’t meant to be literal either

Your original complaint was "WOW!!! NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN REJECTED 99 TIMES IN A ROW OUT OF A HUNDRED THIS NUMBER IS NOT REALISTIC AT ALL!", it was very much a gripe with the literal statement of there being a 1% success rate.

>Most human beings naturally get into relationships.

yeah and most of those relationships naturally end with a ugly break up after 6 months if even that long

you're focusing too much on yourself and thinking that you're not normal, to the point where you probably did placebo yourself into becoming abnormal, just relax and fucking ask a girl out to the movies god damn stop thinking about it

>why cant I get a date
>have you tried asking girls out?
>well no but...
Everytime with this board.

>i'm a mindreader
OP, don't listen to condescending bullshit like this.

The only time I ever asked a girl for her number, she laughed at me. I’m not even joking. Just giggled and then whispered something to her friend.

That shit is traumatising. THATS why I try to wait for overt signals. I don’t want that kind of humiliation again

Yeah I understand it’s weird and creepy. But me never having been on a date at 22 is weird and creepy too. Weird and creepy situations create weird and creepy thoughts.

Years of involuntarily datelessness have made me just a little bit insane. If I had dated like a normal person between 16 and 22 I would be perfectly well adjusted, because I don’t have much else to complain about. I’m a lucky guy. I live a good life aside from my datelessness

I don’t mind having an ugly break up. I just want to live and experience it

Everyone has bad relationships. Let me experience them. I want to experience heartbreak. I want to have a girlfriend who I fall madly in love with and then cry my eyes out when we break up. That is literally what I want. I’ll learn from the experience and I’ll grow from it

If everyone only ever had perfect relationships, life would be fucking boring. I want the real stuff. I want to feel all the emotions

You have a really bad view of this. Ironically you are the one with the PUA bullshit attitude. Nobody is labouring for years and "risking gut wrenching rejection."
It's honestly not much work at all. You should just talk to people, because humans are social creatures and it's what they do. And if you talk to one that happens to be female, doesn't make you blow your brains out and is half fuckable, ask her number after. It takes like two seconds, no effort and there is literally nothing to lose and no risk outside your own head.
user I'll tell you a story, when I was 16 and learning to drive I made a poor decision to lane change in an intersection. At the next light the guy screamed at me in front of tonnes of pedestrians I felt so awkward sad and embarrassed, when I got home I cried. Anyone I tell that story to goes "who cares" "what an asshole he was" or "well you were just learning" nobody cares or even gets why I was so embarrassed. About 7 years later some dude bitched at me on the highway so I went the whole exit infront if him at 20km/h with my middle finger extended out the window. I was over it in about 5 minutes.
The reason you think all these people got "lucky" or nobidy faced this level of rejection is because of omission. Nobody wants to tell the story if striking out or relive the first time some girl laughed at him. That is a bad first experiance but it is better than a fake number or a real number that just only replies once. Nobody other than the most retarded incel would actually hold that against you, think less of you or even really care.
You are saying you went up to bat and swung at the most obvious ball, got laughed at. Resorted to never swinging and wondering why you strikeout.

You pretty much just pointed out your problem. The fact that you didn't have a girlfriend makes you miserable and desperate, and trust me, looking for a gf in that state won't do you any good.

You have to be satisfied with your life to be able to take care of a girl properly, let alone get one. A girl wants a guy who's happy as he is, and to be able to share that happines and satisfaction from life, and not some desperate guy who claims that only when he gets a gf he'll be completely satisfied.

I have this feeling that you see your life like a video game- you've unlocked all the achievements except for one - be in a relationship. And you're sure that as soon as you get that achievement you'll be completely happy. Well, that's not the case.

This desperation is an issue you'll have to take care of before you can start dating properly/getting in a relationship.

Desperation is unattractive.

This.
I'm desperate but I learned to mask it by being dead inside.

I am satisfied with my life. I’m satisfied with everything except the fact that I can’t get a date

It would be different if I was a shut in, or fat, or unhygienic, or dressed badly, or was a NEET. I’m not any of those, I’m just a normal guy. The fact that I get matches on Tinder with attractive girls proves that on paper and appearance wise, I must be a decent catch. But for whatever reason the moment I start speaking, whether over text or in person, it’s “nope”. How am I meant to be happy about that? I don’t even know what I’m doing wrong. It feels like god himself is torturing me. Almost as if this is my punishment for sins in a past life

From your original post you're clearly really mad and unsatisfied about the fact that you can't find a gf.

