Vietnam

>peak efficiency
No. Just no.

AFAIK the selling point is that it is easier to fix, cheaper and widespread.

Sure it does Mohammed. Enjoy that 556 to the brain

Just realized the rpg is single-shot lol. Next time someone says that only muskets should be allowed under the 2nd amendment just tell them cannons are too haha.

>cheaper and widespread.

Yes it is but the notion that it's way more reliable compared to modern firearms is a meme.

>They're not effective in terms of being an actually good gun
Guns since the civil war have been good at killing people
Any gun is better than no gun and the the AK is better than many
It’s main fault is that the ones using it are shits

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Big thing was when Soviet Union collapsed there was pretty much a liquidation on equipment and one could have easily bought weapons, weapon stamping equipment and even a Hind if you wanted. Remember that Soviet Union was heavily involved in Africa & Asia.
If you’re interested in reading more, the Japanese cult Aum Shinrikiyo back in the 90s were able to obtain Soviet weaponary.

Now with proxy wars you’ll see rebels especially in Syria shoot G36, FAL and such. You’ll see countries like Saudi, US, Iran, Russia and possibly even China in the next couple years arming these rag-tag groups with newer rifles.

They still do the thing they were designed to do. Basic functionality, availability, and reliability will ensure their relevance for decades to come.

>Why do insurgents love the AK and the RPG?
Because that's what the CIA gives them.

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>Nice meme
Is that what you call facts now?

Cheap simple and still can kill.
Also an rpg 7 might not be able to kill good armor, but its still nto a joke.
If you get in vehichle spalling an rpg can still kill someone even if it doesnt penetrate

Because you and everyone else in this thread have not actually paid close attention to the last 6 years of conflict in Syria; because everyone is biased (I'm a proud burger, therefore burger weapons are always the right choice etc)

Insurgents absolutely love TOW missiles. Insurgents love the steyr aug. Insurgents love the STG 44. That's just scratching the surface of all the advanced NATO materiel and antique pieces that have shown up in Syria. Jihadists use what they came to the conflict with, what their allies send them, and what they capture, and what's best for the job.

No, numerous countries like China and Serbia all have their own clone industries for Kalash style arms. In Pakistan this industry consists of literal ghetto welders in open air markets and they RECEIVE millions from the west.

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What are your facts Boris?

Old rpg’s are no longer “anti tank” munitions, as armor has advanced but it will fuck some shit up, no problems. I’d rather have an m4 based platform and an m240 but ak’s are good in the dessert and old rpg’s certainly aren’t terrible

cheap and reliable

Notice I didn't say Syria :P

It's slightly different there due to the fact that the 'rebels' are seen by many to be a legitimate government and so are overtly helped by Western powers with weapons.

You can drop an AK in the mud and leave it outside for a year, pick it up, clean it off a little and it will still fire as good as the day it left the factory floor. Millenia from now when humans are long extinct, alien archaeologists will still be plucking fully functional soviet weapons out of the sand.

>STG-44
Reminds me of that Jow Forumsommando that went to a conflict zone in Africa to get one and ended up permanently enriched.

insurgents have the stg 44.its not a weapon of choice by any means.

Yes, I noticed, but there's just not much to say about long gone conflicts like Vietnam which are so simple in comparison to Syria. When your options are strictly limited to colonial leftovers, Soviet imports and fecal stick traps, you don't get to be picky

Versatility and viability.
Something civies will never understand.

A tandem warhead RPG can still do some serious fucking damage, but you're right most of the HEAT rounds are pretty useless against anything with skin thicker than a T-55

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>this
but why would you use it on a tank?

True. Russia only got 10% of afghanistan but was incompetent to fight in the mountains losing millions of units with ak47. Also the ak is efficient to swim with and fight where there is lots if sand a and dust. I bet you cant use the m4 to break someone's skull and then fire it again.

>I bet you cant use the m4 to break someone's skull and then fire it again.

Why not?

Because it was designed for anti armor, see that hollow inverted cone, that's a shaped charged, designed to penetrate armor, the explosive charge around it isn't very good against people.
But there is a fragmentation warhead that you see more and more of that is designed for people.

