Using DAPPs and Crypto for their true purpose

>If their centralised toy apps are worth so much for something as trivial as 'muh supply chain management
one supply chain management will win the race and be the Windows 3.1 of the supply chain world, making speculators very rich. there's no need to bash things you don't really understand in order to make your point.

your idea isn't new though and your pitch shows how much you don't know about what you're talking about.

>There has been no presale, you won't be getting dumped on by whales, and I'm keeping none of the tokens for myself.
No you just keep the 10k ETH. You're 2 years late to try this kind of scam.

Supply chain is not abstract enough to be secured / verified by a blockchain, and never will be.
Nothing which exists in the physical world can be. There's too much room for inconsistency to creep in.

>No you just keep the 10k ETH

Well, yes, that is the point of the crowdsale, to fund the project.

Which country were you going to run to?

Most people dont understand how quantitative easing fucks them, most people dont even know about the federal reserve...

You would need to spell out exactly how crypto works better for people. Not being able to be deplatformed is good, but people have to really want it to deal with the hassle

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Bumping for interest

to be frank... this sounds like a better path to take in the future however many on this Mongolian image board are inherently skeptical ( hence our love of anonymity) so while I would like to support this in some way, we all need more than just "the word of an user" even if he has skills within the field at question... all I can say for you is to have back up plans and patience and if this board has even a 10th of its intelligence left we will catch on when you show good results

This shit is a scam and so are all cryptos, buy bitcoin Sv anons, Craig Wright is unironically our last hope, BTC has already been taken over by them

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By the time I need to run because of this project, I will already be considering it a success (means powerful people are taking notice, because they are looking for the leader of this thing they want to ban a creator off)

Yes, this is correct. I definitely have this in mind. This is why my main target audience is not the general public at first. Pragmatically, the general public doesn't want it yet. My target audience is content creators, as they are the real users of a system like this.

The thing ultimately which will get the public on board, and make them willing to go through the hassle, is that they won't be able to see the content anywhere else.

I'm a pretty honest person, and even I will admit that I wouldn't use a platform like the one I'm thinking of today, youtube is just too convenient. But if I woke up tomorrow, and all of the good content moved to something else which requires crypto, you can bet I would be using it, even if it meant 10-15 mins of hassle.

We always seem to be on the backfoot as a community. I want to start being proactive.

Also OPs idea has already been done and it cost a lot less than 10k ETH
discussions.app/#/e/user-pol-econ
pretty sure the codebase for this is open source too

github.com/Novusphere/eos-forum Now fuck off OP

>I want to start being proactive.
you just want 10k ETH. the amount of people you'll be able to fool with this low effort scam won't raise that much

Have you heard of 0xchan tho? It's pretty much what you think about doing but it comes with a sound white paper instead of a themeforest template and buzzwords.
0xchan.net
Check it out.

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based and tedpilled

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>This shit is a scam and so are all cryptos
ok
>buy bitcoin Sv
seems legit

It's true, there are many examples of projects which hint at what I want. But a few observations on that example:

1. The video on that site is hosted on Youtube. That can be censored.
2. It's running on EOS. ccn.com/eos-decentralization-questioned-once-again-as-block-producers-freeze-27-accounts/

Better than then EOS forum, but they are using IPFS as the storage layer:

This is from IPFS's offcial devs in response to 'is ipfs censorship resistant: '

>No, we are developing "denylists" explicitly for this purpose. IPFS networks can maintain lists of "bad bits/illegal numbers" that they will not download/serve/etc. These lists can be maintained per jurisdiction.

github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/36#issuecomment-140567411

At least be honest and post the spicy bit:
>Of course, it is up to the people running IPFS nodes to decide whether to follow these denylists

I support you generally, but, as many have said, a lot of what you're proposing has already been done.
>BitChute
>IPFS
>Freenet
>Memo.cash
>0xchan
While there is certainly value in competition, it might be more helpful to focus on what hasn't been done before. As far as crowdfunding goes, it seems that is only useful in a fiat system. There is no point in pledging when you can just put up a public address that anyone can send to. Fiat bank accounts don't have addresses, so you need a third-party escrow.
A main problem preventing crypto adoption is that it can be difficult to get. We all get paid in dollars, but to use crypto the law requires identity verification with a third party. While we already have decentralized blockchain marketplaces like OpenBazaar, perhaps if there was some kind of decentralized job market, like mTurk but with more elaborate and productive tasks, that would help raise interest and usability in our community.

