How can you be proud of something that was neither a personal feat nor even, like language, a personal acquisition?

enlighten me, seriously

you honor them and you continue what they did. that's how.
now fuck off ywith your post-modern quibblings.

>Friend does something good

Ok, but he DID something good, whiteness is not the result of an action.

Same goes with blackness. Racial pride is bad no matter what.

but that's says nothing, can i be proud of my tall dad for being tall and passing those gens to me?

Because because of how genetics work I am literally a part of some of those people who accomplished those things and would like to continue making unique contributions to the world.

It's good that we're on the same page then.

It's semantics, the real term is European but it doesn't really matter either way

God created me this way you bigot.

>being proud of the success of the people you love and the people from which you descend

No one loves you.

yeah i gt what your'e saying but how come whiteness is a feature of belonging to a community? i mean, tallness or redheadedness is not considered a community of people to which one can belong. its just a physical characteristic. yet somehow whiteness is a thing

Because you are bigger than just yourself alone. It’s biology 101.

>it is possible for a asian child to be born of two black parents

but i have all kind of physical characteristic, im descend from people with brown eyes, im descend from people who have the shape of cheekbones that i inherited, im descend from people with brown hair and im descend from people with white skin. so why whiteness is the key feature here?

The association between skin color and community isn't fucking arbitrary like height or hair color. Skin color corresponds to genetically and geographically distinct populations.

Yeah, and white people (depending on how you define 'white') did a lot of cool shit over the years, like invent western civilization. I like western civilization, I identify with western civilization because it shares my values more than any other, so I'm proud of it.

So you're suggesting that people stop caring who they reproduce with and who reproduces. That does sound nice but a problem is that would mean the way to succeed and have genetic expression in humanity would be just to have as many children as possible which might have various negative outcomes for humanity. If you're suggesting that people don't take lineage into account and only take personal accomplishments then that is probably a healthier approach but still could end up destroying unique peoples and contributions and life evolves and diverges anyway. Obviously it makes no sense to attribute qualities a person's people commonly exhibits to a member of them that doesn't exhibit said quality and people shouldn't look down on interracial pairings but just the same a people wanting to preserve its uniqueness shouldn't be admonished either.

C'mon, don't be like that. It's disingenuous to pretend you don't know why people take pride in their heritage.

As a quarter Asian mutt, I can say with confidence that the pride these people have is simply due to having a cultural belonging. It might be mixed up to the point of just 'european' belonging, but they can be proud of their ancestry regardless, just like black pride, arab pride and other minority groups take pride in their cultural identity. Stop pretending that whites are racist for knowing they are white.

>how do you see something as a skin tone as important
phenotypes have correlation to genotypes. genotypes have correlation with abilities. abilities have correlation with accomplishments.

I dunno ask niggers.

that's not what i said. i meant that the child born th those parents never had a choice as to the parents to which she will be born. her Asianness to totally coincidental to her

It's the heritage. I'm proud of the collective accomplishments of the people with the common genetic kinship which I am a part of. I am an extension of my parents. My parents are an extension of my family. My family is a part of my race.

And my parents, who are an extension of my race, have seen fit to invest their resources into creating me to continue this family and race. This nation. I'm proud to have that heritage imbued in my very genetic code. I'm proud to be the product of that investment and sacrifice, and recognize my duty in continuing it to the next generation. The memes and genes that have created me are something I treasure because they're what helped advance the accomplishments of my race.

Your problem, OP, is viewing the world as a bunch of compartmentalized individuals.

Whiteness isn't the key feature, race is the distinguishing feature. It has, since the beginning of history, set apart distinct groups of people.

Not only are they correlated, they are predictive. Predictive of aptitude, behavior, physical traits and propensity for diseases.