That's the spirit that I talked about. You have to be able to deal with the fact that you currently don't have a girl, and only then you can start looking for the problem with your dating and talking skills.

Yes, you can be a little dissatisfied with the fact that you can't progress much with women despite your normal looks. But from what you wrote you're completely broken down because of it, and that's not okay.

Practice makes perfect. Talk to more girls, try to be more interesting and seducing, and instead of just getting frustrated if you fail to get anywhere, try to learn from your mistakes, and next time see how you can improve.

Every party has a whore that will at least suck your dick for a couple shots.

Your totally stupid hooker and 2018 girls are the fucking same.

What you need for the hooker 300$ one :

1st money
2 decent looking
3 intelligent enough to find a good one

What you need for a 2018 girl

1- be ryan gosling or some famous mofucker
2 or look good pkus activities wich means you need at least 100 thousand per year
3 or be as fucking funny as dave chappelle

Its an endless need to entertain them for no real reason because their vapid company suck....

You better pay for pussies it actually means the fucking same

I can’t deal with that fact. Sorry. It tears me up inside and it always has. The sadness I feel from being unable to attract even one woman is so overwhelming. It’s something you could only know if you’d experienced it yourself. I’ve never known a lonelier feeling.

You have to understand. This has ruined my life. I will never be normal now. I did everything “right”, so to speak, and yet I was still the only person in my social circles to never get a date, never get a partner, never have sex. I’m the only one. I feel cursed. Like this fate was thrust upon me unwillingly. It really has changed my life profoundly, and not in a good way.

I want nothing more than to be free of this. Honestly. I wanted to, and should have, reached these milestones years ago. But here I am, 22 years old, never been on even one date. Ugh. I never wanted this to happen. This was my worst nightmare when I was a teenager, and it actually happened.

You’re an idiot. Please don’t come to my thread with your aimless Reddit MGTOW ramblings ever again.

I’m not interested. I want to be part of mainstream society, not separate myself from it.

Where the hell are you meeting all these 2018 women? Sounds more like that class slut that I had back in highschool, and everyone could fuck her as long as she was wasted at some party.

Dude, I'm in the same situation, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Sure, I feel lonely sometimes, but I know in my mind if I went out there tomorrow and went to a bunch of clubs, events, etc, talked to random women, asked for their numbers, at least one fucker would say yes, and then of those people, they could develop into dates.

All it is is talking to people. If you can talk to women like they're human, you can get numbers. This is the fundamental truth: women are PEOPLE, just like men. If you talk to a man, have a great chat, maybe you wanna become friends with him, so you get his number to hang out sometime. It's the same fucking shit.

You're overthinking this to the nth degree. Trust me.

>Believe in yourself.
You faggots talk like underage girls.

I will say this once... In your town or any town, there are at least 5 single good looking milfs that would die to fuck a 22 years old virgin.

Dude, I know how you feel.

I see you're really depressed about this, but you have to understand that having a woman is not everything in life.

Back when I was 18, I would go on different sites and post threads just like yours, pouring my soul about how I deserve a girlfriend that'll love me, and about how I don't understand where I went wrong. Sometimes I'd write them with tears in my eyes. I just felt lonely in this world, despise my friends and my family.
I was working out for almost 11 months at the time, and I was looking good. I also just finished working at a summer camp, and really developed my social skills there, not to mention that I made my first female friends there. I felt that I did everything that I had to do, but time passed and I still was single. I

I'd talk to girls a lot, some even complemented my shape and told me how nice they think I look, but nothing happened afterwards. With all the girls I knew, I felt that none if them were interested in me at all. Most of the time I acted as if everything was good, but sometimes I'd get depressed as fuck about it (kinda like you)

Then one day I talked to my friend about it. He told me two things - 1. Women just don't deserve the pain that you experience. You can't know what kind of a relationship you'll get into, and unless you're satisfiend with your like as it is, a relationship won't make you much happier.
2. You don't try hard enough. Sitting and complaining is easy, what you have to do is get outside and start practicing.
Doesn't matter what you say, the more you do something, the better you get at it. So what you have to do is to find a guide on how to be an interesting person, how to be charming, seductive, and go out and talk to women. Yes, you'll get rejected a few times. Deal with it, you're a man ffs, it'll be worth it in the end.