They have built a mechanism for censorship in to the protocol. Whether it is opt in or not. This is why I think torrent tech is far superior, and is what I would use. It's also the only censorship resistant tech which has actually fought a battle against an entire industry and won (music)

Did you scammer. Crypto had its day. Don’t invest in crypto. Also, Internet talking heads are all retarded. Nobody listens to a commentator they don’t agree with anyway.

>won
Really? Napster going down is called a win? Users regularly being mailed fat invoices for copyright violation is called a win?
Also what the fuck do you need 10K ETH for? How many people are in your team? Who is your team? Did they do anything worthwhile before?
At least 0xchan is made by some Jow Forums faggots that did some lulz before already so I can expect some quality content from them but who the fuck are you?

>trying to shill your shit to Jow Forums by appealing to what they like without actually caring about it
>10k eth, or $1mil

lol

Nothing has ever truly brought everything together, and as I've gone over lightly in other replies,
I think some of those technologies are shaky in regards to if they could hold up against and all out attach on them.
Since starting research for this project, I've gained a whole new respect for Ethereum. There's all this talk of Ethereum Killer style alternatives, but when
you really look at the details you start seeing that all the supposed features they have over ethereum come at some expense.

It's a very good point you raise, the fact that the link to fiat is so strong in the crypto community at the movement.
An element of my plan which I have not gone in to too deeply, is that this is as much a social project as a tech one. Ultimately I want to build a network of people who are empowered by tech, rather than a platform which is using tech.

This is the same reason I want to target creators first, because one of the outcomes I want is that they would encourage their users to accept crypto for goods and services. I think there's a massive economic force in the alt community which we are not using correctly. The only way true decoupling is achieved is when we have an alternate economy going. This is the final stage to completely prevent all kinds of deplatforming.

>Napster going down is called a win?
Napster was not torrent technology.

>Users regularly being mailed fat invoices for copyright violation is called a win?
Yes, because that form of attach cost the music industry massively in social credit, for very little tangible outcome.

The win is that now, virtually all music is free. This was not the natural progression, and only came about because the industry realised they either destroy themselves by fighting it, or accept it. We need a similar effect to happen to freedom of expression. Facebook and Twitter are the Napster of freespeech.

>Nothing has ever truly brought everything together
What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying your new token will be a decentralized content hosting, decentralized forum, decentralized crowdfunder, and currency all in one? What is the advantage of such a large, multifaceted product when there are already deployed separate components?

>The win is that now, virtually all music is free.
It is not. Your freedom is carried on the backs of those who are fined high fees that are enforced with lawyers most people can't protect against. That is not freedom.
I agree with you that we need a decentralized and immutable service for free speech to happen, but your project so far sounds like such a massive clusterfuck made by an idea guy that has no real understanding of the technical implications his idea harbors.
And finally: where's your white paper? Do you really expect to raise 10K ETH without a proper detailed explanation of all your systems?

I helped my brother turn $600 into $6 last year, so here is a real question: I hear that blockchain is important because it offers total anonymity. But I also hear that the power of the blockchain is that it holds all records within it, which is important because it means things like doctors, insurance companies, and hospitals can count on open life-saving communication. These two things don't match.
Also, you can't be serious talking about ICO's now. Guess there are still some pigeons left. Leave the ICO thing out next post, it's just silly. I see you are passionate, but can't be all that serious yourself.

>What exactly do you mean by this? Are you saying your new token will be a decentralized content hosting, decentralized forum, decentralized crowdfunder, and currency all in one?
No, but I'll address each as it's own point. The token will be purely utility based for interactions with the platform.

