Once Saved, Always Saved : ETERNAL SECURITY

I am interested in the God/Christ theory but what's the evidence this stuff is true?

And if you say the bible, please explain why the bible is more reliable than the other holy books?

Praise Jesus.

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Documentary: Protestantism's Big Justification Lie
youtube.com/watch?v=L14UNjaZJm8

"Pastor" Steven Anderson Exposed - Documentary
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I don't think anyone believes those women preachers are anything but atheist jews. It's the favorite attack of the jew/atheist, to subvert something, do horrible thing in the methodist name or w/e and point to their handiwork as evidence that Christians are the real leftists.

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I don't know anything about you, user, but maybe you were taken to church or simply told the Bible story as a child and you earnestly believed it. If this is the case, you were indwelled and sealed at that very moment. Every sign or feeling you've felt since that moment was the Holy Spirit in you, leading you back to moments like this, yet I'm sure if you've experienced anything like that, you wrote it off as your mind.

If you are like me, the thing that might spark your interest is this statement:
>The Jews killed Jesus. This is not an antisemitic trope. It is the Bible story.

Hearing that for the 1st time at 25, I needed to find out the Bible story for myself.

Another thing is battling the "logic and reason" you possess, which may just be built on a foundation of lies. The 6000 year old Earth is a laughable doctrine to an atheist, but if you are able to process the breadth of the information available, it is mind-shattering. Pic related. Have you looked into how we supposedly determine the 4 billion model?

Amen brother.

You sound like a chink.

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Say no to desert religions.

OSAS is a lie and I will prove it

Galatians 4:8-11
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

To prevent this from showing OSAS and his views of the Galatians salvific status as false, Anderson claims in his sermon on Galatians 4 that it simply means that Paul simply thought they were saved when they in fact are not. So he doubts their salvation. This interpretation does not make sense as it does not match the very structure of the verse. Had Paul wanted to convey the idea that he now doubts whether they had even been Saved, he wouldnt had said that they known God or rather known by Him but rather express himself closely with his interpretation. But as the text in its english form shows, this is hardly the case.

Should this plain meaning be insufficient, a more in depth analysis of these verses will be given. First off we begin at the word “know” in reference to being known by God. This term in Biblical usage typically refers to one’s relationship with God(eg, 1John 2:3, 4, 14, 3:6, Hebrews 8:11). When used in the context of “known by God”, the same sense of intimacy is the case, alongside election(eg, Genesis 18:19, Amos 3:2).

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The corruption of the Bible and all these damnable versions have given a throne to the idea that it is all just "up for interpretation". Maybe some are victims, but at some point they are given the option to be saved, reject it and become reprobates. Just like homosexuals.

It's hard to believe there are so many people, men and women alike, who have built monuments to their false prophecies.

Cool pic.

“Turn ye again” in v9 or the Greek,epistrephete(ἐπιστρεφετε) is a verb that denotes a “change of mind or action for better or worse” according to the Bauer Lexicon. Indeed this term in Matthew 13:15 refers to conversion positively. In light of these positive connotations, it could be possible that Paul’s use here have an ironic sense, where the Galatians having a close intimate relationship with God but now seek after the works of the Mosaic Law. As the tense here is present in the Greek, this would indicate that the Galatians are in the process of turning and if they turn completely, Christ shall have no affect upon them. This makes the security and salvation of the Galatians conditional on their faith and in some sense even their actions, opposing the OSAS view.

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And this is not all of Galatians that destroys OSAS. There's more

>how we determine the 4 bill model

Hey that was on my path as well. Knowing all the lies that pose as truths can be a game changer. A good thing to remember when exploring Jesus also is that by definition, everything is possible with god. A man who humbles himself while sesrching will find true answers.

Also look into evolution. Once you are ready for it and actually study it, it will come off as laughably illogical and almost entirely undefendable against a grain of common sense.