I stopped being depressed about the fact that I don't have a gf yet, and just lived my life, seeing a gf as someone I may be able to enjoy life with one day. So I went to bars on weekends and just tried flirting with girls for a year and a half. I learned from trial and error, slowly got better, learned how to deal with rejections. One day I was at a coffee shop, and the barista caught my eye. Using the skills I learned, I got her phone number, and we're dating for 5 months now.

Tinder, drop your standards fuck a hog, literally the easiest shit in the world.

I just feel that this is beyond me.

Occasionally I do start to make peace with it. At the beginning of 2018 I was in a really good place, I was content with things, I focused on college, hobbies and my friends and tried my hardest to not think about my virginity. Coincidentally in this period of time I drunkenly made out with 3 girls. Before that I’d never even kissed.

But the seething resentment and bitterness always comes back. I look at my peers effortlessly attracting women and think “what on earth have they got that I don’t”. I can’t even go on Jow Forums or similar sites anymore really because even here there are countless people talking about their girlfriends or exes and it makes me really upset.

Every girl I’ve ever messaged on tinder has ghosted me

Ditch tinder. Women on the internet get flooded with male attention.

My success rate with women online is

You are male. You have to do the first step or you die as virgin. No woman ever will "show interest in you". It is your job to show interest in her instead.

>be me
>23 y
>male college undergrad
>met this qt 3.14 who is a friend of a course colleague
>I already opened myself to the idea of sex couple years before but decided to do nothing active about it since 20 y is a fuckton of time already so whatever waiting more
>anyway, we talked. A lot. She is funny and into some hippie shit but hey she smiles and she's cool
>not my type at all but still cute
>ride bus back with her, wasn't even my bus but I lived in a central zone so whatever bus I take leads me home somehow
>end of trip she literally stole a kiss from me
>next meet up kisses more
>suggests a motel
>motel found virginity lost
>6 months of daily cute and sexy shit

it wasn't just non-stop sex but the entire shit. literally a gf fallen from sky on my lap

dont give up user

I'm just scared I'm gonna end up alone. I'm a 24 year old virgin and girls hate inexperience. I try to not let it bother me, but I feel like a constant loser and failure because of it. I'm considering just giving up and becoming that weird bachelor uncle that never marries.

Heh. Its the opposite for me. Too bad for them I'm chaste

You are not just one step from him after all.

it's genuinely disturbing how self obsessed you are

You'll get over it at one point. You seem normal and I can somewhat emphatise with you but some people have it worse. I dont mean this as a "waa I have it harder than you, pity me pls!" but I had the same troubles as you (Im now 24).
I had not and still have not gotten any meaningfull attention or affection from any girl or woman to this day despite best of my efforts. Few years back I was tearing at night due to it. It took few visits to a psychologist to unravel the truth - got diagnosed as autistic.
Then it all made sense, my whole fucking life made sense in blink of an eye.
I was broken by that revelation and dwelded in my thoughts for weeks until I came to conclusion - I literally cant be around people or understand them one bit and best bet to keep my sanity is to leave anything relationship related behind.
Sometimes you just have to admit hard things. I'm mostly over it, I dont seek company any more, it is best for me and it is best for the others.
That is my story but you should not give up, some are late bloomers, some have their chances later and unfortunately some are left out.
It is no just world.

>I'm considering just giving up and becoming that weird bachelor uncle that never marries.
Tfw 25 and I'm almost beginning to accept that's my fate

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Ask them on a date, seriously. It'll be a sad time when you get rejectedand you'll bear the consequences your whole life but I'm pretty sure you'll find a girl. At least you have interactions with girls and thus solid opportunities to ask them to a date. You really can't know if they like you especially if you are socially underskilled. Just don't ask girls who meet you for the first time/haven't remembered you the first time you met them. And go for the loud girls my personal tip.