>Will it be a currency?
No. Any payments will happen in Eth, and later Monero/Bitcoin. I'm realistic enough to know that creators only want the large Mcap coins (as they should), and they are also the easiest to buy for non crypto users.

>decentralized content hosting?
No, but the way you submit content to the network will necessitate interaction with a smart contract which as previously stated, will require the token. I think web torrents, the same as bitchute uses, is the best way to go for video hosting. However, the centralised aspect of torrents is the source of the torrent file. From my calculations, it should be perfectly possible to lodge torrent files in swarm, or directly in the data segment of an ethereum transaction.

>decentralized crowdfunder?
The smart contracts will handle the logic of the funding, but I will be pushing for them to crowdraise using ether. I'll more than likely use a topup model using an escrow contract, so that creators have some buffer and security, but the contributing users know the content creator still has an incentive to create.

I don't want to force users in to the token for all elements of the system, but it will be an integral part to interact with the contracts and therefore nessecary.

These use cases will take years to really tune.

pro tip: don't get caught up arguing with shills. no matter who you listed these people would be saying this shit.

Godspeed t. user.

SCAM

>I hear that blockchain is important because it offers total anonymity

Blockchain is important because it offers unstoppable computing in the case of decentralised blockchains, and also a solution to value transfer online, and a pragmatic solution to the 'who owns what' question.
Anonymity is something that can be integrated via cryptography (like in Monero), or by never linking back to a KYC'd account.

Remember, anonymity is not the same as cryptographically secured actions. You're anonomous on Jow Forums, but if your ISP wanted to tell us who you were they could. They could not however sign blockchain transactions on your behalf, provided you generate your private key on your device and never send it online.

Listen here you complete retard

You couldn’t even afford your own domain name

This is a dead scam

This is the last time I'm going to reply to a post like this... but if this was a scam, I would not be approaching it like this (on Jow Forums of all places, I'd be shilling it on bitcoin talk or reddit).
I was able to throw up a quicky ICO site, complete with a crowd funding smart contract on ethereum and simple web interface. Surely that alone shows that I would know how to setup a DNS entry on CloudFlare...

>directly in the data segment of an ethereum transaction
wouldn't this be expensive?

Your pitch and site is set up to target pol

Yes. Storing data on a contract is really expensive. Stateless smart contracts are a thing tho, but they are really not what that faggot OP is looking for. This entire thread shows a lack of research, understanding and proof of concepts.
No white paper, no team with any known previous projects, no own domain, no own website (instead using a dumb template that was used for every single scam on ETH there was in 2017 lmao).

Why is this German such a salty faggot crybaby bitch?

Can already tell this is the same fag crying about Trump in every thread

Thanks for the encouragement.
I plan to move ahead with development regardless of what happens, but given work commitments productivity will take a hit. I will basically be spending 8-10hrs a day on stuff that doesn't benefit society, and which is payrolled by banks, and 2-3 hours on this project which has a real chance of meaningfulness.

Would rather spend the full 13 hours on this.

The biggest thing I'm taking away from this discussion is that the ideas I have need to be expressed more clearly (my fault entirely), and that there are a lot of projects out there which have polluted the ideals which were initially set out by the cypherpunks, and given unrealistic expectations of how easy it is to get shit like this set up. True decentralisation is hard.

People would do well to remember that the internet started out free and decentralised, but the centralised solutions became much more convenient to use and quicker to develop, and took all the mind share.

We are paying for that mistake right now.

You are a textbook German hypercuck

SCAM

I don't buy it. You still have to interface with a grid, whether that be the Internet, or for the "oh man let's set up our own decentralized internet!" people, then the "grid" would be electricity.
Both can deplatform you on a moment's notice. You need something that can survive a default of the Federal Reserve.

Torrent files are quite small. What they point to is large, but the torrents themselves which setup the tracking and file segmentation for the peer-peer transfer are small.

If you load the chain with only the coordination aspects, you can offload massive amounts of bandwidth to other (free) technologies.

