Long story short, I've met a girl I really like, but she's... well, a genetically inferior specimen. Pretty, slender, and very smart, but suffers from various allergies and has a weak vegetative nervous system. Meanwhile, I am a Greek god with near-perfect health. There is no way I would ever procreate with a woman like that. And yet, she is everything I want from a woman personality-wise, and I'm afraid it will take me 20 years to meet a woman like that. She'd be a great wife and mother, but I don't want to produce weak and unhealthy sons with her. How do I resolve this issue?
I'm thinking of talking to her about it, but as smart as she is, I don't think she'll take kindly to being called genetically inferior.
You shouldn't breed you sound like you have mental health problems
Levi Anderson
What are you basing this conclusion on?
Eli Wood
>Pretty, slender, and very smart You are too picky. Of course women are more unhealthy, they usually just sit on their ass their whole lives, doesn't mean your sons would be weak
Nolan Ramirez
Just leave her.
I have a chronic disease and heard the "I love you but don't want to have kids with you" twice. It is painful, and made me feel like shit for months. On top of that, your concerns are ridiculously trivial as allergies are barely an issue.
Just ghost her and move on with your life, and let her find someone who appreciates her, and find someone good enough for you.
Dominic Hernandez
I considered ghosting, but the way I see it, that would hurt her even more.
Lucas Williams
Much less than being told "you're not good enough for me for things that are completely out of your control and you'll have to deal with for the rest of your life, this thing you have no power to change makes you unlovable which is why I am leaving you". Trust me. I'd rather be ghosted, or dumped for futile reasons. Dealing with the aftermath of being told something like that takes a lot of mental strength.
Oliver Watson
LMAO. I hope this isn't real
Jason Sanders
Thanks. I'll consider it seriously.
Carter Morgan
No problem. Just be kind about it, and please don't ever tell her you're leaving her for her diseases. It's something that was really hard for me to deal with, especially because I know I'll be sick forever. It made me feel extremely unlovable, it's one of the few moments of my life when I contemplated suicide.
John Edwards
Do you still feel that way? Did you find someone who does not have an issue with it?
Xavier Butler
I don't, no. These things happened in my late teens and early 20s. I went to therapy. I found a really amazing man (who is far better on the paper than all the guys who ever rejected me, ironically) who loves me more than anything in the world and has no problems with my disease. We talked about it extensively, and he showed me nothing but understanding and compassion. Since my disease has just a slim chance of being passed down genetically, especially because he has no familiarity for it whatsoever, he said it is fine for him.
Jordan Gonzalez
I am glad to hear it. Best of luck to you two.
Matthew Lopez
>Greek god You are an ugly kissless virgin.
Joseph Allen
Leave the poor girl alone. You are genetically inferior to her, and she deserves a better specimen than you.
Isaac Taylor
agreed
Jonathan Thompson
I'm sorry, I was not aware Jow Forums uploaded a transcription of my genome alongside my post.
What a retarded notion. Feel free to disagree with me, or call me names if it makes you feel better, but how exactly would you come to that conclusion, I wonder? Asking honestly here.
Anthony Reed
user, you sound arrogant as shit, called someone "genetically inferior" because of very trivial health issues. People took offence for the general tone of your post.
People are mostly implying that you're an asshole.
Logan Diaz
Not OP, but that doesn't have anything to do with genes. He could be completely serious about being a Greek god even if he is a huge dick.
Justin Garcia
Your sons won't necessarily be weak or unhealthy exclusively because of her genetics though, right? This is more like, making sure your children will have the best possible future they can have as well as you having a decent relationship?
Ethan Perez
I'm the girl with a chronic disease, I never attacked him.
I don't blame him for thinking like he does, or for believing he is a greek god. But he comes off as a jerk.
Blake Walker
You clearly suffer from some sort of mental disability. Otherwise you’re just trolling.
Lincoln Moore
>comparing yourself to a greek god >putting yourself on a pedestal >leaving a good, pretty and slender woman just because of "allergies" you make it seem like the woman has AIDS or something more extreme women are weak, of course they're going to have something wrong with them, but if that's the ONLY thing that's wrong with her you're making a huge mistake.
Samuel Sullivan
>coming to Jow Forums >getting offended at anything >getting offended at honesty on Jow Forums
Please sweetums, they are words on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, do not get negatively affected by them. For proper advice, it's important that he's honest about his perspective. In my estimation, that's more important than your feelings. You can't stop all anons from being offensive, but you can change/control how you react to offensive anons. Get some thicker skin, it's an amazing thing that you can take anywhere in life.
