Redpill me on Wicca

>stop asking questions
>just follow MY religion

>neo paganism in genera l "all modern forms of pre christian revisionist faiths"

>have no basis in history, they were made by by bored upper-class teenagers in the 19th century..
>asatru, wicca all that shit has nothing to do with how pre christian people practiced they're faith, you see our ancestors beliefs were an ethnic blend of superstitions , beliefs and traditions..
and it would be impossible recreate with the limited resources and the modern mindset we possess ..
This is bullshit. First off, it doesn't need to be a absolutely perfect recreation. Just good enough. Secondly, there are written sources on all the pre-Christian European religions with varying degrees of completeness. Thirdly, many pagan European traditions still exist to this day. Fourthly most European religions are interrelated and information about one of them can help clear up issues reconstructing another. Also we literally have everything we need to remove from our modern cultures and mindsets recorded in one written source, (((the Bible))). It would be better to have Whites follow imperfect restorations of their native religions than have Whites follow a religion literally created by (((our enemies'))) to trick us into doing (((their))) bidding.

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Wicca is completely made up by that dead occultist englishman. Folkish pagans on the other hand seek to emulate the actual religions of their pre christian ancestors.

Wiccan beliefs stem from an imagined history. They take some Crowley golden dawn shit and mix it with a good side helping of Renaissance fairy make believe jumbo nonsense. Wiccanism was a clear case of LSD and mushroom overuse.

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The important part about practicing any kind of paganism or any religion is that that religion provides an effective mating strategy that produces more adherents. If paganism doesn't get you a wife and six kids, it's not a viable religion.

it's a 'religion' for bitches and fags

Pagan girls are usually ether super hot and crazy or fat

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Christianity is a nigger religion.

Every surviving aspect of pre Christian culture survived through Catholicism.. paganism is not some easily definable encompassing faith .. it’s small regional ethnic traditions, that survive through greater Catholicism ..

You forgot our people self converted most of the times and they’re prechristian beliefs melded with Catholicism ..

Honestly we know very little how they viewed there faith , or even practiced it ..
Yes we know of some major festivals and celebrations but the very essence of there beliefs and practices are lost ..

But they live on through regional forms of Catholicism.. if you’ve noticed many Protestant areas purged these traditional syncretic practices which makes it even harder..

That’s why in areas like Ireland or Italy major catholic areas many syncretic e still remain

Wasn't the guy obsessed with the White Goddess tier bullshit about a matriarchal society that used to exist before patriarchy that was somehow a utopia but no evidence backs this claim up?

wiccans are leftist because they worship the devil, and the globalist jews that rule the world worship the devil too.

Pagans are right wing like christians are, that is why the satanic jews start so many divide and conquer threads against christians and pagans.

Basically jews promote unity with leftwing groups while dividing and conquering right wing groups.

>The important part about practicing any kind of paganism or any religion is that that religion provides an effective mating strategy that produces more adherents. If paganism doesn't get you a wife and six kids, it's not a viable religion.
If it was judged by that criteria Anti-Semitism would be the only viable ideology and thus whichever religion allows for the most Anti-Semitism would be the one to pick. Pro-tip it's definitely not Christianity.

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Are you serious all we know of say the Norse beliefs is recorded from Christian monks .. you can’t recreate a complex set of beliefs and superstitions from the writings we have ..

your Really downplaying the encompassing aspects of the Norse faiths it’s in no forms of completeness and we in no way know how Germanic traditions would have reformed..

Modern paganism is 1000% a larp

Wicca was literally invented as a modern, family friendly and progressive wishy-washy witchcraft. Paganism is also more of a genre of religion, or a classification, than any one specific tradition.

The problem left unexamined usually is that, basically, it isn’t paganism unless it is multi-generational and traditional. It also isn’t paganism unless you actually believe it.

Pre-indoeuropean societies are thought to be matriarcal, then again Wicca mixes everything and makes up lots of stuff, it's like a pagan scientology. Also Traditional paganism was practiced by some groups of fascists and nazi, after the war by some masons.

All forms of neo paganism are extremely larp ..

You can’t recreate the all encompassing superstitious magical way these people viewed the world ..
Sure we know of midsummer and other celebrations but we don’t know there day to day religious lives ..