Yes, but my point is that if I wanted to scam, I would have made the site to appeal to a wider audience, not Jow Forums specifically. I would have made it a fork of bitcoin, or an airdrop, or a pitch for an ethereum competitor platform, something like that. The reason I'm appealling here is because this in many ways is a central example of the kind of discourse we need to preserve (warts and all :) ).

You still don't answer to the white paper question. Did you come up with that idea yesterday morning while taking a shit?

LOL fucking German megacuck changed his flag to Antifa.. ROFL... gold. Fucking Germans are such pussies honestly, omg

lmao nice deflection from your support group

MASSIVE CUCC ALERT

True, and that's an issue I have tried to reason with.

My final thoughts on it are that ultimately, there needs to be a decoupling from the monetary grid. I think that can be done by simply getting people to accept crypto for goods and services, especially food.
The whole crypto community is on side in that regard, so it's our best bet.

When it comes to censoring a decentralised network, it's still possible.
What you want to do though, is make it so egregious a thing to do, that if the government tried to do it, normies would rise up against them. That's ultimately what happened to the music industry and why torrents won the war (as I mentioned above).
When the music industry realised it was impossible to fight torrents, they went after the the people using torrents. That was the egregious act on their part, which was an act too far, and ultimately led to their capitulation.

Imagine a network of creators who are influencing public discourse, some 10-20 years down the line. By then, they would know how dangerous it is to do so, and would be obscuring their identities and accepting privacy coins to live. If a government can take down the influencers, they'll start taking down the listeners, and THAT'S the egregious act on their part which would lead to an all out free speech revolution again. (that sort is scenario is a long shot, but just the most extreme example I can thing of to demonstrate an example of 'if you make the influencer unstoppable, you force the censor to commit an egregious act which spurs on a mainstream revolt')

The token doesn't seem to offer any utility other than raising money to build the platform.

The idea has been developing in my head for about 6 months. Anyone who works in tech knows whitepapers are full of shit and promises that are almost never kept.
What's important, especially for groundbreaking projects, is that you have a strong idea and motivation of where you want to be, and a genuine issue that needs to be solved.

>2019
>ICO
Lmao you need to lay off the whiskey Patrick

>Anyone who works in tech knows whitepapers are full of shit and promises that are almost never kept.
Anyone who works in tech knows that a white paper is a detailed explanation of the underlying mechanics of a product, service or software.
If you have been developing this idea for 6 months and still fail to provide detailed explanation on how everything is supposed to work, I'm afraid your project is DOA.
>What's important, especially for groundbreaking projects, is that you have a strong idea and motivation of where you want to be, and a genuine issue that needs to be solved.
That is true, but that doesn't explain why you want 10K ETH for this up front without telling anybody how the system is supposed to function.

At the moment you are right, it's purely fund raising (just like every other ICO). But any features of the platform will interact with it.

Creating a crowdfunding campaign for your channel? You're going to need tokens.

Upvoting something? Your going to need a token
Downvoting? Token.

Posting a video? Token. Etc.

Requiring token expenditure will also prevent spam attacks.

The economics are hazy, but I'm hoping that if I make a commitment to have them as a central utility enabler, then the market can decide on their true value.
That's actually the beauty of having a token sale on ethereum if you intend to build your features on ethereum. I can make the sale today, and since it's ERC20 compliant, I can build future
contracts to accept it without having to retroactively redesign it.

Get fuck yourself?
Gonna need a token.

Listen potatonigger the ICO thing is dead. Your idea has been done many times, and you are gay.

It's a waste of time to have something like that.
Maybe at bigger companies, but the one I'm working at now (for instance) is a small startup with international partners and 1000's of paying customers. If we started writing a whitepaper, and technical docs, we would be down about 30% of our capacity. It's a hard thing for people to understand outside of software, but documentation sucks because development is in an of itself a research based task. If I knew what I was going to build enough to design it on paper, then it is already finished and that is the time when you hire in the cheapest contractors you can.

The important thing in developing software is to be reactive to the requirements which inevitably come up during development.

This! This guy almost had me. It’s a good idea but I don’t trust him. We should spread this idea around though, see if a real based developer bites.