Is there any way to make a girl like me again?
We started hanging out two months ago and ever since our last date our relationship grew sour,we barely ever text eachother anymore,we used to text eachother everyday back in the first month we met,our meetings are always awkward and end up feeling strange and we barely see eachother again
Is there anyway i can rekindle our relationship? I would declare myself to her this saturday but i didn't have the guts to do it because it just felt incredibly awkward around her

>girls hate inexperienced
sorry but my gf doesn't bother that I'm inexperienced.
>tfw asked 50 girls out and failed, and then one girl approached me

My sophomore year (a few months ago) of hs I preyed on beta girls that no chads would go after. Usually I just messaged them and made them feel important. This worked for like three girls and they ended up falling for me. I'm not very good looking myself but neither were they. I did this to a 5.2/10 girl once and actually dated her for a week only because I was horny and she was known for.being a slut. I fucking regret it so much. I regret giving my first kiss to someone like that. I regret manipulating these girls. Feelsbadman

Just wait for the right one user, put yourself out there. Be yourself because if they don't love u for who u r they aren't worth it. Or just hook up with sluts, ur call user.

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it being an obsession may or may not have something to do with you being denied constantly, don't you think
I never wanted a girlfriend really and I've almost always had someone vying for my attention

>I have tried everything
>I have tried so hard
100% of the time this means "I haven't done shit and never asked a girl out and expect them to find me in my basement".

You live in a basement, user? That's not healthy, you should go outside and get some Sun.

Not me, but incels usually do.

Yeah, I kinda figured you were an incel. That's ok if that's what you like.

You sound confused. I am about as far from an incel as can be. Did my comment trigger you and make you buttmad because you realized it's true, being the incel you are?

OP here

You’ve evidently read absolutely nothing that I wrote. I’m not a shut in. I’m very socially active. But none of my female friends, acquaintances, or even random women at parties show any interest in dating me. Not everyone fits in to your neat little “incel” box.

Not interested in finding “the one” at the age of 22. I just want to find someone. I want to get the experience in and then in 10/20 years I can meet a life partner.

You don’t get it. I refuse to live a life of celibacy. That is fundamentally against everything I stand for as a human being

This is my life struggle. For whatever reason the powers that be decided I must struggle into adulthood with my virginity. I either win that struggle, or I die. No other options.

I don’t mind doing the first step. I just want a girl to show me a sign first. Something, anything.

How can I be expected to have the bravery to ask girls on dates when any conversation I have with women is 100% platonic and they don’t even bother light flirting with me?

You need to be funny. Girls want to spend time with people who make them laugh. Another thing they do is notice how you interact with other people, if you are good enough at having fun with or at people then you'd be fine. Don't act like you're better than other people though. It doesn't hurt to shoot them a glance every now and then to let them in on the joke too. As long as you aren't creepy about it you'll be fine, confidence and whimsy are key.

But I don't know shit, I just got dumped.

I thought that I already did all of these things

Please give me a very specific, step by step guide on how you got your girlfriend. Please

I'm not going to be too specific but we were hanging out with a bunch of friends and I was talking shit, later we plotted together how to steal someone's phone to change their Facebook and then we got absolutely trashed at my house and hooked up.

Seriously, sounds like all you need to do is make a girl your ally in some kind of scheme, it's like an inside joke except it brings you closer together quicker.

I just don’t understand how this happens. How do you have totally normal interactions with girls and then “just suddenly hook up”?

I feel like I’m missing the part of my brain that allows a man to be sexual and flirty. It’s just totally gone. I can’t do it

I can’t take this anymore. Every single day I’m in agony at my inability to attract women

just get a dating coach and don't be a cheap complaining asshole.
if you are lucky he will expose you to the hard feedback that you need to actually do the corrections to your vibe that will make you attractive.

highschool is over and your parents didn't teach you how to win that scene.

what makes you think you will have it easier after 20?

The best tip i ever got was not putting too much efford into getting a grirfriend just live your live the best you can and girls will come to you on their own

That’s what I’ve been doing for 6 years and the girls have never “just come on their own”

Stop giving me this ridiculous non-advice

the sad thing is that your life is only about getting a partner

>No. That’s nonsense. I don’t know ANYONE who’s been rejected even a quarter of that many times.

then it means it works better than advertised, doesn't it ? just keep trying.