And any religious practices weren’t written down by monks for obvious reasons.. that’s why there soo much room for interpretation, it’s honestly just cultural atheism or living history.. the spiritual element is gone

>Every surviving aspect of pre Christian culture survived through Catholicism.. paganism is not some easily definable encompassing faith .. it’s small regional ethnic traditions, that survive through greater Catholicism ..
>You forgot our people self converted most of the times and they’re prechristian beliefs melded with Catholicism ..
>Honestly we know very little how they viewed there faith , or even practiced it ..
>Yes we know of some major festivals and celebrations but the very essence of there beliefs and practices are lost ..
>But they live on through regional forms of Catholicism.. if you’ve noticed many Protestant areas purged these traditional syncretic practices which makes it even harder..
>That’s why in areas like Ireland or Italy major catholic areas many syncretic e still remain
First stop reddit spacing. Second read the whole post. We know exactly what to get rid of. Catholicism/Orthodox have the same issue as Protestantism even if they have retained some of the pre-Christian traditions unlike the latter. They have the kike shit we need to get rid of. And we know exactly what that kike shit is. Instead of just giving up and saying we must preserve the kike religion, we could instead remove all the kike influence and come back with something entirely White.

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It's a meme religion developed by some degenerate in the 1960s.

There's plenty. What's missing can be derived from other Pagan religions in the same family

But then your left with cultural atheism.. living history

Every spiritual element removed , our ancestors merged there pre Christian beliefs with Catholicism

And if you take away the catholic your left with living history.

wicca is a gayfag religion for larping bongs

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Then what’s the point of nationalism lol

That’s what Wicca does you know lol

>all these people bashing Wicca for praising the divine feminine
Femininity is important. I adore women. Just not modern degenerate liberal women. Women are soft, and pretty, and warm, and they smell nice. Imagine a society of only men. It would be awful.

good points about the persistence of pagan traditions in Catholicism, including the idolatrous worship of saints, many of whom were re-purposed local pagan deities.

However the main thing that I always chuck into these threads is that our awareness of what we call Paganism is weird and biased-. I mean people are always fishing around and talking about the difficulty in re-imagining the scraps of rural pagan thought that are left to us, while overlooking the very fucking well known pagans engineers and philosophers who gave us our roads, mathematics, and political philosophy.

That's right, I mean the pantheistic Romans and Greeks.

Want to know Pagan philosophy? Read Aristotle or Seneca. What to know about pagan religious practice? Read Seutonius or Socrates, I dont know.

The point being its kind of strange how I'm sure all you educated gents know this, and yet we all still 'wonder what dem pagans did'

neopaganism isn't a tradition, it isn't based on an unbroken chain handed down through the ages, which all traditions consider vital (Apostolic succession, Dharma lineages, Silsila, etc.) but rather is a made up modern pseudo-religion (if you could even call it that) with no relationship to the real ancient paganism or any potency to fulfill the goal of "religare" or to bind back. Thus I fail to see how any sincere spiritual seeker could take it seriously.

Neopaganism is based on scraps of cosmology and mythology, and mostly from Christian (or Roman in the case of early observations on Celto-Germanic paganism and thus still extraneous) sources, which don't show us what parts of said myths may be Christian (or foreign) interpolations (or misunderstandings.) The interpretations of these myths are based on academic or enthusiast studies, not the authentic esoteric interpretation of the ancient world, which is impossible to know, nor that of realized sages. Simply put, this dearth of material isn't enough to reconstruct a tradition even if reconstructing a dead tradition were possible, which it is not.

Mostly middle aged moms and teenage girls are into Wicca and have bastardised most of the traditional aspects. My mom claims to be Wiccan and she is into all sorts of fluffy bullshit. She also falls for many pyramid schemes and 'this snake oil will drain toxins from your body lol' products. Wicca Is mostly larping and makes people feel special and unique.

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They want to practice a lost ethnic faith based on regional superstitious beliefs and traditions..

They care little about Greek and Roman philosophy, because much of that is what developed Christianity lol

>However the main thing that I always chuck into these threads is that our awareness of what we call Paganism is weird and biased-. I mean people are always fishing around and talking about the difficulty in re-imagining the scraps of rural pagan thought that are left to us, while overlooking the very fucking well known pagans engineers and philosophers who gave us our roads, mathematics, and political philosophy.
>That's right, I mean the pantheistic Romans and Greeks.
>Want to know Pagan philosophy? Read Aristotle or Seneca. What to know about pagan religious practice? Read Seutonius or Socrates, I dont know.
>The point being its kind of strange how I'm sure all you educated gents know this, and yet we all still 'wonder what dem pagans did'
this. Absolutely this. And some blackpilled faggot retards want us to live with kike poison forever and even feed it to our kids.

