New IBF DRUG, PROSTITUTION, & SCHISM

I've followed it, yeah. Pastor Romero stepped down after his wife confronted him about gambling and seeing prostitutes while visiting his satellite church in Jacksonville.

I don't really see how this is that big... Adam Fannin claimed that he was uninformed about the funds of the church after Romero stepped down, but the reason for that is that Romero was committing his sins while in Jacksonville, and he was very close to Fannin. Why in the world would they hand over the accounts to Fannin in that case? Instead they put the bank accounts in the name of an active and trustworthy person in the church.

What church is splitting, by the way? All of Stedfast in Fort Worth is staying under Pastor Shelley and presumably also Stedfast in Jacksonville...

He didn't go radio silent, he offered to help in any way he could. Keep in mind he's in California. Why in the world does he even need to get involved in this at all? They're called independent for a reason.

Hi Anderson

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All you fags laughed at Catholics. Where is your God now?

That is right Anderson(You) got his(your) Vatican bank involved to protect your sins.

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Ohh, you're a pagan Catholic, lol.

Im IBF Stronghold Baptist.

Not a catholic like Steven Anderson who is running multiple churches as the sole authority
like the pope.

Dude does not even understand what independent means.

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Hi pastor. Do you approve of my meme?

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Go molest some children with your FSSP cult, or read your Douay–Rheims or the Latin Vulgate or whatever else you read.

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Fuck that nigger loving pastor.

whats this?

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Yep, it's been like reality tv. I support Pastor Anderson.

seriously, what the fuck is even going on in this thread. OP is schizo-ing out at first I thought he was pro Anderson but later it's clear he's anti-Anderson wtf OP. this thread is a wreck.

I attend Stronghold Baptist Church Mr. Anderson.

You seem to know alot about mary worshipers for a Baptist pastor. Also your wife;s cookbook is uninspired. She also needs to learn modesty about her breasts.

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He literally made an entire documentary about how the ashkenazi aren't the real jews.

it's not Anderson who is in trouble for various improprieties; it's some other pastor who is apparently associated with his Church.

I'm glad to hear that. I would have been bummed out to find out that Anderson had betrayed everyone.

Lol, sure you are bro.

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>literally a gnostic tier bunch of groups

Anderson has set himself of as a Pope in the New IFB movement after a scandal of drugs and prostitution broke out with a man his is close to. He is replacing pastors, locking bank accounts, causing schisms over doctrine and trying to silence dissent.

Anderson is getting exposed his corruption is about to be exposed. I'm worried about what he is going to do to his cult members if they turn on him or it stars crashing down on him.

FBI probably needs to be involved at this point looking into his churches in TX, CA and AZ.

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He already betrayed Christ by being a Gnostic

Did you know OSAS is actually Gnostic teaching? Dont believe me? Let's look:

Irenaeus on what some Gnostics believe:

3. For this purpose, then, he had come that he might win her first, and free her from slavery, while he conferred salvation upon men, by making himself known to them. For since the angels ruled the world ill because each one of them coveted the principal power for himself, he had come to amend matters, and had descended, transfigured and assimilated to powers and principalities and angels, so that he might appear among men to be a man, while yet he was not a man; and that thus he was thought to have suffered in Judæa, when he had not suffered. Moreover, the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of those angels who formed the world; for which reason those who place their trust in him and Helena no longer regarded them, but, as being free, live as they please; for men are saved through his grace, and NOT ON ACCOUNT OF THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUS ACTIONS. For such deeds are not righteous in the nature of things, but by mere accident, just as those angels who made the world, have thought fit to constitute them, seeking, by means of such precepts, to bring men into bondage. On this account, he pledged himself that the world should be dissolved, and that those who are his should be freed from the rule of them who made the world.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.ii.xxiv.html

Anderson:
The title of my sermon tonight is Once saved always saved. It’s about the eternal security of the believer, the fact that once we get saved there is nothing we can ever do to lose our salvation

faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

Fact, all IFB are false

Galatians 4:8-11
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

To prevent this from showing OSAS and his views of the Galatians salvific status as false, Anderson claims in his sermon on Galatians 4 that it simply means that Paul simply thought they were saved when they in fact are not. So he doubts their salvation. This interpretation does not make sense as it does not match the very structure of the verse. Had Paul wanted to convey the idea that he now doubts whether they had even been Saved, he wouldnt had said that they known God or rather known by Him but rather express himself closely with his interpretation. But as the text in its english form shows, this is hardly the case.

Should this plain meaning be insufficient, a more in depth analysis of these verses will be given. First off we begin at the word “know” in reference to being known by God. This term in Biblical usage typically refers to one’s relationship with God(eg, 1John 2:3, 4, 14, 3:6, Hebrews 8:11). When used in the context of “known by God”, the same sense of intimacy is the case, alongside election(eg, Genesis 18:19, Amos 3:2).

Steven planted a church in Fort Worth, Texas a few years ago. The pastor of this church, named Donnie Romero, resigned as pastor a few days ago because it was revealed that he had been gambling and apparently also seeing prostitutes while visiting his own church plant in Jacksonville. Steven was contacted by members of the church in Fort Worth and decided to come over to make sure they could find a new pastor and solve things as amicably as possible. Romero is staying in the church but has resigned as pastor. The new pastor will be Jonathan Shelley.

