Went out with this chick 2 weeks ago and the night ended with a kiss...

Asked her. What a curious situation

>Asked her. What a curious situation

I was gonna take a nap, now im hooked.

Still no response. Wonder if she expected a “she was nice, but you’re more attractive” kind of shit

Entirely possible. Guess you just failed the shit test.

It seems like a pretty dumb way to start out asking about the friend like that, and then hope for a compliment back at her though. If anything it's kind of funny if she was expecting that.

Either way, even if she was hoping for that reponse, it'll probably just make her try harder for you anyways.

The way she talked though, made it sound like she was trying to hook you up with her friend. She's got some issues if she wasn't!

plus if you gave a response like that you'd prolly just get cucked either way. I'm sticking with saying she's cute was the correct response

Yeah that would’ve been pretty stupid to expect that

Alright well this is her response. That ) is her way of doing he :) smiley. What should I respond?

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ouch

Jesus christ I hate people like this.

"Why did you ask? You know I'd rather hang with you, right, so cut the crap."

I hate this girl. What the fuck.

Something along the lines of that could work. Although I'm wondering if you even want to associate with this bitch now. I hate her. Give that a shot though, maybe without the cut the crap part?

Yeah it was pretty fucking weird.

Should I say it like that or word it differently? Shoul I ask her to ask her what she thinks? She would’ve asked by now or mentioned it if she asked me, right?

Lol I am starting to now

Don’t think I do anymore. That was out of left field

The smiley face could have been a sign of her actually saying something maybe but she can't tell you?

Sometimes text is diffcult to tell. I wouldn't get upset yet, but she is certainly being a cunt

>Should I say it like that or word it differently?
Yeah maybe try wording it slightly less agressive/butthurt, but just as firm.

ask for her friend's number, pretty straightforward

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if i get dubs she fucks you tomorrow

There's a good lad.

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Nothing yet. Walking to the bar to meet with friends in the mean time

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OP you do fine with your retorts so don't overthink this. This girl is a flake so don't worry so much about upsetting her and it was good you said the friend was cute.

But, you will be leaving soon so this girl may not want to start something that will end and why she won't go out anymore.

Thanks for the advise my dude

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>mfw I'm wasting perfectly good hours of sleep because I can't stand the unresolved tension.

ya fucked up OP. When she offered to introduce her friend, you should of just said: "I am not interested in your friend, I want to hang out with you. If you do not feel the same, just say so."
You would of got a straight answer instead of this run around shit

To be honest my dude, if this bitch was a puzzle I'd have given up at this point. No point telling OP that he fucked up if the prize was a basic bitch thot who's making him jump through shit-tests after a fucking kiss 2 weeks ago. Even if he did managed to get a straight answer from her, there'd be a million more curve-balls just waiting for him later on.

Waste of time dealing with immature girls like this.

I thought it was a friendly presentation as in “hey since were talking so much I’d like you to meet some of my friends” and see if they get a good or bad sense of me to advise her.

agree 100% I'd have never gone on with this either. However, I think we were all having fun, including OP.

I ran it by my wife as well, she said we did fine, but the girl is a bitch.

I'm now emotionally invested in this, i wanna know what happened and OP just left us

Lol I’m more interested in the turnout; lost all interest on her. Still no response. Wondering if my last comment drove her away or she’s just playing around some more

From my friend

“Cute? Lol

You should’ve said she seemed cool lol”

That’s why he’s the chad

Time to cut it off

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Whew that's feels really passive-aggressive.

here's what you do

dont text her anymore. next time you happen to hang out with her, tease her about being jealous. tell her she would need to do alot for you so that you stop thinking about her friend.

that or you flirt with her friend in front of her. this bitch is retarded and/or doesnt know what she wants or how to get what she wants

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I have no experience with women but really? Are they all like that?

>spaghetti level=11

bitchy ones who need to be put in their place, yea

Eh just drop it. She might’ve been making idle chatter, or been trying to get you to tell her that SHE’S cute.

Girls have spaghetti moments too. Sometimes they’re being neither airheaded nor calculating.

She's an immature bitch playing mind games, drop it man

She messaged me but I didn’t reply.