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Not every religion that isn’t Christian, or even Abrahamic, is automatically pagan. Kabbalist Wiccan is Mason tier. European paganism is about polytheism, ancestor worship, myths and legends, etc.

There was never an all encompassing pagan faith ..

Greco/Roman paganism differed greatly than let’s say the Celtic world

>They want to practice a lost ethnic faith based on regional superstitious beliefs and traditions..
>They care little about Greek and Roman philosophy, because much of that is what developed Christianity lol
No we can fucking separate the Greek and Roman philosophy from the kike poison we need to remove. We have untainted records of both. We can get rid of (((the Bible))) and keep the Greek and Roman philosophy.

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Celtic paganism is the least known. Greek, Roman, Slavic, Germanic have lotse of sources and they stem from a common indo european root. Then there are Balts who have been more Pagan than christian throughout their history

Urban white girl bullshit
Literally not a religion

Similarities did exist, and there are at least some records of any of the European native religions. Depending on culture some things will be guesswork and won't be a perfect reconstruction it is still better than feeding our nations literal kike poison for all eternity.

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I got news for you friend psssst Christianity was developed in Rome with many elements of the Hellenistic philosophers there’s no separating.. it wouldn’t be Christianity if you separated the European aspects..

Now you can make up some weak pseudo faith with according to tumblr blogs and YouTube videos by modern humans filled of modern ideals all you want

Ethiopian Christians beg to differ....

>Redpill me on Wicca.

Come on guy. Wicca is a completely retarded meme-tier "religion". Anyone that's a Wicca is a Wicca because they want to seem cool and mysterious, but in reality they're edgy idiots.

It's the year 2018, only a legit dumbass would actually believe in stones or moon goddesses or whatever the fuck.

Germanic sources are very little, the only we know any about is the Norse .. still we known nothing of there spiritual views or beliefs just scattered sources of mythology ..

But Germanic isn’t an all encompassing term they vary from tribe to tribe ..

And doesn’t an Indo European faith destroy every regional national element hmmmm

All the spiritual elements are lost .. it was never an unbroken tradition, all that remains are elements syncretic with Christianity..

Elements that Christians didn’t see as detrimental to there beliefs.

It’s gone my dude , your just a historical atheist

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Yep hence why Mexican Catholicism differs from day Anglo Catholicism
Each culture added there own syncretic elements to it ..

It's 2019 and people still believe in a dead jew on a stick.

Jesus Christ you're right, it is 2019

At least there’s a connection to 2000 years of European culture.. instead of some cultural atheism where you get you knowledge of theology and traditions from YouTube videos and tumblr blogs

Wica (original spelling by old Gerald, which is pretty weird as "wicca" is an actual Old English word for a female witch) was Gardner's attempt at a neopagan religion. They based most of their magical theory on Hermeticism. Originally, they honored a duo of deities, male and female, but you had to be initiated to learn which deities the coven in question followed. Non-initiates got a hold of all this through forsworn members, and took the vague mention of a lord/lady or god/goddess not as obfuscation of identity, but as a theological belief in itself, which is why so many Wiccans are just generic duotheists (which is pretty fucking ahistorical), which developed in some circles into "all deities are faces of muh god or goddess" or whatever the fuck. This metastasized into "goddess Wicca" and shit, which is basically hippie Christianity where Jesus wears a dress. It's pretty much all trash, leans incredibly to the left, and is full of absolute cancer. I would unironically rather be sacrificed to Veles by a bunch of Rodnover types than spend an hour listening to some fat cunt shriek at me about "muh ancient goddess before the evil Indo-European patriarchy came" for five minutes.

>At least there’s a connection to 2000 years of European culture.. instead of some cultural atheism where you get you knowledge of theology and traditions from YouTube videos and tumblr blogs
It's all imported retard. From our worst enemies to boot. We would literally be better off making something entirely new out of nothing.

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Go ahead ..
I just wanna wake people up..neo paganism has no historical basis,it’s a pseudo religion,cultural atheism.
I could care less what you do though

>I got news for you friend psssst Christianity was developed in Rome with many elements of the Hellenistic philosophers there’s no separating.. it wouldn’t be Christianity if you separated the European aspects..
>Now you can make up some weak pseudo faith with according to tumblr blogs and YouTube videos by modern humans filled of modern ideals all you want
I was saying we should remove the Jewish shit not the Greek and Roman shit.