Galatians 3:1-5
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Anderson’s eisegesis here proves deficient. In his sermon on Galatians 3, his overall view can be expressed as: the Apostles preached the Gospel to the Galatians and ministered to them, they didnt follow and not Saved at all, they return to the Law. By analysing these verses deeper, we will start to see how Anderson’s understanding of them doesnt conform to their flow.

The opening verse tells us the reason for the Galatians’ foolishness. Given the use of “bewitched”, it may be possible that their succumbing to the Judaizers could be due to an “evil spiritual influence”. Bauer’s Lexicon defines the Greek for bewitched(βασkαίνω) as to “exert an evil influence through the eye”. Usage here is metaphorical, no doubt referring to the influence of the Judaizing group. Yet this is foolishness as the Gospel was preached to them. The visual reference to Christ used here may indicate that Paul utilizes the rhetorical technique of ekphrasis which focuses on vivid imagery. This poses a problem for Anderson and those that are iconoclastic, as Paul is essentially admitting to preaching the Gospel in a manner that uses “word pictures” which create mental images.

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Come on man a 6000 year old earth? Really?

If youre telling me to believe something written in a book and ignore all scientific evidence to the contrary... i cant make myself believe something i know is wrong.

You've convinced yourself this stuff is true because you want it to be true. The scientists dont "want" the universe to be 14.5bn years old.. it just is.

Next, Paul asks the question of how the Galatians received the Spirit. This unfortunately for Anderson blows his case out of the water, as such indicates that Paul presuppose that the Galatians actually received the Holy Spirit. Oddly for Anderson, he doesnt mention anything about the Spirit in v2, possibly due to this. Still, it must be clarified that this reception of the Spirit is through faith, or in this case, believing the Gospel preached and given what is stated in v27, Baptism as part of this.

Moving to v3, we see more confirmations that advice against taking the OSAS viewpoint. The phrase “having begun” is an aorist participle ἐναρξάμενοι(enarxamenoi) which its only other reference is Philippians 1:6 which refers to the very work God will do in the believer. Bauer’s lexicon notes that in both contexts, what is referred to here is the beginning of the Christian’s life. The two verses even parallel each other, with Galatians being more ironic given its pastoral situation. This detail is left out of Anderson’s own sermon on this chapter and it is quite obvious why, once this is considered, it would entail the Galatians as actually receiving a beginning from God who works in them and having received the Spirit. These are defeaters to his interpretation that the Galatians were never Saved in the first place.

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Bonus
On v4, the “suffering” could invoke the sense that the Galatians went through some persecution, perhaps even due to the incursions of the Judaizers. In Anderson’s sermon, nothing of this is implied. In this verse, the particle γέ is used, as shown in the Greek render below:
τοσαῦτα ἐπάθετε εἰkῇ; εἴ γε kαὶ εἰkῇ
This particle is meant to place focus on a single idea or place according to the Bauer lexicon. Thus this would suggest the Galatian’s experiences of “sufferings” to be the idea in focus. With v5 focusing on miracles and the ministering of the Spirit and the preceding v3 referring to the work of the Spirit in the Galatians, it is most likely that they also experienced the Spirit that aid them in these sufferings. Should they turn away now, all these would had be in vain. The tone of these experiences being in vain is one that may express a hope that they will reject the Judaizers in light of these experiences.

This again, nullifies the OSAS position, as the way Paul addresses the situation is one where he sees the Galatians in a real danger of making all their experiences of being Saved as being in vain. The danger of this situation with the Judaizers expressed in Galatians 2:4:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage
Had OSAS be what Paul had in mind, this and all we covered wouldnt be what we find when analysing the verses and letting them speak for themselves. Yet when we do, a contradictory picture of the OSAS eisegesis emerges.

You cannot lose your Salvation. You become God's son, and He becomes your Father. If you mess up, He will punish you, but revoking your Salvation would deteriorate the clear definitions of "everlasting", "sealed", "saved" and "gift".