Since when is IQ a physical characteristic? Other races are intellectually superior to blacks. That's a fact

Someone who is in a way associated with you does something good. That's what he meant. So if someone who is white does something good, another white person may be proud of it. Do you understand that? He didn't say whiteness is the result of some action, or whatever

Sure, being proud of simply being white is a bit meaningless
But that isn't what white nationalism(etc) has to be about. It's more about a sense of community felt by white people. Being proud of being a part of this community, feeling good about it, being proud of its achievements

>how do you see something as a skin tone as important
Well, you should see something as important, right? Although, nihilism is always a possibilty, and certainly a logical one, but it's not good for society Being proud of being white seems to make sense as whites have proven what they are capable of. And being united under race seems way more productive and stable than being united under countries or, as your memeflag suggests, under nothing

>but how come whiteness is a feature of belonging to a community? i mean, tallness or redheadedness is not considered a community of people to which one can belong. its just a physical characteristic. yet somehow whiteness is a thing
What the fuck? If redheads wanna unite that's fine, they can do that
Skin color differences are much more significant than differences in hair color.
Being white makes me clearly different from other people. Also, race is the result of the geographical conditions that my ancestors lived in. People like me, whites, have lived in a specific area, which along with our skin color, differentiates us from people of other races
The differences don't stop at skin color. There are differences in IQ and behavior. I wanna live with people who think and behave in a way that makes sense to me

Also, remove the memeflag, nigger

its just my skin tone you fucking bigot, how is it alright if you call people out specifically for skin color but would shriek to the heavens if the shoe was on the other foot.
let me guess, some rambling about power
no you're just a fucking bigot yourself, by your own standards
you want an apology for something someone else did from me?
here's your apology *grabs cock* and you can come collect it any time, faggot

the fact that two Asians make an Asian proves it isn't "coincidental".

but being western and being white is not the same thing. a person with black skin can be easily western (today being western means very little actually, the west has no real content)

western culture is a culture, meaning that its something that you do

being white is an innate property that has nothing to do with action. there's nothing you can do to become white or loss your witness

>a person with black skin can be easily western
they can join western culture sure but they can't create it. if they could then Africa would be at least livable if not a cultural paragon

I stand on the shoulders of Giants. I am here because of what my ancestors accomplished. My parents, my grandparents, my line, back to the beginning. They fought and struggled and persevered when others did not. I may have had nothing to do with that struggle, but I am the end result of that, and I take pride in those that went before me and paved the way for my success. The genetic code you so blythely dismiss is the most precious gift they bequeathed to me. It is mine. It tells me they are me, and I am them. How can I not be proud?

i dont think you realize the extent of influence of the Islamic world on western culture. people from Arabia are not "white"

western civilization cannot be considered as "white people's" civilization.

I don't see how anything you said is a counter to anything I said. Pride is an emotion, and when I group I identify with (white people) does a thing I like (create western civilization), I feel that emotion, and you can't argue an emotion out of me. I can't comment on what a black person feels comfortable taking pride in because I'm not one.

ah, forget it

ill just leave this here:

Human beings were mobilized in terms of their lowest and most superficial common denominator, and they responded. People who had abandoned their villages and families, who were forgetting their languages and losing their cultures, who were all but depleted of their sociability, were manipulated into considering their skin color a substitute for all they had lost. They were made proud of something that was neither a personal feat nor even, like language, a personal acquisition. They were fused into a nation of white men. (White women and children existed only as scalped victims, as proofs of the bestiality of the hunted prey.) The extent of the depletion is revealed by the nonentities the white men shared with each other: white blood, white thoughts, and membership in a white race. Debtors, squatters and servants, as white men, had everything in common with bankers, land speculators and plantation owners, nothing in common with Redskins, Blackskins or Yellowskins. Fused by such a principle, they could also be mobilized by it, turned into white mobs; lynch mobs, “Indian fighters.”

youtube.com/watch?v=MODP4BTVq6M

can you make your arguments about blackness or jewishness? they sound a little ugly in that context don't they? that's because you're a racist hypocrite masquerading as someone with superior morals and intellect

If you want to play word games, I’m proud of whiteness because the opposite is blackness, and everyone hates niggers. Jews are honorary niggers

>muh zero
fuck off. the most affect the Islamic world has on western culture is being wholeheartedly against it

Why does Tim Wise want to abolish this?

