How do I become a confident athiest again?

From a metaphysical point of view, the concept of God makes perfect sense, as opposed to a giant invisible unicorn in your garage.

>the concept of God makes perfect sense
And why's that?
Hurr durr "There must be a creator"
Fuck off
That's human focused. Since human create things, all things must be created too right?

Presuming there HAS to be a creator for the universe is like saying where is the corner in a circle?
Well fag? Where is the corner of a circle?
Some things cannot have certain qualities

Also I forget.
Which God do you believe in?
Zeus? Odin? Krishna? Manitou?
Which one? And why?
There must only be one creator right?

The Gods will be alive in whatever religion they're awakened in. Christ will live on as a god as long as there are worshippers and repentance to christ. And so on.

You're going to Hell.
There is only one God. No Christian allows for other deities.

I feel the same.
Like I don't trust my own judgement.
I think it's just a supreme lack of confidence.
I'm such a child.

I didn't say there HAS to be a creator. I said the concept of God makes perfect sense. That's not the same thing. I'm saying that from a logical point of view, there is absolutely no clue as to wether God exists or not, and that you can't just discard it with "gngnuuu spaggheti monster guyzz I watch rick&morty and south park am so smaart" because the concept of God makes sense and the possibility for God to exist is very real.

I'm a Christian. But I was talking about the metaphysical concept of God here, not religions.

ITT: babby’s first discussion about religion

Ok, why should there be a God?
We just established that certain things do not need certain qualities
i.e. circles do not need corners
So why does the Universe need a creator?

Yeah exactly.
Philosophers like Hume told religious retards to fuck off like 300 years ago

>concept of God makes perfect sense
If this were true it wouldn't be argued for centuries.

Look, humans are very self-centered. We like to see meaning and purpose in things that don't have it, and our own senses are unreliable. So of course people would want to project a reason to feel special and unique and deserving. That doesn't make it so. God is just a projection of ego. It's an idea to make people feel good about their morally debatable actions, and secure about the mistakes they do make because to them, by their self-defined rules, they've always 'done right.' If there's any single fact to pull from it, it's that it's all a man-made construct with no hard evidence. 'Praying' and all that crap is a form of self-discipline, but in a way that's imo warped as fuck. I think you can discipline yourself without outright deluding too.

The existence of the Universe is unexplainable. It is beyond the reach of human logic.

So, to get back to your example, sure, circles do no need corners, but let's say we are talking about the abstract concept of geometrical figures because we don't know what the one we're talking about it. Would you not agree then that it might or might not posess angles depending on wether it's a circle or another figure, and that since we don't know what the figure is we have no basis to say one rather than the other?

This post says it all.
The idea that Zeus must exist is a projection of our need of order and meaning.

>If this were true it wouldn't be argued for centuries.

On the contrary. You think if the idea of God was as absurd as "muh spaggheti monster" it would have been argued for centuries?

The rest of your post is inconsequent since the metaphysical concept of God is far from necessarily anthropomorphic.

What is "it" when you're talking about geometric figures?
Are you talking about Ymir's Corpse? The thing that makes up the world?
You haven't proven me wrong. The world is made up of Ymir's Corpse.
Prove me wrong

You're totally right. Prometheus is the creator of mankind and it's been obvious for ages.
I'm glad you agree. This whole "Jesus" thing is just a fad.

Point being, the idea of any higher being is just that. It's meant to mean something to humans. Whatever form it takes, it's supposed to influence people. If you wanted people to obey you, or if you wanted to keep your community in check, or, if you needed a reason to keep believeing that rain would eventually come to your village if you danced around enough, you turn to the idea of a higher power granting something to you. Fear, blessings, purpose. God is an idea to influence the mind; not a force to necessarily help you grow or learn. It is undeniably a psychological force.

Totally agree, mate
I think you replied to the wrong man

No, I thought that was sarcasm

Why is agnosticism ignored here?

The only thing i’m confident about is that I don’t know and don’t care if there is or is not a god because it’s plainly evident to me that he/she/it does not have a direct affect on my life and is not accessible whatsoever. That and all the popular cases for god have attached with them absolute absurd mythology and systematic practices that I just find laughable.

But whats even more laughable is the people that believe they can somehow prove religion to be wrong. Protip: it’s called META-physics for a reason.