>Job 14:15-17
>Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. For now thou numberest my steps: dost thou not watch over my sin? My transgression is sealed up in a bag, and thou sewest up mine iniquity.

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Even by the Bible's own standards, Anderson is a false liar

>I know

Your first griveous error. Be humble or stop even trying cause you'll get nowhere.

Christcucks get the rope too.

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Except Galatians say otherwise as I just shown. Either prove from the context of it or the Greek that I am wrong, or simply admit your eisegesis demands the Bible contradict itself!

And dont worry it aint just Galatians that I got to prove OSAS biblically wrong.

Next up, James

Luke 12:53
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 10:21
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
[This one is a given with Jewish communism, where many children were brainwashed into turning their parents over to the so-called "State" to be put to death].

Matthew 10:35
For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

>I-I can explain, goy. Just remember Jewsus.

why are poltards still thinking posting cherry picked images counts as arguments? I could literally do the same thing about any religion/faith

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Yeah thats just dumb.

I know 1+1=2.
I know the universe is 14 billion years old.

You cant just be like "hurr dont say you know, wheres your humility" i just looked at the conclusion all the scientists agreed on based on the evidence.

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God bless you anons, on this beautiful saturday

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Ok bro, let's talk about. In complete layman's terms, how is the age determined? Let me give an analogy Pastor Anderson used:

1) Take a thermometer and wipe all the numbers off.
2) If you attempt to take the room temperature and the outside temperature, the liquid inside will react to the change- it will move, but you have no Ruler- to reference point.

-The NUMBERS are the Geologic Column
-The LIQUID is the Hubble "Constant", radiometric dating, etc.

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Also the guy who thinks he has a relationship with the creator of the universe... and dismissing all of evolution as "laughable"... telling others to be humble. Pretty ironic.

Maybe youre just gullible and thats why you believe stories over evidence who's to say.

My post stands. No use trying if you think you are above "those stupid stories". I already said earlier in a post that by definition; everything is possible with god. Plenty og scientists in hell. Not a good reason not to be humble.

James 2:14-26
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

The thesis of James 2:14-26 can be clearly stated: Faith without works cannot save. Positively, the thesis can be stated: Salvation requires both faith and works.8 This thesis can be found by looking at v.2:14d (‘Is such faith able to save him?’), v.17 (‘faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead’), v.20 (‘faith without works is useless’), v.22 (‘faith was working with [συνήργει] his works and faith was completed by works’), v.24 (‘a man is justified by works and not by faith alone’), and v.26 (‘faith without works is dead’).

Reminder that Nazi Germany was Pagan. There are books like the Swastika vs the Cross to prove it along with Pagan symbols and lack of christian ones.

Reminder that christianity is a sect of judaism born by a jew called saul of tarsus in ancient rome with the purpose of destroying it.

Reminder that jews shill christianity using media more than the holocaust, an example for the dumbest of you is the exorcist movies directed by a jew.

Reminder that the truth is obvious and christians are too dumb to see it.
Reminder that (((pol))) is a (((christian))) board.

Have a good day, npc and kikes.

God bless you too, user.

From here on out I will be eating dinner and prioritizing the Ausse who wants to talk science and anyone else who comes up. Anti-OSAS Nazi I will get back to you, and trolls you get last slot of my time- if any.

No way dude not wasting my time arguing with a brick wall.

Save yourself the time. If all of science and basic logic can't convince you then i sure cant.

What's ironic is someone who asks for advice then brushes it off because "he knows" stuff.

I will get around to creating other clips, but just check these, as I found them very profound:

youtu.be/EB0mN0ZaN5U
youtu.be/KLjFlScyk1g

Lowkey threat of hell, lol. If hell was a real place i might be scared.