It is not "coincidence." I didn't choose my parents. But they chose each other. They actively chose to have me as a child and chose to raise me and give me more of an advantage they had. My birth and nurturing was not a random coincidental act.

of course i can. Jewishness is actually not the same as whiteness or blackness since Judaism is at least, before modernity, was a religion and not a race. meaning is was a certain way. you had to do things in a certain way to be a jew.

you dont have to do anything to be black or white, you're just stuck with it, branded for life.

>not understanding what genes ARE

Genes are information which has copied itself through time. For the great majority of it, for many hundreds of millions of years. Each organism is in the same chain of information as the organisms in its lineage. The familial line is the strongest chain, to the point that a person is a copy of both their mother and their father fused together. Therefore, you are also a copy of all four grandparents fused together, and so on. Therefore, the achievements of your race are the achievements of many diverse (YOU) parts from the past.

In that same sense, clones created today would be very similar to children, but with an even closer link to (YOU) because they ARE you. Simply born in a different moment in space and time; shaped by the pressure of information uniquely affecting them. Anything those clones do can be credited back to the original (YOU) since the same genetic information is exerting its force upon the world. Likewise, anything you do can be credited to the clones because your genetic information exerted its force upon the world by creating the clones.

>but being western and being white is not the same thing. a person with black skin can be easily western (today being western means very little actually, the west has no real content)

Alright guys, the nigger is sub 90 IQ. What we want, my little retarded friend, is to live in peace and prosperity. We want nice living conditions at the detriment of no one. We want safe places and clean streets. For thousands of years our ancestors fought and worked and refined our way of life until it looked like something subhumans would call 'Heaven'.
Shitskins don't want any of this. You want widespread rape, murder, theft, mob violence, wife beating, child grooming, human trafficking, turf wars, slavery, gang violence, extreme damage to everyone's property, hard drugs in circulation, abolishment of schools, law and order. We don't want you and your disgustingly violent comrades shitting all over the civilization our ancestors bled to build. You're a nuisance, a pest. And worst of all? You know that what you do is wrong, that it is evil, that it highlights your inferiority, your unwillingness to work, your lack of love for other forms of life that aren't 'you'. You abandon your kids - sometimes even rape them - and you think it's okay because they are not 'you'. Shitskins are strangers to collectivism and civility. You only understand blade and bullet and that is exactly what I'll give you if you dare try to destroy all things good in my home.
You despicable monster.

>its by sheet coincidence that we are born with this or that skin color
It's the exact opposite of coincidence, you were only going to ever exist as the person you are because you can't exist as a different person. To say "you could have been born as X" is an absurd statement since it's impossible for You to have been born in any other state than the one you were. If a person were born in state X they would not be you, they would be someone else entirely.

This is assumes you aren't an adherent of mind-body dualism that thinks minds can be entirely separated from a body and theoretically attached to another one with no change to the actual mental state that effects things like behavior and personality.

>since Judaism is at least, before modernity, was a religion and not a race
This is not true. Only in the last few hundred years did Jews accept others. In antiquity they behaved as a race, and desired the enslavement of all others.

you’re speaking to a nigger. they do not think of the future when reproducing, baby nigglets are all accidental.

Our ancestors lived and died for their future progeny, NOT other people's.

We can take pride in what they left for us, other people can not!

How can you be proud of anything beyond your own personal accomplishments? You didn't charge Normandy, you mincey faggot.

That's a result of choice, not coincidental. There's a difference. What point is there to anything beyond the individual, in the moment, under this deconstructivist nihilism?

>How can you be proud of your father?
>How can you be proud of your brothers?
>How can you be proud of your family?
>How can you be proud of your community?
>Since you can't be proud about any of these things you definitely can't be proud of your nation!