>It's a waste of time to have something like that.
Did you really just write that or am I hallucinating?
Nigger if you can't explain to people what the fuck is going on, how are they supposed to trust a faceless entity consisting of an unknown amount of people with an unknown background with 10K ETH? That's like sending a literal pajeet to beg on the streets of New York and expecting him to return with a billion dorrars but instead he poos everywhere and people avoid him like the plague.

mods please delet this spam advertisement

permaban this scammer

I'm still open to hearing about other people you would like me to have mentioned. I'm fairly sure I'll already know them, but if not I'm more than glad to have a wider base to listen to.

I don't mind if you believe me or not, but my experience has shown that documentation is a time-waste, and code is king.

Also, I should mention to everyone that 10k eth is the maximum amount which is possible to purchase. It's not the least amount I need to start the project.

>many on this Mongolian image board are inherently skeptical
Lmao wtf are you talking about, Jow Forums isn't skeptical at all, Jow Forums is the biggest collection of credulous idiots i've ever seen

You people will believe anything if it confirms your beliefs

>my experience has shown that documentation is a time-waste, and code is king
Yet you provide neither and ask for handouts like a beggar. Shoo shoo pajeet.

Evangelising Bitcoin is one thing, shilling an ICO is another. OP is selling you hot garbage. I remember in 2017 all the good ICOs didn't need to be shilled they'd be sold out to insiders pre ICO. More than 99% of ICOs lose money but this one will make you money guyz

Needing the token to do any of those things is more of a hindrance than a benefit. And for that reason, I'm out. Now you could make a small fee on receiving donations and split that fee as a monthly payment to all token holders.

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OP, I am working on something similar, but much better. Would you abandon your idea to work on mine instead? You can still make obscene amounts of money from it, just no token bullshit or ICO attached.

We should talk.

So guys, thanks to everyone who posted, even the nay sayers.
That's what this is all about after all.

It's about being to put something out there, and have it torn to shreds and cautiously supported in the same place :)

The token sale is on the mainnet, so I can't stop even if I want to.

My main take aways from this are actually quite positive, as I didn't expect to get any funding, but instead was floating what the general consensus is regarding this. My understanding now is that I need to revisit here in a few days-weeks depending on my workload, with some proof of concept style examples.

To , this is what I meant when I said the white paper is a waste. I would have spent the time I spent conversing in this thread writing a white paper, and I would have still got the same response when I tried to do a token sale.
What I got by coming straight here though, and coding up a token sale in a weekend first was two fold: 1. I have a token live right now on the mainnet, which is more than Coinmetro have managed after a full year of development, 2. I know what the communities attitudes are, and can readjust my trajectory based on that. THAT's what really matters when you're developing a product, and it's that which will make this a success over the long run.

Thanks guys! I'll still be around to answer Q's

>Now you could make a small fee on receiving donations and split that fee as a monthly payment to all token holders.

That is going to be an element of the crowd funding mechanism, payable in Ether to token holders.

You'll see it's referenced on the site here:
>Any financial transaction in our solution will use one of either Monero, Bitcoin, or Ethereum. We do not need another currency in this space, and creators only want the most trust worthy, high hashrate/marketcap coins. Additionally, if we engineer any type of token reward for holders, it will be paid in Ether.

>1. I have a token live right now on the mainnet
Nigger you deployed an unverified contract, most likely by using a silly ERC-20 generator that can be found online. Great job proving your coding skillz.
etherscan.io/address/0x21970660c3b389B334BD8e737d43C7198094661d#code

Your entire idea is a bundle of spaghetti with some good ideas but ultimately dead in the water because you can't be assed to properly think them through. All I read in this thread is "oh we can do this or that sure or if we do this then we can also do that" dude, your asking for money even though you can't even tell us exactly how the general flow of data on your platform is going to work.
I wish you all the best but you smell of an idea guy that can't put his great ideas into reality even if he wanted to.

I'm open to working on something with a team, all projects end up that way in any event.