Try to be honest, what are your looks/10, what's your work/study/financial situation, what are your hobbies, do you have a wide social circle? In General sense, aside from personality/behaviour related things, are you objectively attractive to have a gf?

You sound incredibly desperate. No woman wants that. Women go after men who have proven themselves to desired by others. That's why it's so much easier to attract while you're in a relationship. You're not desperate because in the back of your mind you're thinking, if you miss out on this one, you can just go back to your girlfriend. Morally this is wrong and it doesn't mean men will act on it, but it's still what's going on in their brain. So your desperation is actually just hindering your chances at attracting a girl.

Normally I wouldn't recommend a prostitute but it's exactly what you need. This shouldn't be taken as an insult but I don't think you're as confident as you say you are. You are probably the kind of person you speaks over others and blurts out their own opinions all the time. Maybe some videos on social interaction could help out.

A large part of it is. Like I said, this is my obsession. Since the age of 16 I have been meticulously planning almost my entire life with the end goal of getting a girlfriend or at least having sex

I can’t objectively rate myself. I just know that I am successful on Tinder, as in I get a lot of matches with girls I find attractive, but then they just aren’t interested when I start messaging.

I’m a college student so don’t work full time. Academically and socially successful, relatively fit, I play sports, I’m a member of a student theatre company. All things that have given me a great social life but for whatever reason no success with women

Confident yet shrieking with insecurities... LOL

My story is a bit old, but I guess some of the things still apply.
I had an eye on this girl, really pretty and I liked her personality.
Did a lot of things to get her attention, but she hated me.
But I talked to her friends and through that, I got to talk to her.
I asked her out one night along a lot of friends, but they all cancelled except for her.
We walked, talked and eventually kissed.
I knew I wanted to be with her a long time before this night and I suspect she knew when she accepted to go out with me even though nobody else came.
But I don't think there was a single moment that made it happen.
It was several moments leading up to it.
We were together for a bit more than a year, but eventually drifted apart because we both moved to different cities and an LDR where you only meet to have sex is not fun for either party.

How did you get her to go from “hating you” to kissing you?

I just don’t get it. This is like an alien language to me

The usual "I'm like this only on a Nepali wood carving online forum, in real life I'm the complete opposite" excuse.

rape..rape..and rape

From your self assessment it seems like you should be attractive enough to get laid with at least someone from an outside perspective. With that in mind I'd just suggest trying to go to parties/gatherings/events where you'll be drinking with women there drinking too. It sounds kind of bad but it is a lot easier to hook up with girls when you've both had a few drinks in you. Just try to make sure you're as drunk or more than the girl you're going for is. Don't be the creepy sober guy hitting on drunk chicks or the guy that rapes a chick that's blacked out. Yeah you might embarass yourself while drunk at some point, but if you're at least average on the attractiveness scale and looking to hit on girls in these kind of situations, you'll score once you put yourself in these situations enough times.

You’re not understanding me. I’m NOT a shut in.

I’ve been drinking around women since I was a teenager. Yes, it helps me loosen up and be funnier and more interesting, but it has NEVER eased my nerves when trying to flirt with girls.

I’ve had three drunken kisses and that’s it.

What stopped you from progressing from the drunken kisses into at least some hand action or something? If it gets to the point of a drunken kiss what was stopping you from taking it further?

Okay well one of them was a classmate of mine who I bumped into at a party and then randomly had a burst of confidence after 20 mins chatting and we made out for a bit. But then 5 mins after that she was making out with another guy so I thought “fuck her”

The other two were girls I met in a club and I was way too drunk to remember to get their numbers

Also I’m terrified of sex because I’m 100% certain I will be awful at it first time and I don’t want to embarrass myself. I deliberately avoided escalating too far with these girls because I wanted to avoid embarrassment. As I see it, the only way I can lose my virginity without embarrassment is if I start dating a girl and then confide in her that I’m a virgin so that she understands beforehand

Stop trying so hard. Literally all of my past exploits and conquests have been with women who came onto me first. You're coming off too desperate and too lonely

>Also I’m terrified of sex because I’m 100% certain I will be awful at it first time and I don’t want to embarrass myself.