I think all these Leftist are just angsty faggots who resent their families. People like Jordan Peterson regurgitate this exact same fallacious nonsense to discredit the concept of pride itself. They try to devalue an intrinsic and healthy human emotion because they're all sick inside.

no in antiquity there was not race. race is a modern thing. before modernity Judaism was a religious, a person was a jew so long as be PRACTICED Judaism. if he didn't practice it he wasn't in the "club" any more. if he converted then he wasn't a jew anymore.

a "race" is a club which you cant join or leave. its a pennant stigmata

no its not a choice, a choice would be you, prior to your birth, picking your white skinned parents.

this is such a painfully stupid question.
its like saying 'how can you be proud to have been born with the genes to be a world class sprinter.. you didnt CHOOSE those genes'.
you, sir, are a tardbaby.

a person can be proud of something even if it was not chosen.
You have failed to trigger Jow Forums today,
Try harder tomorrow

oh my god, you think you have the sun shining from you ass becouse your skin is of a certain tone. its pathetic.

the truth is that only an extremely depleted person can be proud of physical characteristics that he inherited from his parents

saying im a proud white person is exactly like saying im a proud tall person, its nothing, it wasn't up to you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luck_egalitarianism

It is irrational to be proud of things that you are not responsible for and were simply statistically lucky to have, and the same goes for feeling pride for others.

It is irrational to feel proud of having the property of whiteness. You are simply lucky to have been born white. It makes no linguistic sense to feel proud of being lucky. You can feel happy that you are white but that has nothing to do with responsibility, collective or individual.

Thanks

>the west has no real content
This absolute POOP BRAIN meme.
The only reason that might even seem to be true is because the West defined what is average. The West influenced the rest of the world by the magnitude of its culture so heavily that "normal" IS Western.

A choice was made to bring you into this world. Your parents choice. These things have cause and effect, and all in tandem to effect a collective experience. That it's not your choice, means nothing.

>how can you be proud of something that was neither a personal feat nor even, like language, a personal acquisition?
Why couldn't you?

>the nigger is so stupid it can't comprehend this post so it can't even make a niggerbabble shitreply

>Today the West is the GI who dashes into Fallujah on an M1 Abrams tank, listening to heavy metal at top volume. It’s the tourist lost on the Mongolian plains, mocked by all, who clutches his credit card as his only lifeline. It’s the CEO who swears by the game Go. It’s the young girlchchases who chases happiness in clothes, guys, and moisturizing creams. It’s the Swiss human rights activist who travels to the four corners of the earth to show solidarity with all the world’s rebels — provided they’ve been defeated. It’s the Spaniard who couldn’t care less about political freedom once he’s been granted sexual freedom. It’s the art lover who wants us to be awestruck before the “modern genius” of a century of artists, from surrealism to Viennese actionism, all competing to see who could best spit in the face of civilization. It’s the cyberneticist who’s found a realistic theory of consciousness in Buddhism and the quantum physicist who’s hoping that dabbling in Hindu metaphysics will inspire new scientific discoveries.

>The West is a civilization that has survived all the prophecies of its collapse with a singular stratagem. Just as the bourgeoisie had to deny itself as a class in order to permit the bourgeoisification of society as a whole, from the worker to the baron; just as capital had to sacrifice itself as a wage relation in order to impose itself as a social relation — becoming cultural capital and health capital in addition to finance capital; just as Christianity had to sacrifice itself as a religion in order to survive as an affective structure — as a vague injunction to humility, compassion, and weakness; so the West has sacrificed itself as a particular civilization in order to impose itself as a universal culture. The operation can be summarized like this: an entity in its death throws sacrifices itself as a content in order to survive as a form.

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no idea, but the liberal media keep promoting black pride.

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I didn't give a second thought to being white or not white until the diversity multiculturalist anti-European train kicked into turbogear.

You're one of the dumber commies I've seen on here, nice job

so are you ok being branded a certain way regardless of you? i think its very insulting to one's dignity. its a club who nobody asked you to join and the participation in it is mandatory.

its like:"who the fuck are you? nah, you're coming with us!"

a freedom loving person wont appreciate this

You can be genetically Jewish

You only say this because you were born to a shit race you cant quit lol

>It is irrational to be proud of things that you are not responsible for
By that logic no one should be proud of anything since every trait a human can have is a product of genetic determinism. Natural ability goes without saying but even success that results from hard work is a the product of behavioral traits making you predisposed to being willing to labor in the interest of long term goals. The logical conclusion of radical egalitarian agendas is the dragging down of everyone to the absolute lowest common denominator so that the naturally gifted aren't advantaged over the naturally worthless which is a goal so absurd and self-destructive that it's embarrassing it has any traction at all in the world.