Athiesm and theism are both equally dumb in my humble opinion.

>What is "it" when you're talking about geometric figures?

The reason for the existence of the Universe. We can't grasp it = we don't know what geometric figure we're dealing with.
Since we don't know the reason for the existence of the Universe, we can't know from reason wether God exists or not = we can't know if the figure has angles or not because we don't know the shape of the figure.

>The world is made up of Ymir's Corpse.
Assuming that by "world" you mean the Universe, that would make no sense. The beginning of Existence can't be the corpse of something that already existed (because then this thing would need a creation and the existence would predate it).

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>The beginning of Existence can't be the corpse of something that already existed (because then this thing would need a creation and the existence would predate it).
I agree
Then a Creator can't exist
Well done.

Agnosticism wasn't ignored. See , basically saying the same thing as you (except theists are not as dumb as atheists because they don't claim to base themselves purely on reason when reason obviously can't say shit about wether or not God exists).

I personally believe God exists user but he (or she whatever) is not going to hate you for having sex. God loves you. Modern atheism is a rejection of dogmatic religion. But what you should know is that true spirituality doesn't need to have any of the evils of religion.

>Then a Creator can't exist
It's not as simple as that, no. Because then Creation can't exist without a cause. Yet it exists. So it has a cause. There is always need a primal cause. Read Leibniz. So then if this primal cause is a conscious being or an unconscious force, reason cannot tell us.

>There is always need a primal cause.
Why?
Does a circle need a corner?
You assume too much.
This is why God tore down Babel

This.

It is so ridiculously hard to show someone a perspective on what god could be after being consistently fed the notion that god must be a living thinking being.

>Does a circle need a corner?
No? Your example doesn't mean necessity never exists, you know that right?

Primal cause is a logical necessity. It is one of the pillars the entire science of logics revolves around. If an event occurs, it has a cause. Like, say you hear a loud noise outside your window right now, you wouldn't consider it is possible that it just occured for no reason, without anything causing it, would you? And the thing that caused the noise, it didn't just pop out of nowhere either, it has to have a cause. And for everything that exists, from your own existence to the computer you're typing on, you can go back in the cause/consequence line back up to the primal cause.
Like I said, read Leibniz.

>don't harm others
Why is this a good thing?

>Primal cause is a logical necessity. It is one of the pillars the entire science of logics revolves around. If an event occurs, it has a cause
No.
Like I keep saying and you keep fucking up
A circle does not need a corner.

Try reading someone less ancient than a gay German (don't you people hate homosexuals?)
Einstein explains all this. He's a straight German.
Won't you go to hell for following a faggot like Leibnitz?

Dude, just because a circle does not need a corner does not mean the very concept of necessity isn't a thing. Like, idk, I need to drink water to survive. You have no fucking point.

Leibniz wasn't gay. You are.

And yes, primal caue is one of the fundamental requirement for Logics to even exist. Go google that up if you don't believe me.

Oh, also Einstein (basically a fraud who stole everything to Poincaré, straight Frenchman) never disproved Causality, I don't know what you're talking about.

it’s bait at this point. no use.

thanks for the band drop on leibnitz tho, i’ll be checking it out.

You can believe in God without having to follow a religion
Religions were created to give global rules to humanity.

God is what you want. As long as you do what you think is good and does not impact the life of another, then you are doing it right

I'm just going to sit here smug while you digest what I've said.
Maybe you'll figure it out...
Circles don't need a starting point to exist... Hmm... If that's true do all things need a starting point...
Leibnitz lived with a man his entire adult life. They were "best friends" and just "Roommates"
Hmm...
Try to grow up some time.

It is wrong to hate stupid people. Good people teach them.
But, like they say, you can lead a horse to water.

I have also heard is called the "Un-caused cause"

>missing the point

My goal as an atheist is to create the best relationships I can while I exist and to give back to the people and the places that supported me. Theism is about a sense of communitas or discipline, you can still have thatvwithout believing in a god. Just try tobrespect everything for what it is and acknowledge that some people might think a bit differently. My mom grew up with influences from Judaism/Buddhism/Christianity and my dad was Christian. I personally think that those religions don't really have it right but I can still see them as things that inspired my parents to have an attitude of self betterment which is all I can really hope for.

How can something come from nothing? Read Aquinas' five ways.