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The stick round is a fragmentation round, the large one is a thermobaric type

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Jesus Christ you tea sipping towel heads get more retarded every year. You think Insurgents make informed purchasing decisions at Insurgency-R-Us and just decide to go with AKs and RPGs? They use whatever the fuck they can get their hands on, and the comblock dumped a shit ton of small arms around the globe over the last 100 years. They use western weapons to the extent that they have them as well, but there are many more AKs in circulation than M4s, FALs and G3s. There are a lot of Jow Forumsommando vets with stories of dead insurgents being found with extremely old/rare guns that they wish they could have smuggled back home as war trophies.

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Can burgers own RPG-7s legally? I presume the ammo counts as destructive devices and have to be individually registered

Yes, but good luck finding one. I've seen one for sale ever. They are out there, but not many. You're right about the ammo, but you've got to figure on top of that, that there aren't really any companies willing to take the legal risk of selling live rockets to civilians, even if they legally can. For all intents and purposes, it's impossible, but there's always that one guy that finds a way. I'd be happy just owning a DEWAT. If I ever am fortunate enough to find a live gun and can afford it, even better, but I wouldn't even attempt to track down rockets for it. Not worth the time and money IMO.

The launcher yes, I’ve seen them at several gun shows. Live ammo no, for the reasons you stated. You can buy deactivated shells as paperweights though.

Bingo, each round and the launcher need to be registered.
There's a guy on Jow Forums with one, but the rockets basically don't exist, it's pretty easy to find deactivated ones as well

Not to mention they discard the comblock shit for NATO weaponry any chance they get.

Thanks lads

Because that’s what we shipped them

One thing I noticed in footage from Libya is that there's a large number of FALs. It's safe to assume those came from NATO, correct?

And on the topic of NATO, if the fantasy of a European civil war/troubles actually does come true, what weapons would be used by said futuristic non-government forces?

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because M4 was designed for a competent soldier who would not use it as a club to beat the enemy to death.

AK was designed to arm a bilion of 60IQ peasants and be sure that no matter what they do with it, it still will be an efficient weapon.

Michail Kalashnikov was the first Kalashnikov in history to ever break. And that is why.

Good thing this ain't YLYL, fucking lost

God I hate this meme so much. I have a kink for AKs, but if you handle an AK and then then pretty much any other modern rifle, you'd have to have a kink for them if you'd want to own one afterward. Their design inherently makes them relatively reliable, but there's no communist wizardry here and you can easily still make one fail (I've had mine fail), and then you still have ergonomics that suck shit when all is said and done. Without extensive modifications, like the Jews did with the Galil ACE, AKs are honestly obsolete now. They make my dick hard, but I'd take an AR over one if I were in a war.

anything you can destroy power lines/radio towers/infrastructure with, lots of gasoline and whatever falls out of police/army dead hands

Cheap, incredibly easy to use, very reliable.

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You cant badmouth the classics.

>Why do insurgents love the AK and the RPG?
Poor people.

Ask the world's greatest military.
Maybe not for "normal" wars, but for guerillas and militias protecting lans from invaders they're still highly effective.

>lans
Land

Most guns in cartel possession are typical American gun store stock. Same thing for gun possession along the border, it's much easier for a guy in Baja to hop the border and buy a gun in America than it would be to drive his happy ass all the way to Mexico city.

It is because AKs are easy to procude. Around 80% of AKs used in MENA are made from local manufacturers. Russia has millions of AKs with no use lying around in storages because they can't export them if every country can just build thousands of AKs daily.

>It's safe to assume those came from NATO, correct?

Among other places, yeah, and for a multitude of reasons. Captured, stolen, given to former NATO allied groups to fight communist groups in Africa/ME, distributed through various ways and means from failed states (Rhodesia, for example).

> if the fantasy of a European civil war/troubles actually does come true, what weapons would be used by said futuristic non-government forces?

Complicated question. It depends on the country you want to look at, but in general, there are more guns in Europe than you probably realize. You'd see a lot of world war 2 era small arms suddenly show up again. There's a lot of shit from that war sitting in barns and attics and home guard caches that were never found but known to surviving members. Then black market guns in general, as well as whatever legitimate guns are in civilian possession (I've seen some very nice dutch collections). Then if other nations offer military aid, they'd get whatever those nations send them as well.

Well there is more modern grenades for rpg to fuck shit up but I highly doubt that anyone has them expect russians.

And what about the Balkans and sympathisers in governments/North America?