>hurr durr I just asked

TL Note: this means she was looking for things to get annoyed about.

make HER feel awkward. Ask her 'then why did you want to introduce her lol' or something along those lines

didn't read the other screenshot
she kinda fucked up, didn't she? when girls spill their spaghetti it's kinda cute

This. Girl said something dumb. OP is sperging out trying to figure out what the deep meaning of what she said is.

sounds like she was trying to setup 2 people and they didn't seem to like each other to me. But yeah sounds like you've been friendzoned op.

She sounds jealous to me. She thinks you like her friend more than her and she's trying to eke information out of you.

She probably wants to keep you around or just doesn't want to straight up tell you she isn't interested because you work together.

Honestly just fuck that bitch, if you want more but only get these responses then just cut the contact and maybe she puts in some effort herself if she likes you. If not then you know whats up

Time to ask for her friends number since you don't have anything to lose, and if she is jealous she isn't nice for canceling on you.

I would honestly ghost her for at least a few days. What the fuck is she thinking?

Is she Asian?

This sounds like some psycho Asian girl shit

This doesn't necessarily mean
>I was just asking
and could quite possibly mean
>I just asked you to hang out
>...but I didn't want to seem desperate, so I used my friend as an excuse

D R O P P E D

You seem pretty instinctively Alpha OP, like someone with aspergers who has conquered their autism, just keep trusting fyour gut and you'll find someone who is worth your time eventually.

>chuffed that he's able to tell when to give up
No, actually this is autism.

This is in fact the reason most of this board deals with endless REEE over female behaviour. Guys simply don't get the fact that it's their own behaviour that make women flaky. When ever you talk to women, stop focusing on all the different outcomes you want to avoid, and fucking author your optimal outcome instead. Women need men to show them what they want. If the man walks around in circles wondering what she thinks and what she wants, he's showing her that THAT is what he wants. To be walking around in circles. Fucking stop.

What the fuck are you talking about? The girl is obviously not interested in him so he's right to just ghost her. That's the only way for him to salvage any of his sanity/dignity and he knows it, thus why I'm praising him. I think its time for your daily schizo meds bud

Aren't we jumping to conclusions, instead of actually reading.

She's "obviously" not interested because of his behaviour and meek unassertiveness. That might include the way he kissed her on their date. It doesn't mean he can't still tap that, given the fact that she said yes to the date initially, and went trough this lame ass exchange, instead of simply avoiding him, seeing as he was sitting in a room all by himself waiting for chad (?)

In what universe to women who's gone on a date with someone already, and kissed them, initiate to meet up for no reason, if they aren't at least curious about their next move. Being unimpressed by someone in a specific moment, isn't a nail in the coffin for future blossoming.

Also, in what way does it hurt him to test waters? If the alternative is to not see or talk to her at all, why not make that her decission? He might as well turn his proper game on, and either she'll reject or her intrigue will fall into place. Talking about salvaging sanity/dignity reeks of beta. Go out and get rejected as much you want, it only hurts if you can't into outcome-independancy.

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"Is it gonna be as much of a drag as our "conversation" yesterday? Because I'll pass on that, tyvm."

I made plans and chose time and places but she always said she had something going on. My confusion was in her continuous texts and always asking for me to go see her by the office. So it was growing tiresome. She wasn’t the only girl I was speaking to or seeing, I was just trying to get an understanding of what she was going on about and what her end game was. I’m not afraid of talking to women in bars or social gatherings, since being in here ice actually had a fair bit of luck to say the least.

Maybe her hard to get game actually got to my head and made me ever more curious

>being this anti-seductive
You don't get to play that game until you've actually raised the stakes, and positively know that she'll feel completely lost without you.

Once again: Author your intended outcome. Give her reasons to think meeting you will be a lot better than not meeting you. Sure, you can play the 'can take it or leave it' position, but make it fun for her as well.

OP is sick and tired of her bullshit, he should communicate that. Especially since he's leaving anyway.

That, or she might actually just be low energy.
Some people are tired from work a lot.
Doesn't mean she doesn't want to, if you make the offer sound delightful enough.

Because telling someone off makes you feel like a big guy, when you see no other way than to be digging your own grave.