Well, there's your problem I think. If your desire for sex outweighwed your fear of performing badly then you almost definitely could have escalated at least one of those girls to something sexual. Is there a reasonable basis for your fear of performing badly, or is it 100% in your head?

>That shit is traumatising.

So really you're not as confident as you say, if you get PTSD of that. Learn to take a hit, fucks sake. Learn to deal with rejection first. You should be able to brush that off and walk away no problem, if you're truly confident.

Letting simple shit like that get to you, you'll never be viewed a man. This type of sperg oozes from your pores, they can smell it.

When I was 18 I tried to make out with a girl and kinda failed. My friend made fun of me and said it “looked like I was trying to eat her face off”. It took me 3 years after that to gain the courage to try and kiss a girl again, because my friends words tormented me so much

I just have this fear that I’m going to be in bed with a girl, about to have sex, and I just won’t know what to do. Like I’ll fumble around, not know where to put my arms or legs and shit, not know how to thrust properly. Also the experience would be so intense I wouldn’t be surprised if I had a panic attack or something. I’ve never been that physically close to a woman

you sound like a little bitch that's why you'll never be physically close to a woman. who the fuck cries for 3 years over some shallow banter. it's even about "manning up", women wouldn't even do this. Go see a therapist.

There’s plenty of sad mother fuckers who still get girlfriends. There’s a guy with a thread up right now crying because he’s “lost another girlfriend” by being an autist gamer.

Why is it just me who can’t get a date? Why can every other sad case get a GF but I’m the one dude who is condemned to eternal datelessness?

You don’t even understand. It took me so much courage at that age to try and kiss a girl. My friend making fun of my technique was soul crushing. It was like he was confirming my fears by saying “you’re just as terrible at kissing as you thought you would be”. How am I meant to get over that? It was like my world crashing in around me

dude at the end its trial and error

try stuff, dont care too much, dont be desperate, dont lie to yourself, try to always improve yourself

also its a game of luck, there is a certain chance that someone likes you, the more people you talk to the higher the probability to end up with someone who likes you

also if you cant be single and happy you got to achieve that first before going into a relationship

trust me you got to be able to love yourself

I do love myself

If I had a normal dating and sex life I’d be a very confident guy. I like the way I look, I think I’m an intelligent, talented and funny guy. All that’s missing is women

I'm the guy you replied to here, guy calling you a little bitch is someone else.

Do you watch porn? I know porn isn't entirely realistic but if you watch it you at least know enough about the mechanics of sex to be able to do it fine. Same with kissing really, just copy what people you've seen doing it did and you should be ok. If it's with a hookup does it really matter anyway? I would say there would be more pressure to perform with a gf. With a ons who cares if you fuck it up you'll never see her again anyway. There's really no pressure.

And really your friend ripping into you for the girl, I doubt they intended for you to take anything away from that. At least you made out with a girl, should have just been proud of that and let his jab at your technique go.

But yeah if you're too scared to have sex except with a locked in gf who you've discussed your virginity with, that's the barrier you need to break through my friend.

>All that’s missing is women
well thats not something you just go get its something that happens

you cant force it so stop trying to, be outside, go to events but never have getting a women as priority, its the wrong attitude

If I do what you say I could end up at age 30 in this exact same position

I’d rather die than have that happen

My gf got a friend to tell me she liked me and that was that. It was pure luck, I've never approached a girl in my life. My advice is to be more lucky.

ofc you could, you could also get cancer in a year

i have a feeling you are whining too much, maybe you lack some spine

i mean you said you are confident and love yourself

>If I do what you say I could end up at age 30 in this exact same position
>I’d rather die than have that happen
doesnt really match with what you said if you ask me

You will have a unstoppable fear even with hookers the first time around so don't fool yourself and get it done.

After that things will get easy and you won't put sex on a pedestal (which is nothing special in first place) and get a GF without even trying.

You know how fucking disgusting and pathetic it is to see a desperate man trying to get laid with clearly no sexual experience? It's like the sadest fucking thing, makes the girls wanna puke in your ugly mug and run away.

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