If you need to use fear as a motivator for other people to believe something it shows your argument doesnt have a lot going for it.

repent nigger
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Sorry Anderson, this here shows Salvation because of the simple fact that James uses a pair of examples to support his thesis. The first example (v.2:15-16) answers the opening question of the section in 2:14 which
reads, ‘What is the benefit … if someone should claim to have faith but does not have works? Is such faith able to save him?’ James answers the question of 2:14 by the example of a professing believer who does nothing to help naked and starving fellow believers except to verbally encourage them. James concludes the example by asking, ‘What is the benefit?’ What good has the professing believer actually done to help his naked and starving fellow believers? Absolutely nothing. James summarises his thesis at the end of this first example by stating, ‘Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead’ (2:17). There is no benefit, advantage, or use for faith without works. It is as good as dead and can accomplish nothing.

The closing example of James 2:14-26 comes in verse 26 and makes the same point. ‘For just as the body without a spirit is dead, thus also faith without works is dead.’ Faith without works is analogous to a body without a spirit. Works are equated with the spirit that gives life and vitality to an otherwise dead body. It is necessary to note that the point of the example is that both elements are required. A living person requires both a body and a spirit, while salvation and justification require both faith and works.

>everything is possible with god
True. Whether how atheists attack, or Christians squeemish about defending the Miraculous, the Super Natural is undeniable for the Christian. A God who literally spoke the entiee universe into exostence, placed humanity on Earth, parting the red sea, and every miracle defying the rational within the Bible - there is just no way around it, it is the mystery of God's hand in all things. The Atheist may find himself stuck here, but the easiest path would be to see the parallels in science they do accept, like the Big Bang. That if you accept that, then a God speaking the universe into existence isn't so far off. The Latin term Creatio Ex Nihilo of creation out of nothing implies that there could be a beginning at any strating condition, ie God could've created everything 5 minutes ago with you and your memories as they are now. It's like if you created a video game with a main protagonist character that is 30yo. He doesn't exist nor dies his universe until you hit the start button.

Go ahead and show me from the context and Greek. Do it

I asked for evidence... you effectively said "believe or go to hell"

Not watching creationist propaganda sorry. You've got 0% chance of convincing me dont bother bro. You can check wikipedia for my counter arguments.

Just admit you don't know the science yourself. The purpose of school to is learn the Abstracts of much lengthier assignments. You learn the Result, rather than the process, to save time. Well put some under a microscope.

Niles Edldredge is NOT a Bible-believing Christian. He is one of the most famous humanists that exists.

>2 Peter 3:3-4King James Version (KJV)
>Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

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This is heresy memeflag, one must not repent only once.

Repent here means to turn away from your beliefs and turn to Jesus

Did you know OSAS is actually Gnostic teaching? Dont believe me? Let's look:

Irenaeus on what some Gnostics believe:

3. For this purpose, then, he had come that he might win her first, and free her from slavery, while he conferred salvation upon men, by making himself known to them. For since the angels ruled the world ill because each one of them coveted the principal power for himself, he had come to amend matters, and had descended, transfigured and assimilated to powers and principalities and angels, so that he might appear among men to be a man, while yet he was not a man; and that thus he was thought to have suffered in Judæa, when he had not suffered. Moreover, the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of those angels who formed the world; for which reason those who place their trust in him and Helena no longer regarded them, but, as being free, live as they please; for men are saved through his grace, and NOT ON ACCOUNT OF THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUS ACTIONS. For such deeds are not righteous in the nature of things, but by mere accident, just as those angels who made the world, have thought fit to constitute them, seeking, by means of such precepts, to bring men into bondage. On this account, he pledged himself that the world should be dissolved, and that those who are his should be freed from the rule of them who made the world.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.ii.xxiv.html

Anderson:
The title of my sermon tonight is Once saved always saved. It’s about the eternal security of the believer, the fact that once we get saved there is nothing we can ever do to lose our salvation

faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

>warning someone is the same as threatening them

You have a choice here is the point. I'm not saying you're going anywhere or threatening anything. Simply starting the truth. Whatever you say I've said mine have a nice enlightening (doubt it) day.

You foaming at the mouth anger towards us believers is no different than how you hate your own family members who express faith in Christ...ipso facto proving those verses true.