Luke Hughes
Why should you even care what she thinks god. The world bows down to you and you already know there is no way she can resist. No way she could be thinking you're an arrogant asshole god. No way she could be laughing about you with her friends. How about you convince a physically acceptable female to to carry your child and let this girl you met raise the child. Both of them surely will see the wisdom in this and jump at the chance to please you.
Nolan Smith
Heil mein fuhrer!
Lincoln Johnson
I'm not offended in the slightest. I think his point of view is as respectable as any and not wanting to be in a relationship with someone for whatever reason is fair. I have been told that people didn't want to be with me because I'm sick, and it was extremely painful for me to deal with it. It was something completely outside of my control, that ruined many aspects of my life already, and it was really hard to get over the fact that it made me also undesirable as a partner when I'm an otherwise really desirable person.
He does sound like a jerk, so people will treat him like he's a jerk. That's it.
Hudson Cruz
Don't bread with her OP
She doesn't deserve to have retard kids because of your mentally inferior genes
Tyler Wilson
This OP may be trolling but I can confirm a lot of men are exactly like this. I fell for them before and try as I might they are never satisfied, always critical and become violent when you've had enough and leave them. Seriously, without fail these men become unhinged and stalk and bully and threaten and shove and punch and choke. Call the police and they will calmly say, look at her and look at me, why should I care what she does, she's crazy. Thankfully their arrogance does them in.
Asher Hill
it would. don't ghost. that shit destroys people.
Blake Fisher
Not as much as being told "You're completely undesirable and will never be good enough to be loved because of a thing outside of your control".
Being dumped for a shit reason or ghosted hurts 10x less.
Juan Morgan
Then why insult him? That's not going to change anyone's mind.behavior or make someone, who is previously not self-aware, self-aware. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems to me to be a judgement expressed solely for your gratification, which you would only do if you were negatively affected by his statements.
I understand how painful it is to hear the truth, but, as you said, it's a condition that is not completely in your control. You don't need to meet that seemingly helpless reality with a helpless victim's mindset. Rise above that suffering and, in doing so, find some meaning in that struggle.
Zachary Flores
Be completely honest with her OP. Even if it does hurt her more than a white-lie, it'll be better for her in the long run. Don't steal from her the growth that could be had from that experience. It's selfish, be honest. Don't leave things to ambiguity. You should do this at the very least out of respect for this person.
Carter Flores
I'm with you man, I wouldn't want to reproduce with an unhealthy women either, but at the same time those are some desirable physical traits she has. Looks, physique, and intelligence will take a person far. If you have those same traits with a S tier health record, he might just take after you in that regard.
Don't talk to her about it and don't call her genetically inferior because that's fucking autistic. If you don't want to have kids with her consider a surrogate. If not, leave.
Michael Hill
Your genes can fix her bad genes, those few things you name aren't that bad. But to be real it's a gamble, but if you genes are that good it could be a gamble thats in your favor.
And I assume she isn't that to bad, you're just really picky; atleast that's how you sound like.
Daniel Peterson
Fuck the bitch until you get the hybrid vigor of a highly intelligent chad.
Carson Williams
Where have I insulted him? All I said is that he comes off as a jerk. I don't think he is one for not wanting to be with a sick woman, or that he is one for being arrogant. He is really arrogant.
I never really said anything mean about him as a person, I just told him to please avoid hurting her by telling her that she is unlovable because of her disease. It is something that is extremely hard to deal with, and it honestly made me suicidal when I was younger. I am absolutely fine now, I have an amazing life and an amazing partner. But if he can save her pain by watching his words, he should.
And the fact is that you are helpless against a chronic disease. You're sick, and you have to deal with it. I'm not advocating that you should allow yourself to live your life as a poor sick person and never do anything to better yourself, but accepting that you cannot change the fact that you are sick and it is going to ruin your life forever is an important step towards living the rest of your life rather positively, in my experience. I kept trying really hard to overcome the limits my body gave me, and failing really hard, and being extremely sad because of it. The moment I started accepting my limits and tried to better myself as much as I could in the realm of possibilities, without comparing myself to healthy people, was the moment I actually achieved something valuable and started feeling better with myself.
Then I don't have a flu, or an allergy. I have a really serious, systemic illness.
Hunter Harris
>Don't steal from her the growth that could be had from that experience. There's no growth behind this. You cannot fix this. You're not telling a person "I can't love you because you're too fat, lose weight". He's telling her "I can't love you because of something you have no control over and can never change". It's unnecessary, she cannot change anything about it, she just have to deal with the suffering from being unlovable and hopefully not internalise it and overcome it. But it is unnecessary and painful.