Also, he hasn't decided on staying yet.

Why are you so negative user?

But OP has no goals here. He said yesterday it's time to cut her off. So what grave is he digging? Why say bye after that trainwreck of a conversation?

OP can correct me if I'm wrong, but really at this point I'd just call her out on her bullshit and end it.

I didn’t respond to that text. As I had to go back to return the keys at the office she saw me there. She asked me if everything was ok and I said yeah. Since she has my Ig and saw my post (I use it cause I have terrible memory and my family likes to keep in touch through there) and asked about the places I was at yesterday. I kept it light hearted but didn’t show any interest beyond a simple chat. When leaving she asked if I was returning, I said I will be but we’ll see how things go. She stated that’s I seemed very eager to get back home and had no interest being here and I said I just miss my family and friends and this trip has gone a little too long.

Thank you guys for the advise, it was pretty funny to say the least the interaction and whether it ruined or bolstered any chances is hard to say. If anything further happens I’ll update, though I can’t say if anyone is even interested

Eh no point in creating animosity. She didn’t reciprocate the feelings or interest and no point in bringing it to light any further. Regardless of her intentions I knew mine and was clear about it; can’t force her one way or another. If everything I did was not enough wasn’t gonna try any harder, there’s other women that responded appropriately and we enjoyed ourselves instead

>My friend is here. I can introduce you if you want lol. She lives in Florida.
Sure; let me finish this task real quick
>We'll be here 5 more min
Lol does she want to be introduced?

Went down but didn't see you. Would've been awkward anyway
>I'm here. In the office
Too many people there lol
>We left. I don't wanna be there lol
Same
>Your working day is over?
Not really but there's nothing going on, so came up to my room while I wait for the guys to meet with them. Just waiting on chad to see when he's off. Why did you want to introduce me to your friend?
>Idk lol. You likes her
Asking me or telling me?
>Asking lol
Yeah she's cute
>ok
Did she say anything about me?
>No nothing :)
Why did you ask? You know I rather hang out with you, so what was the point? I don't understand
>I just asked

>Are you ok? I didn't know you already left
You I'm ok why? I'm still here packing bags, going to airport around 9:30
>Ah ok. Stop by to say bye if you want

According to the right response to this "trainwreck" is to call her out on her bullshit? How would you rate HIS responses, had the genders switch places, I wonder?

You're an actual moron.

> How would you rate HIS responses, had the genders switch places, I wonder?
Now that you mention it, not much better. However this part:

>Idk lol. You likes her
Asking me or telling me?
>Asking lol
Yeah she's cute
>ok
Did she say anything about me?
>No nothing :)
Why did you ask? You know I rather hang out with you, so what was the point? I don't understand
>I just asked

That IS a trainwreck and would really put me off.

>You're an actual moron.
Why, exactly?

Good for you. Can't see why you'd possibly want anything more to do with her, but I can appreciate you wanting to be on good terms.

>Why, exactly?
>Now that you mention it, not much better.
Because this wasn't obvious to you.

>That IS a trainwreck
Yes, but not because of her responses.
One word: Neediness.
Being this tripped over and confused about trifles is no way to win a woman's heart. It shouldn't matter what the point of introducing her friend was. What matters is how he makes her feel about doing fun stuff together. The instant the introduction was over, I would let it rest in the past, and move on to more interesting adventures.

And I'm sure you're not a moron in all walks of life, my dude. I'm just fed up with people fixated on every woman they ever interact with being soulless bitches, when it's so easy to get them to do fun stuff to, for and with you instead.

It's down to your own behaviour and language, as I've stated from the beginning.
If it ain't fun, it ain't worth your time, so don't go fishing if you aren't enjoying the calmness of oblivion.

>I'm just fed up with people fixated on every woman they ever interact with being soulless bitches
I don't, for what it's worth. Just this particular one seems like a total pain in the ass.

>when it's so easy to get them to do fun stuff to, for and with you instead.
This just sounds like pua-bullshit.

>If it ain't fun, it ain't worth your time
That about sums it up though. That's basically what I was trying to tell OP, only I would also let the girl know if it ain't fun.