I can't tell if you were trying to frame thor verses as being bad things, atheists like to pretend it's a gotcha!

Kent Hovind is to profound, as anti-matter is to matter. They cannot exist in the same space.

The heresy is destroyed in these posts:
Galatians
James
OSAS is Gnostic belief

Listen: what could you possibly be accomplishing by doing this in an Evangelist thread? This is not /Christian/, this is Jow Forums. This thread is for unsaved, even JIDF. Think long and hard about what you are accomplishing.

you should look up Kent Hovind and Tim Keller. They has a lot of interesting debates etc. on the Bible.
Good sermon from Tim Keller:
youtube.com/watch?v=lJ03Qu0YL7g

One of many hot takes from Kent Hovind:
youtube.com/watch?v=RVzeojdXbpQ

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Nah I specificly said a bunch of words. Don't read what's not there.

they have*

I am also Evangelizing showing the truth. God hates those who twist His words

>he thinks anybody in nazi germany was pagan
>he thinks jews support and shill for Christianity

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He is dead wrong about many things, but he is still saved and the Holy Spirit got some things accross when he was still the husband of one wife.

I know the science pretty well and it all lines up. All the astronomers, geologists, soil experts, botanists etc all agree on the age of the earth. All dna of all living things fits in the pattern we've observed and we can see how they evolved.

Then theres a few random anti evolutionists making youtube videos.

Which one am i gonna believe.

Thanks for the "warning". My advice to you is to verify the things you hear are true before you believe them.

For example there's no evidence of a hell. And no evidence that anyone goes there, or that there's a soul. Ergo there's probably no hell, and no good reason to believe there is one.

Does 1Peter 3:21 mean Baptism is merely a symbol or public profession of faith as Anderson believe?

Let's find out, starting with its Greek.

kαὶὑμᾶς ἀντίτυπον νῦνσῴζει βάπτισμα, οὐ σαρkὸς ἀπόθεσις ῥύπου ἀλλὰ συνειδήσεως ἀγαθῆς ἐπερώτημα εἰς θεόν, δι’ ἀναστάσεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

Although the verb ἐπερωτάω is common enough in the New Testament and wider literature, the passive cognate noun ἐπερώτημα is very rare. However based on early papyri that we got(i.e such as in P.Oxy. 9.1200, the registration of a deed dated to 266 CE,and in P.Oxy. 9.1208, the public acknowledgement of a contract of sale in 291 CE) it carries the sense of a contract or covenant, perhaps also equivalent to the Latin applicatio ad patronum, whereby one entered into a client–patron relationship. Oops, that entails Baptism according to that popular Baptist prooftext is actually the signing of a contract to enter into a relationship with God

Think.

>Luke 17:2
>It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

>Matthew 18:6
>But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he.

Your advice is stupid and I won't heed it.

Think about the harm you are doing by promoting a heretic who believes in Gnosticism

OSAS and Steven Anderson: No repentance, just belief on Christ for one second and you are forever saved.

Early Christians:
1Clement 49.2-6

Who is able to describe the bond of God’s love? 3Who is in a position to declare the greatness of its beauty? 4The height to which love leads is indescribable. 5Love binds us to God. Love covers a multitude of sins. Love bears all things. Love is patient in all things. There is nothing vulgar in love, nothing proud. Love has no schism; love does not cause division; love does all things in harmony. Everyone chosen by God has been made perfect in love; without love nothing is pleasing to God. 6In love has the Master received us. On account of the love he had for us, our Lord Jesus Christ gave his blood for us by God’s will— his flesh for our flesh and his life for our life.

Nothing involving pre-6000 years adheres to the Scientific Method- i.e. it cannot be demonstrated, observed or recreated. You need to understand:

Doctors were paid to say SCIENCE SAYS cigarettes and sugar were healthy. Really think about that.