Cameron Butler
No, but you can become comfortable with that fact and stronger from the experience. Your view of growth is distorted and wrong. No matter the situation, there is always something to be gained; otherwise, you become resentful, jaded, cynical, and self-destructive.
You haven't learned from your's, which is why they still haunt you.
It's necessary because it's his truth. The truth, no matter how uncomfortable, is always the best thing to hear mid to long-term. Sometimes it will break you, but that's not a bad thing. For that will clear the deadwood and allow something new to come into being.
Elijah Johnson
Kill yourself and donate all of your wealth to science dedicated to helping people like this girl.
Cameron Ross
>insulted him >jerk
wew All your posts reek of unresolved problems and emotions.
Everyone goes through suffering. If you avoid it, instead of facing the reality head-on with the intent to struggle against it, you deny yourself that growth that could be had.
Your situation defines a limited area of possible behavior, you're correct, but you can always maximize the potential of that situation for your best desired outcome. You have free will, and there is always a choice.
You're not helpless, you can better yourself in other ways that make the experience much more bearable. You can become more comfortable and secure with that fact. You can face your problems/insecurities head-on and grow. You can find the meaning in your life, and make the experience bearable and meaningful.
That's exactly what those who survived the camps in the 20th century did. They didn't resign themselves helplessly to that fate. They saw a future and clung to it. That imagined future made every act of suffering meaningful. Instead of unnecessary suffering, it became a cost, or investment, necessary for that future to be made into reality. Had they resigned themselves to a helpless fate, they would've died like the rest. Those that survived that immense suffering did so because they made the experience meaningful.
>It is something that is extremely hard to deal with, and it honestly made me suicidal when I was younger.
You keep bringing this up. That experience is regrettable because you still have something to gain from it. You are selfishly denying someone the truth, and the opportunity for growth that comes with it, because you denied yourself that growth.
Angel Clark
>The moment I started accepting my limits and tried to better myself as much as I could in the realm of possibilities, without comparing myself to healthy people, was the moment I actually achieved something valuable and started feeling better with myself.
You confronted the truth of your situation, instead of falling for the allure of a comforting lie, and decided to struggle against that reality. That's great, I'm suggesting he do the same, so the person can have that same opportunity. However, she does have fucking allergies, and she might just perceive the whole thing to be ridiculous.
Parker Barnes
Humble yourself, you have no idea how autistic you sound right now you faggot
Thanks. I’ll be adding this to my copy pasta folder.
Julian Watson
>How do I resolve this issue? adopt
William Cooper
I don't think he is a jerk. I think his attitude might make him come off as a jerk, which is why some people took offence with his post. I have said this 4 times, I don't know how to make this any more clear. I do not think he is a jerk. I think he is arrogant.
Being sick of a chronic disease is not something you get over. It isn't something that passes. It isn't, like in your example, something comparable with a camp that at some point you get out of. The only way I'm ever getting out of my sickness is when my sickness will kill me. That's it. I am going to live with it for the rest of my life. There's no future when I'm healthy, there's no me without this. There's no "out of the camp" to cling to. I have to resign myself to my helpless fate because it is what it is - because my fate is absolutely helpless when it comes to this. There's no hope I'll ever be healthy.
I can make my best with the cards I've been dealt, and that's what I do. I think my sickness has been a gift, in some ways, because it made me discover things about myself and do things with my life I wouldn't have done otherwise. Things that make me genuinely happy. I work my ass off to be the best person I can be, with the limits my body has.
I haven't denied myself that growth. I've been through it, I grew out of it. It was painful, and painful in an unnecessary way. I took those words as a truth and it hurt me so much to think I was forever unlovable because of it. I believed it, and it was absolutely devastating. I resigned myself to be lonely forever. And it is something that isn't even true, because there are people who loved me despite my health problems and that never made them to be an issue. I'm just saying that it is unnecessary to put people through that kind of pain. That personally, as a person who was told that kind of things more than once, it is extremely painful.
Then maybe this girl will laugh it off as she should since she doesn't really have health problems.
Camden King
Woah calm down Nikola Tesla it's not her fault you think like a fuckin' psycho. If you're worried about "genes" then don't reproduce because your mental health genes will get passed on and make future kids think with this inhuman mindset
Nolan Thompson
You sound like Patrick Bateman lel Not everyone needs to have kids, just don't have them
Parker James
You clearly need somebody else genetically superior. Have you considered any of your relatives?