>That's basically what I was trying to tell OP
What I was trying to tell OP, was to MAKE it fun.
It's not about PUA, it's about having a healthy respect for both your own time, and the time women spend on you, no matter how difficultthe communication might seem.
Some people simply aren't good at texting.
Consider the fact that she was probably busy doing other stuff, while she took the time to at least answer in short, even as her repsonses didn't lead to anything. If that constitutes a pain in the ass, then why not simply tell her when he's free to meet them, and suggest a cool pub where they can catch up. Do more of the things you want to do, and less of the pondering and confusion. If they can't meet up at said pub, then that's the end of it, and it does not matter what they had in mind in the first place, because you're free to spend the rest of your evening with chad and the others.

I know what I would go for, but that's only because I enjoy the company of women more than men. They are better to look at, and more fun to listen to when they laugh.

Yeah, okay, I can see where you're coming from. I'm probably just less tolerant than you are of this kinda crap. I honestly fail to see the attraction here, but you're right that it's possible that she's a whole 'nother person irl.

>this thread

Stupid teenagers lmao

Most people are.

I commend you for acknowledging.
Being tolerant gets you places, as long as you don't become a doormat. Women are actually quite anxious a lot of the time. If you're understandig and patient of the time it takes them to come along, and learn to see what most guys on here deem negative traits as simply adorable ones, you'll be a better fuckin man in their eyes.

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>and learn to see what most guys on here deem negative traits as simply adorable ones
What traits out of that conversation would you say are adorable? Because that's what I'm getting at, I don't see it.

I agree with everything else though and I'm glad we can have a civil discussion about it for once instead of calling each other names. You seem like a pretty chill dude.

t.

you sound like a bitch

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I took the wrong route and tried to find something deeper in what was generally just a regular exchange. Rather than dropping it I continued pursuing the question when in reality it was completely irrelevant. The user is right in saying I should’ve changed the subject and talked about other things. It is what it is and it’s a lesson learned on how to properly approach a similar scenario shall it present itself. Rather than passive aggressive or overtly interested to the point of neediness I’ll take a more relaxed outlook on the situations to let them know I’m intrigued but also not dismissive. My focus will be as the user stated, ensure that she finds me as a person that can be fun in person or via texts rather than someone who prods and makes things bigger than they are

I like the level of honesty in her bio. It's like she knows how shit she is, but she's okay with that.

In this case, the fact that she asked if he wanted to meet her and her friend, when they weren't going to stay for more than five minutes.
This is like a child thinking. It can be extremely frustrating, but if you can see beyond the fact that it's completely impractical and pointless, it's cute that she wanted to introduce her friend.

In general, let's say a woman is flaky. Most guys will take this as a sign that she's stringing them along, or just in it for attention. If you instead can appreciate that in most cases, women don't actually know what they want, except for men to take the lead. If we act like they do, nobody would ever manage to arrange dates. The fact that she's flaky just means she isn't satisfied with the offer yet, but too anxious to be upfront with it. She wants you to do better, and as long as she doesn't ghost you, she's inderectly inviting you to make more out of her time - because she WANTS to enjoy her time with you. 'Let's go for drinks!' doesn't always cut it. The fact that they communicate indirectly can be seen as total bullshit to many, but it only takes a slightly more creative mind to just see it at something quirky they can't help doing. Adorable.

You can do this with almost anything, and it won't hurt your dignity, it'll actually sharpen your abilities to hold conversations like a man.

Always glad to be part of conversations that aren't toxic garbage, man. Yeah, I'm pretty Zen. I'm also 34, so I've had my fair bit of struggle to learn from during my days with the females.

Give me a reason why your opinion on me should concern me in the slightest?

It sounds like you're still interested in her, man. Good luck. But yeah, Jow Forums in general dropped the ball on you on this one when it counted.

How would you deal with a girl that has explicitly stated she likes you, but for some reason texting has gone from a lot to virtually zero in between dates. I don't mind not texting, personally, as long as we still arrange dates, but I can't help but wonder what she makes of it. No idea if I explained this properly.

>One word responses
Nothing makes my blood boil more. If someone sends me two one word texts in a row I stop responding, even if they're on fire.