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Hell we even have enough sources on the Pre-IndoEuropean Basque religion to know that it was a cthonic religion. saying there are no records is just flat out lying in order to preserve Anti-White jew worship.

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And another doesn’t it make you think how much liberal media loves paganism.. type it in on the news section on google ..

The Atlantic , Washington post, New York Times all have write ups on how awesome asatru and neo paganism is ..how diverse and accepting it is

It’s funny how y’all call Christianity a Jewish diversion

I’m telling you guys the European spirit and pre Christian beliefs live on through pre modern traditional Catholicism.. you never hear anything good about trad Catholicism from the media..makes ya think

Are you serious
It is in no way possible to resurrect a 2000year old dead faith with scraps of mythology..

>I’m telling you guys the European spirit and pre Christian beliefs live on through pre modern traditional Catholicism
I disagree with the general thrust of your arguments, but this is absolutely true and generally forgotten by "pagans" until they get over kneejerk hatred of Christianity. Anyone with a Catholic grandmother (in the old, regional European style) knows this when their granny starts going off the official script and talking about "Jesus was the foster-son of Brid" or "don't forget to leave out the cream for the elves, it's not their fault they weren't good enough for heaven or bad enough for hell" or whatever. A thousand different things across the continent are preserved, embedded in now-Christian folk faith.

Basque religion is particularly very poorly preserved due to it's uniqueness, it's not IE, and the early Christianization if Basque country though still some basics are known. Any of the IE religions has way more info on it. There is no reason to that say that for example Roman religion is unrecoverable.

>>I’m telling you guys the European spirit and pre Christian beliefs live on through pre modern traditional Catholicism
>I disagree with the general thrust of your arguments, but this is absolutely true and generally forgotten by "pagans" until they get over kneejerk hatred of Christianity. Anyone with a Catholic grandmother (in the old, regional European style) knows this when their granny starts going off the official script and talking about "Jesus was the foster-son of Brid" or "don't forget to leave out the cream for the elves, it's not their fault they weren't good enough for heaven or bad enough for hell" or whatever. A thousand different things across the continent are preserved, embedded in now-Christian folk faith.
There is things of European origin to keep sure, but that doesn;t mean we need to remove all the jewish poison from our cultures as well. Especially when it is so easy to identify.

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>Redpill me on Wicca.
Pretend magic used by fat white women to bring a spice of interest to their dull suburban lives. Is literally the Kwanzaa of paganism.

*don't

Why wouldn't they ask questions? Being agnostic just means you don't know if God exists or not, asking questions is not outside the character of someone who doesn't know something. An apatheist is someone who doesn't care.

Sockpuppet af

Thats what im saying dude, catholicism is deeply engrained in regional cultures hence why anglo vs mexican catholicism differ, the mexicans celebrate day of the dead and the anglo celebrate st johns day, we have distinct regional saints holy sites ..folk catholicism was the successor to the prechristian belief systems

I don't disagree.

then every spiritual element would be removed lol
thats extremely stupid, you'd be left with a shell , basically cultural atheism

christianity developed in europe , its the successor to the greco/roman spiritual world and the cello/germanic world

i mean i don't care if y'all do your living history thing
but im just trying to wake people up , catholicism was syncretic in nature with the european people the protestant reformation destroyed every european element..

You're vastly overstating our lack of knowledge, honestly.

prove it

what knowledge can you possibly have that thousand others don't..

Neo-paganism requires belief, Wicca is a pick and choose religion

Where did I claim exclusive knowledge? You're acting like we don't have records from two-thousand years ago, or modern collations of comparative religion across the Indo-European spectrum.

we have a few writings from christian monks.. which are highly debatable and syncretic holidays

you do know pre christian faith wasn't a definable "religon" it was an all encompassing aspect of life full of superstitious and magical elements that wouldn't be easily understood today ..
theres still people arguing if it was nature worship or polytheism..thats why theres so many schools of though in modern neopaganism you know that right because there is a lot of room to move around

you wonder why certain youtube personalities practice an all encompassing into european faith ..
its because the farther you go back the more room you have to inject your ideals ..
comparative mythology cannot be the basis for a revitalized spiritual movement its idiotic , regional into europeans differ greatly sure theres underlying themes but your removing all nationalist elements and painting these people with an grouped together brush like many people do with the modern celts there wasn't just one group of celts there were several ..who had distinct practices

>Theogony
Catholic monks
>Homer's works
Catholic monks
>Metamorphoses
Catholic monks

Maybe for Norse and Celtic

yes of course..
most people on here claim to practice form of "norse paganism"

but yea christianity is already extremely hellenic so i don't see the point of greco/roman neo paganism.. its literally the spiritual successor

I don't even know much of the Celtic pantheon. Hell, who was their Zeus/Jupiter/Perun equivalent?