Michael Scott
Based and redpilled
Kayden Peterson
Look how genetics work you amateur!
Asher Reed
>genetically inferior specimen Please seek treatment for your autism.
Jayden Cooper
Sounds like you need to kill yourself or get a your balls chopped and join the fkn army you loser
Leo Murphy
Narcissistic personality disorder. Just have kids or stfu. You're not going to be fathering the ubermensch anyway
Tyler Lee
>you sound like an anhorent human being who for some reason believes he’s an incredible scientist and a prince. the fact I tell you this doesn’t matter, because you have no insight into your personalty, and this thread is just a ploy for attention.
Jaxson Howard
This should have been listed way earlier. Everybody could have agreed on it, nur no this thread which started with real issue derailed into buthurt shitshow.
Of curse some allergies are no big deal but it shouldnt be a reason to feel inferiour and start throwing shit at OP, jesus. But the topic is something to think about. Would you want to reproduce with a person with SERIOUS genetically transmitted deseases in their family history? Trisomie or some other heavie stuff. Whats your deseas? Ive got typ 1 diabetes. Got it as a 6 year old. Asked my mom if i should ever get children because of it one year later, i was curious and hadnt emosions towards the issue then, it just popped in my infantly mind. I dont remember but i propably made the poor woman cry. 5% chance to pass it to your offspring btw.
Nathan Ward
OP here.
Honestly surprised this thread is still alive.
Read every post. A lot of you seem very... uh... narrow-minded, I'd say. I'm not asking you to agree with me or support me, or even to like me, but damn it, most of the angry comments disregard the fact that my position is absolutely valid, and none of you even bothered to provide arguments as to why my way of thinking is wrong. It's all based on some abstract sentiment of romance.
Well, I have my priorities, and I accept the fact that they are different from yours. I don't tell you how to think of live your life, and I'm fully aware that there is a price to pay for the way I look at life. You can call me hold-hearted, calculating or even a sociopath, but romance is a price I'm willing to pay for genetically superior offspring. I don't care about your hand-holding bullshit, I want to create life that is as perfect as possible. It's a legit goal in life, and if you don't agree with it - fine by me.
Picture related, my Greek god body. That should shut up at least half of you.
This is next level bait or some lame Incel roleplay. Anyone who uses phrases like "genetically inferior/superior" is either an animal breeder or an incel.
Zachary Long
Or maybe eugenics gives me a hard-on. Did you think about that, cunt?
Elijah Young
That's good to know. Do you talk like weirdo in person as well?
James Morgan
No, I'm a very sociable and well-liked person. Just last week a friend of mine, who is getting married soon, asked me to prepare a speech for the wedding. I was also class president at my university, and delivered the valedictory.
Is that enough to shut your biased ass up?
Jesus Christ, the narrow-mindedness of you people. Everything's so damn simple to you. HURR, THIS MAN SAY THINGS I NOT LIKE, MUST BE SERIAL KILLER WHO LIVES IN THE SEWER.
What a fucking worldview.
Seriously, the only sane minded person in this thread is the girl with a chronic disease. She doesn't like me, but at least she gets where I'm coming from. You lot are just brain-dead.
So, you’d get into a relationship with people who aren’t attractive?
Jeremiah Robinson
Your concerns are valid if the diseases she has are genetic, but allergies are not. What do you mean by weak vegetative nervous system?
Owen Bell
Autoimmune shit. Rheumatoid arthritis on steroids, basically. I don't want to say the name because I got local famous for it and if you google hard enough you can see my full name and my fucking face when you google the name of my disease.
It has some familiarity, but since my SO has no familiarity at all for it, it is extremely unlikely that our children have it.
Looking good, OP.
Aaron Sanchez
You dont have to justify yourself my man. You shouldn't let comments on the internet bruise your ego so much. In a way I'm trying to help. You're not doing yourself any favors sounding like Elliot Rodgers.
Logan Hughes
You know serial killers can blend into society? Like a chameleon. That’s what you are.
Christian Nguyen
>the only sane minded person in this thread is the girl with a chronic disease Oh this was cute. Thanks.
Blake Miller
It's not about justifying myself, it's just an honest appeal for people to broaden their intellectual horizons a bit. But you're right, in over-explaining myself as such I may have made myself seem a bit too vulnerable. In the end, it's not the comments that get to me, it's the speed with which people tend to reject anything they deem not conventional enough. It's all so tiresome.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, but you must agree that one's ability to function normally in a society is hardly an immediate warning sign of a serial killer. Like, come on, man. You're triple-jumping to conclusions here, don't you think?