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2 Clement 16.1– 4

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have received no small opportunity to repent, while we have time, let us turn to the God who has called us— that is, while we still have one who receives us. 2For if we renounce these pleasures and conquer our soul by refusing to do its evil desires, we will share in the mercy of Jesus. 3But you know that “the day” of judgment is already coming like a “blazing oven,” and “some of the heavens will be melted,” and the whole earth will be like lead being melted in a fire, and then both the hidden and public works of people will become visible. 4Therefore, merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is good as repentance for sin. Fasting is better than prayer, but merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is better than both, and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Prayer from a good conscience delivers from death. Blessed is everyone who is found full of these things, for merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) lightens the burden of sin.

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have received no small opportunity to repent, while we have time, let us turn to the God who has called us— that is, while we still have one who receives us. 2For if we renounce these pleasures and conquer our soul by refusing to do its evil desires, we will share in the mercy of Jesus. 3But you know that “the day” of judgment is already coming like a “blazing oven,” and “some of the heavens will be melted,” and the whole earth will be like lead being melted in a fire, and then both the hidden and public works of people will become visible. 4Therefore, merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is good as repentance for sin. Fasting is better than prayer, but merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is better than both, and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Prayer from a good conscience delivers from death.

Clement of Alexandria:

T herefore, the noble and holy manner of our philanthropy, according to Clement [i.e., the author of 1 Clement], seeks the common good, either by martyrdom or by teaching in deed and word, the latter of which is twofold, unwritten and written. This is love: to love God and to love neighbor. This leads to indescribable heights (cf. 1 Clem. 49.4). Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Pet 4:8). Love bears all things. Love is patient in all things. Love joins us to God. Love does all things in harmony. Everyone chosen by God has been made perfect in love. Without love nothing is pleasing to God. There is no explanation of the perfection of love, it is said. Who is worthy to be found in it, except the one whom God considers worthy (1 Clem. 50.1– 2)? Take, for example, the apostle Paul. “If I give my body,” he says, “but do not have love, I am

a noisy gong or a clanging symbol.” If it is not from an elective disposition, by gnostic love, that I testify, Paul says, but by fear; and if, then, by anticipated reward I rattle my lips to testify to the Lord that I confess the Lord, then I am an ordinary man, ringing out the Lord’s name, but not knowing him. For there is indeed a people that loves with the lips, and there is another that hands over the body to be burned (cf. Isa 29:13). “And if I give away all my possessions,” he says, not according to the principle of affectionate fellowship, but according to the principle of recompense, either from the person who received the benefaction or from the Lord who has promised, “and if I have all faith so as to move mountains,” and repel shadowy passions, and if I am not faithful to the Lord on account of love, “I am nothing,” as one reckoned with and no different from the multitude, especially in comparison with the one who testifies as a gnostic. (Strom. 4.18.111–12)

>I know the science pretty
Same here, I have a graduate STEM degree. If anything it helped to know a creator exists of some kind. My faith in Christ is/was built upon that certainty in a creator. That is what led me out of the preverbial plato's cave. But how you can have higher level physics knowledge and disbelieve the self-evident nature of God... is the only mystery here. And your foundational point that "science demands atheism" is false prima facie.

When what you say can only be found in the Gnostics, it's time to re-evaluate it

You are still stuck in the cave if you believe in OSAS

>quotes clement
BUWAHAHAHA

It's stupid to find out whether the things you believe in are actually true?

I guess if you wanna live in some kind of fantasy land thats fine. But i care whether my beliefs are true, and if they arent then I'll change them.

Yeah man it's a big conspiracy. The evidence they dug up actually showed a 6000 year old earth. Then all the scientists got together and made up this billions of years bullshit to send us all to hell. Top job man you solved it. Your nobel prize will arrive in the mail soon.

The point is to show how Andersonites and OSAS are at odds with the early Christians and match with the Gnostics. Point proven as I shown how Irenaeus' description of some Gnostics shows they believe OSAS and deny repentance just as today's Andersonites do. Here I show from Clements who are late first to second century sources how they contradict the Baptist worldview.