>Spiritual successor
>Monothiesm

If you're blind

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>a few writings from Christian monks
There are reams of material from Romans and Greeks following their native religion before Christianity was the hot thing.
>nature worship or polytheism
Someone who doesn't know better might say both, but they're modern categorizations to begin with. Treating with the spirits of your place is not incompatible with honoring the gods. Why would it be?
>you wonder
Not really.
>you're doing this thing because I say so
I'm really not, though. Recognizing that the Thunderer was honored differently from tribe to tribe, before we even get into meta-ethnic comparisons, isn't denying anything. It was a feature of the past, not a bug caught in modern evaluation. Maybe this is why you have such a hard time with it?

>yes of course..
>most people on here claim to practice form of "norse paganism"

>but yea christianity is already extremely hellenic so i don't see the point of greco/roman neo paganism.. its literally the spiritual successor
You need to excise the jeweish influence. Christianity may be influenced by Greeks and Romans but that doesn't change the Jewish character of it, even Catholicism or Orthodoxy. You need to remove the jewish character and slave morality. 100% White religion is better than even a 90% White 10% Jewish religion.

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Depending on the people in question, Taranis/Sucellos/Tarann/etc.

Taranis

"Wicca" is new age boomer spiritualism, where they think they're special for rejecting mainstream religion, and taking up watered down, nonsensical versions of pagan practices. They're just weak people who need woo woo "spirits" to blame their failures in life on, and their mental illnesses, but have to be special snowflakes with their "wicca" bullshit, because they're just another sheep in the flock in organized, institutional religion.
Every "wiccan" i've ever run into is an insufferable, narcissistic cunt. Every fucking one.

mostly people claim to be practicing norse paganism so most of what i refer to has to do with the cello/germanic world
but we are approaching these magical ancient faiths with modern knowledge , and even if we know complete pantheons it still doesn't tell much of how these peoples practiced there faiths how can you say your a pagan or practacing paganism when theres still so much debate on the spiritual world and aspects of these peoples ..its ridiculous

You're completely full of shit. Most pre-Christian beliefs in Europe are dead, if not all of them, mostly because they were handed down by word of mouth, not written, and that knowledge is lost. See: druids. They can't even really define what "druid" is because their role changed according to where they lived.
Most Pre-Christian belief was local. It was local dieties, water and land spirits, there was little large scale belief structure outside of Norse mythology, and most of that is lost as well. The practitioners of Norse ritual and beliefs didn't even view it as a "religion", it was just custom and ritual and part of their culture, "religion" as an organized thing didn't come until Christianity.
You're just as bad as the wiccans, romanticizing the whole thing and making up aspects of it that are simply wrong. You don't understand what it was, and probably just base what you know on TV shows.

so how do you practice your faith then friend

They didn't have "day to day" religious lives, as far as we know. Paganism wasn't a codified religion, it was local beliefs, rituals and folklore, handed down orally by song or rote. We don't really know how it fit into their society.

eeefuckingsactly

It's basically worshiping the female, not the male.

It's against
> muh patriarchy.

That's why Wicca is retarded Neo-Pagan larping for women, gays and trannies.

>chaos magic isn't real

That is exactly right, PRAISE KEK

That one is BOTH

THICC

Feminist and egalitarian drivel. A subversion of actual Paganism.

but once again comparative mythology is a great tool , but not for constructing your spiritual beliefs ..
there was never a pan germanic faith and thats idiotic to say sure there was similar pantheons .. but regional religious superstitious and even mythological details differed ..
and practicing a pan germanic form of paganism would destroy every cultural national element ..
even then you literally wouldn't even be able to properly practice germanic paganism , once again we know to little how it fit into there society

Thanks

Do any of you actually believe the things you say you believe on the internet?
No?
Didn't think so.
Wicca is still gay and eurotrash religions can go fuck right off