>how can you be proud of something that was neither a personal feat nor even, like language, a personal acquisition?
the same way you can be proud of your kid when they accomplish something.

show me the rule where you can't be proud of anything unless it's a self centered achievement? there isn't one. and you know this.

The fact that it wasn't up to you is what makes it meaningful. Of the combinations of coalesced things and people, this is you. Or you can go on seeing the world as random events brought on random individuals, a hollow world view i once had. It makes people miserable, and some adopt freakish cults of identity.

you didn't get to pick your kids either but you are still proud when they accomplish something. deep down you know this is dumb and you won't find any validation of these wrong beliefs here.

>bourgeoisie had to deny itself as a class in order to permit the bourgeoisification of society as a whole
Nonsense word salad.
>capital had to sacrifice itself as a wage relation in order to impose itself as a social relation — becoming cultural capital and health capital in addition to finance capital
Nonsense word salad.
>West has sacrificed itself as a particular civilization in order to impose itself as a universal culture
Nonsense word salad. >implying the West doesn't still exist and can't be easily pointed to on a map

Killing kikes and shitskins and dissolving their machinations will certainly cure almost all of the degeneracy. But this kike commie reading of history is just nonsense. Perhaps you should understand the "content" of what you copy and paste before you do so, dumb nigger.

Yes, because I am this, and me not being born without it makes no difference. You can choose not to identify with it. That's still a choice, and one you've made. Stop being assblasted that others choose to accept and identify with what they are.

ever since modernity, YES. but before modernity the notion of Race didn't existed. if modernity didn't happen a person like Hitler would have forced the Jews to convert, like the King of Spain did at one time. but becouse Jewishness was codified as a Race during modernity Jewishness became a club one could not leave.

just like a "white person" or a "black" one cant jump out of his skin

>you're allowed to do whatever, that's not the question tho, the question is how do you see something as a skin tone as important
black people aren't hated because of their skin color.
they're hated because of how they act. are you that delusional?

the same reason Jow Forums hates slavs (mostly) because they have white skin but act like niggers.

>Replace the various European peoples (A) with "whiteness" (B)
>Dismantle whiteness

Congratulations you burnt a strawman

>memeflag
>niggerlover
checks out

Then you fight it cause we have it?
BTFO kike.

tallness is a thing to a lesser extent. me and the other tall guys often do greet each other in a funny way in public.

>how can you be proud of

I'm proud of my ancestors and people like I am proud of my father, my son and family.

That doesn't mean I literally take pride in my son's tiddlywinks competition as my own.

>Same goes with blackness. Racial pride is bad no matter what.
dafuq

Ask Margaret Cho

You are a retarded piece of garbage. ONLY in white countries do people think that race or tribe is not important and ONLY in white countries will that sophist rhetoric be listened to. You try that anywhere else and you will be laughed at or attacked.

You are so sheltered and naive it hurts not only me metaphorically but your actual people physically.

Sure, people before modernity (15th to 20th century, depending on who you ask), certainly did recognize racial differences between people's. The fact that this didn't make them stop killing other whites from different cultures (something no individual decides either) doesn't change that.

>Ethnic and ancestral identity is skin tone

Except Finn's are not English

Based As Hell

Why is whiteness a bad thing but the others not?

but those racial categories carry weight regardless of my personal "self identification". a "white" farmer in SA could be killed regardless if he identifies with his whiteness or not, same as a "black" person could be imprisoned more heavily then he would have if he wasn't "white"

Race is an abstraction, but an abstraction that is real. regardless of personal identification. its a structure of things, one can personally not self identify with the prison he's in but he's still inside that motherfucker

Why should gays be proud of being gay then? It's said that that is an inherent quality not a personal feat.

>no in antiquity there was not race. race is a modern thing
there were tribes. and all tribes were the same skin color. it's all about tribes

i never said the other ones are good

How are aggregates of ethnic groups "not real"?

What aspect of ancestral Identity is "not real" or an abstraction (an abstraction from what?)