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Your priority in this thread is to derail it. There have been several lost souls you could have helped me guide. You didn't. You probably won't. You aren't doing the 1st works, you are forsaking the great commission. Why?

My priority is to guide souls to the truth by showing how your heresies are false. Dont like it? Dont make the thread and go to your own Andersonite safe space

>Yeah man it's a big conspiracy. The evidence they dug up actually showed a 6000 year old earth.

Just admit you don't know the science. Admit that. Don't masquerade like we had an intelligent discussion and you weighed the facts.

(4) Next he says, “What is the Passover you celebrate? You are giving your allegiance to Jewish fables again. We have no business celebrating the Passover,” he says; “Christ was sacrificed for our Passover.”

4 3,5 Then, after this: “Why do you mention the names of the dead after their deaths (i.e., in the liturgy)? < If > the living prays or has given alms, how will this benefit the dead? If the prayer of the people here has benefited the people there, no one should practice piety or perform good works! He should get some friends any way he wants, either by bribery or by asking friends on his death bed, and they should pray that he may not suffer in the next life, or be held to account for his heinous sins.

3,6 “And there can be no set time for fasting,” he says. ‘These are Jewish customs, and ‘under a yoke of bondage.5 ‘The Law is not made for the righteous, but for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers6 and the rest. If I choose to fast at all, I shall fast of my own accord, on the day of my choice, because of my liberty.” (7) And they therefore make a point of fasting on Sunday instead [of the usual days], and eating on Wednesdays and Fridays. They often fast on Wednesday also, but by their own choice, they say, not by an ordinance.

3,8 And during the days of Passover, while we sleep on the ground, purify ourselves, endure hardships, eat dry bread, pray, watch and fast, performing all the saving < mortifications* > of the holy Passovers, they buy meat and wine early in the morning, stuff their veins, < and > burst out laughing in mockery of those who keep this holy service of the week of the Passover.

From: Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 75

Here we have a 4th century Baptist who went against Constantine's perverted church.

I wasn't replying to you. Keep posting your catholic copy/pasta if you want, you aren't winning any hearts and minds. I love Christ, and you tell me I'm going to hell. I wish I knew how to help someone like you but I dont.

Haha just joking. Aerius is in fact an Arian

1,1 Again, one Aerius has likewise become a great misfortune for the world, a person with cracked brains and inflated pride. For from first to last, malice has been the cause of every sect that has arisen—[malice], or a spirit of vainglory or pride, or a lustful appetite, or envy of one’s neighbors, or temper, or rashness. (2) In a word, blindness is of the devil, though the devil has no power to deceive anyone who does not want him to. Everyone is responsible for his own sinning, as the scripture says, “that they which are approved may be made manifest.”

2 1,3 Aerius is still alive in the flesh and survives, a thoroughgoing Arian. Because he has inquired further into Arian speculations he holds beliefs that are no different, but are like those of Arius, And in his turn he has his tongue sharpened and his mouth battle-ready, to attract a deluded band, and a throng of people whose ears are itching and minds receptive. (4) For he too has invented a monstrous fictitious doctrine with nothing to it—a source of some amusement to the sensible, but he has still deceived and perverted many with it.

Accepting eternal damnation to find out if there is such a thing is pretty stupid. So in this context your advice is terrible. Pascals wager comes to mind. Don't bet against the winner, and if you plan on doing so, especially don't wager your eternal soul. Doing so is stupid, and obviously a sign of NO HUMILITY. Which us why I advocate you humble yourself and requestion what you know.

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Vain jangling. You are a mouthpiece with no ears to hear or eyes to see. You refuse to counterpoint my verses, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Cant handle the truth OSAS Gnostic?

That is a based and redpilled meme.

I dont have to as long as I can show how just a couple of verses contradict OSAS. And that is what I did with James and Galatians and even 1Peter.