Lol what is even going on here? Hahaha m8 you just revoked your man card.

>Give me a reason why your opinion on me should concern me in the slightest?

because you sound like a bitch and i'm glad my comment concerns you

Stop trying to understand how women think because you never will. Many men have tried and failed.

My interpretation of this entire interaction is that she likes OP and she was putting him through a test, by bringing up her friend as a test subject, she wanted to see if OP would dodge the question then deflect the praise back to her in that, "Yeah she's alright but you're cuter don't tell her I said that". OP failed the test because he thinks too linearly unlike women who most of the time have been taught to not always be direct about their intentions lest they get labeled sluts and what have you. You can easily see the tone of the conversation change when she one words him with the classic "ok" text. She's clearly disappointed but not to the point of dismay since she still wants to see OP but does it in a half hearted way by adding the "if you want" at the end.

Or I could be completely wrong and it's something wrong.

>a girl that has explicitly stated she likes you
>for some reason texting has gone from a lot to virtually zero in between dates
Sounds like a keeper, unless you need to be lovey dovey over text to stay interested. Check yourself for the reason why this bothers you. If the dates are going well, what makes you think the initial texting had any other purpose than to get the two of you together in the first place?

To have women interested in you, and actually meeting you for a good time, you're not missing out on anything by freeing your away-time from pointless chatting.

You're not wrong, but the opposite isn't either.
I once told a girl I was dating, who asked me if I thought another girl we were talking about was hot.

I told her she's alright, pretty much the same as you.
>the look on her face
We continued to date for another six months, and she was completely devoted to me during that time. Ended because she moved.

It is a test, but there are more ways to pass it.

>Sounds like a keeper, unless you need to be lovey dovey over text to stay interested.
Nah, not lovey dovey. It was mostly silly banter and giving each other shit. I made her laugh quite a bit, so that was fun.

>Check yourself for the reason why this bothers you.
I have no idea, honestly. Constantly texting back and forth is objectively way more of a bother than not texting at all, in general, even if it's fun with her. Dunno, I took it as a sign of her slowing down initially, but that wasn't the case as far as I can tell from what she told me. Could also be because she's a pretty busy person and there's always a week or two in between dates.

>If the dates are going well, what makes you think the initial texting had any other purpose than to get the two of you together in the first place?
That's what I tell myself, yeah. I should probably add that she said she's not looking for anything serious. I don't care about that since I have no intention of meeting her friends or buying Christmas gifts for her entire family or something, but I would like to be more than a passerby. I told her we'd talk about it in person.

Thanks man, you're a total bro.

>I told her we'd talk about it in person.
Don't overdo it. If she told you she doesn't into serious, talking about what you want from her constitutes seriousness.

Instead, stop caring about what she tells you she wants, and start doing more of what ever MAKES her want more than just a passerby.

>make her a playlist of songs you like, that she also might like.
Works especially good if she's ever commented positively on the music you listen to. A simple "Hey, thought I should make you a playlist, since you seemed to like that one song we listened to" will suffice as an excuse. Don't make a big deal of it, if she doesn't seem impressed. It's innocent, and possibly something she'll listen to and assiciate with good times with you
>paint her a silly picture of something she cares about
If she's got a teddy bear or a t-shirt she likes, paint it from memory. Women like when men don't take themselves too serious, and especially when they aren't out to impress. The fact that you even think of doing something like this, makes you stand out from anyone else she's ever been with, most likely.

This is another issue that often spring to mind, whenever I read threads on this board. When it comes to what women tell them what they want/are interested in, guys tend to take their words for it. Every day is a new opportunity to change their minds, and you do it by doing stuff that makes them feel good, not by saying/asking them to please think differently. Trust that as long as she seems like she's enjoying herself, you're doing something right, so don't ruin it by start questioning. Just come up with more way of making her feel good, and don't leave fun and positive surprises out of the mix.

>Don't overdo it. If she told you she doesn't into serious, talking about what you want from her constitutes seriousness.
Yeah, I'm wary.

Sucks that I'm into way different music than her, but I'll keep the gist of your post in mind as general life advice and try to work my way from there.