My only 3 criteria are that:

1. I can support myself while I am working on it, so that a day job is not getting in the way or causing conflicts of interests. I want to be 100% in it.

2. The project actually gets us to a decentralised system of discussion to get us out of the current state of things on patreon, youtube, facebook etc.

3. It must have tight links with the people we are building the system for.

If you want to drop an email here we can talk.

I wouldn't need to use an ERC-20 generator, I mean... the interface isn't exactly that large to implement.
I also wanted to make it myself, as well as the token sale contract because it let me get my feet wet regarding how contracts interact with each other. Gave me some exposure to the Web3 interface as well, fairly easy to get something up and running.

Also

>Welcome to Jow Forums's den.

How are you going to tackle cheesepizza that gets uploaded to your utopia?

This is where the downvoting system would come in. Collaborative filtering is an extremely effective means of moderating a community.
There's also nothing stopping the use of user defined blacklists, which are local to each address.

As to what I would do about it once it gets on to the blockchain? Well, that is an example of a problem which is above my station, and is a question instead for the developers of the Ethereum Blockchain to think about.

In reality, the cheesepizza issue rarely comes up, as the people who want that don't usually want to 'hide' it on a public blockchain which has publicly reviewable transactions that can be used to track them.

How will downvoting not be abused? What stops me from running a sybil attack on opinions I don't like and effectively manipulating the content on your system?

>In reality, the cheesepizza issue rarely comes up, as the people who want that don't usually want to 'hide' it on a public blockchain which has publicly reviewable transactions that can be used to track them.
You underestimate the edgyness of 14-y-o faggots with accidentally saved cp.

>This is where the downvoting system would come in. Collaborative filtering is an extremely effective means of moderating a community.
>There's also nothing stopping the use of user defined blacklists, which are local to each address.
Didn't you just say;
>IPFS networks can maintain lists of "bad bits/illegal numbers" that they will not download/serve/etc. These lists can be maintained per jurisdiction
How is that different?

>If you want to drop an email here we can talk.

Do you have one? I would make one but I'm out right now and won't be home for a bit, checking all this on my phone

whoops, OP rekt himself lmao

>How will downvoting not be abused? What stops me from running a sybil attack on opinions I don't like and effectively manipulating the content on your system?

If someone wants to keep buying tokens to perform those attacks, I'm sure token holders will be more than happy. The more apparent their attacks become, the less likely holders are to part with their tokens... unless the price is right.

The attacks will run out of money eventually.

The black lists I'm referring to are user created, and account local.

The user defines their own blacklist, not an external entity

It's effectively the same as blocking someone.

Wait, I re-read it and I think I know what he means but I won't put words in his mouth.

Are tokens being burned upon use? Will new tokens be minted by the contract? If not, doesn't that limit the overal lifetime of your system?

yea that.
But no one will want to deal with manually deleting CP, for one they will have to download it first to identify it and by then it's too late.
So people will circulate lists of known CP, which can then be used to targettedly download CP and also opens up the avenue for someone to censor something and claim it's CP, no one is going to risk checking.

It's almost as if OP didn't think things through properly. Huh.

Right now I'm intending it to be fixed supply, with no burning.

I think the fairest way to distribute tokens which are spent, is to either 1. Give the token to the owner of the entity with which the user is interacting with (ie, if you like a video, the like that you bought the token with goes to the video owner) or 2, the token gets broken up and redistributed to holders in proportional amounts. I'm undecided as of yet.

It seems on it's face to be an intractable problem with all systems of that type, not just OPs, which I still think is a scam.

>Right now I'm intending it to be fixed supply, with no burning.
Then how is an attacker going to run out of money when engaging in a sybil attack if the tokens are not burned?

I think reputation systems have a big part to play in systems like this, and it would be another measure in preventing the sybil attack. Basically, the incentive is that you want to gain reputation with an eth address, which would give you access to communities. You would have an incentive then not to mess it up, or discard that address, as it is your key to be allowed within potentially gated communities

But that's way down the road, and not a primary concern at first. Theere's a chance it may not ever be an issue

They would have to spend a token to perform the like/dislike

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