And what do you know, no OSAS believer and Andersonite can refute what I provided nor can dismiss the evidence of them taking what is essentially the belief of Gnostics!

Matthew on Judgement BTFO Anderson
Expectation of the final judgment is a central theme in Matthew, and the function of this motif within the narrative is primarily to inspire moral behavior in light of the coming judgment. The ethical motivation of Matthew’s judgment motif can be seen especially in Jesus’ speeches, where Jesus regularly teaches his disciples to live in the present in light of the reality of hell and the final day of judgment, when the righteous will be separated from the unrighteous (Matt 5:12, 21-30; 6:1-21; 7:13-14, 21-27; 10:40-42; 13:24-30, 36-43, 47-50; 16:27; 18:8-9, 23-35; 19:27-30).

Throughout the narrative of Matthew, the practice of righteousness, including sharing resources with the needy, is grounded in the expectation that everyone will be rewarded or punished at the final judgement based on how they have lived in the present, one example is the parable of talents in The parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30) which

stresses the importance of servants acting responsibly while the “Lord” of the household is away; the servant who is not faithful with the talent entrusted to him has his talent taken away and is thrown into “the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”

But this is made even more evident in Matthew 25:31-46. The sheeps are rewarded because they have provided for the king himself by feeding the hungry, provisioning the thirsty with water, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, and visiting those in prison (vv. 34-40). When the righteous express their ignorance regarding their performance of these merciful deeds, inquiring about when they have done the things for which they are rewarded (vv. 37-39), the king responds, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did it to me” (v. 40).43 So closely linked are Jesus and his followers that showing material kindness to Jesus’ disciples is to do the same for Jesus himself. In a very real way, then, by caring for fellow disciples, the sheep embody the secret performance of merciful deeds advocated in Matt 6:2-4, for the righteous are not even aware of the extent to which their ἐλεημοσύνη has ministered to Christ.

Conversely, the goats are sent away “into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (v. 41), cursed and banished to eternal punishment (v. 46) because of their failure to perform merciful deeds for followers of Jesus who are hungry, thirsty, strangers, naked, sick, and imprisoned. Nothing is stated or implied about the motivations of those sheep who have acted mercifully on behalf of the destitute, although the motif of divine judgment on the basis of how individuals have cared for the marginalized strongly suggests that, here as elsewhere in Matthew’s Gospel, ethics are motivated by eschatology.

It's obvious to anyone he has no interest in preaching the gospel. He's a copy pasta catholic.

The scene of the Son of Man’s judgment of the righteous and unrighteous in Matt 25:31-46 offers a fitting and evocative climax of the motif of divine reward for merciful deeds or punishment for their absence in the Gospel of Matthew. Matthew’s Gospel envisions a universal judgment of all people—including followers of Jesus—on the basis of deeds performed in this life, and an important measure of one’s righteousness is care for needy disciples of Jesus.46 In this sense, merciful action toward needy disciples in Matthew’s Gospel is primarily meritorious in the sense that practices of merciful care for the poor result in heavenly reward at the final assize, when the works of all people will be judged.

At the same time, however, it could be argued that, because care for the poor in the Gospel of Matthew represents a significant element of Jesus’ proclamation, charity is broadly atoning in the sense that adherence to Jesus’ teaching of a better righteousness is one of several ways in which the alleviation of sin is narrated in the First Gospel. Certainly, Jesus’ identity as one who saves from sin is foundational in Matthew’s story. At a key moment in the narrative, after the record of the genealogy of “Jesus the Messiah, son of David, son of Abraham” (1:1-17), Jesus’ birth is foretold to Joseph by an angel of the Lord, and the angel’s prediction is punctuated by the declaration that Mary “will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins” (1:21). This statement in Matt 1:21, in which the main character of the story is named and his commission is identified, can be viewed as programmatic for the mission of Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew.47 But what does it mean, within the literary framework of Matthew’s Gospel, for Jesus to “save his people from their sins”?