In my view, Steven is solving this very professionally. Imagine if this had been the Catholic church like OP belongs to. They would have elevated him and swept everything under the rug, lol.

“Turn ye again” in v9 or the Greek,epistrephete(ἐπιστρεφετε) is a verb that denotes a “change of mind or action for better or worse” according to the Bauer Lexicon. Indeed this term in Matthew 13:15 refers to conversion positively. In light of these positive connotations, it could be possible that Paul’s use here have an ironic sense, where the Galatians having a close intimate relationship with God but now seek after the works of the Mosaic Law. As the tense here is present in the Greek, this would indicate that the Galatians are in the process of turning and if they turn completely, Christ shall have no affect upon them. This makes the security and salvation of the Galatians conditional on their faith and in some sense even their actions, opposing the OSAS view.

Mr. Anderson come clean about your backsliding before you end up in prison like your friend Kent!

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BY aNDERSON OWN LOGIC THIS PROSTITUTE PIMP PASTOR ROMERO IS STILL SAVED EVEN IF HE EMBEZZLED ONE BILLION DOLLARS AND KILLED MILLIONS OF WOMEN

COME CLEAN ABOUT YOUR FALSE EISEGESIS OF SCRIPTURE BEFORE GOD SENDS YOU TO HELL

Posted this on /christian/, let's have a thread there as well...

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Galatians 3:1-5
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Anderson’s eisegesis here proves deficient. In his sermon on Galatians 3, his overall view can be expressed as: the Apostles preached the Gospel to the Galatians and ministered to them, they didnt follow and not Saved at all, they return to the Law. By analysing these verses deeper, we will start to see how Anderson’s understanding of them doesnt conform to their flow.

The opening verse tells us the reason for the Galatians’ foolishness. Given the use of “bewitched”, it may be possible that their succumbing to the Judaizers could be due to an “evil spiritual influence”. Bauer’s Lexicon defines the Greek for bewitched(βασkαίνω) as to “exert an evil influence through the eye”. Usage here is metaphorical, no doubt referring to the influence of the Judaizing group. Yet this is foolishness as the Gospel was preached to them. The visual reference to Christ used here may indicate that Paul utilizes the rhetorical technique of ekphrasis which focuses on vivid imagery. This poses a problem for Anderson and those that are iconoclastic, as Paul is essentially admitting to preaching the Gospel in a manner that uses “word pictures” which create mental images.

The Khazar theory has been debunked. Jews are jews.

Next, Paul asks the question of how the Galatians received the Spirit. This unfortunately for Anderson blows his case out of the water, as such indicates that Paul presuppose that the Galatians actually received the Holy Spirit. Oddly for Anderson, he doesnt mention anything about the Spirit in v2, possibly due to this. Still, it must be clarified that this reception of the Spirit is through faith, or in this case, believing the Gospel preached and given what is stated in v27, Baptism as part of this.

Moving to v3, we see more confirmations that advice against taking the OSAS viewpoint. The phrase “having begun” is an aorist participle ἐναρξάμενοι(enarxamenoi) which its only other reference is Philippians 1:6 which refers to the very work God will do in the believer. Bauer’s lexicon notes that in both contexts, what is referred to here is the beginning of the Christian’s life. The two verses even parallel each other, with Galatians being more ironic given its pastoral situation. This detail is left out of Anderson’s own sermon on this chapter and it is quite obvious why, once this is considered, it would entail the Galatians as actually receiving a beginning from God who works in them and having received the Spirit. These are defeaters to his interpretation that the Galatians were never Saved in the first place.

Adam Fannin was removed from the bank account of Stedfast Baptist Church and another trustworthy member of Stedfast Fort Worth was put on that bank account instead, because of the fact that they weren't sure about potential involvement or improprieties by Adam Fannin. Steven was not put on any bank account and did not take over any bank accounts of Stedfast Baptist Church. They have hired a forensic accountant to sort out the bookkeeping of the church, since Donnie Romero seems to have been gambling and could not be trusted with finances anymore.

On v4, the “suffering” could invoke the sense that the Galatians went through some persecution, perhaps even due to the incursions of the Judaizers. In Anderson’s sermon, nothing of this is implied. In this verse, the particle γέ is used, as shown in the Greek render below:
τοσαῦτα ἐπάθετε εἰkῇ; εἴ γε kαὶ εἰkῇ
This particle is meant to place focus on a single idea or place according to the Bauer lexicon. Thus this would suggest the Galatian’s experiences of “sufferings” to be the idea in focus. With v5 focusing on miracles and the ministering of the Spirit and the preceding v3 referring to the work of the Spirit in the Galatians, it is most likely that they also experienced the Spirit that aid them in these sufferings. Should they turn away now, all these would had be in vain. The tone of these experiences being in vain is one that may express a hope that they will reject the Judaizers in light of these experiences.

This again, nullifies the OSAS position, as the way Paul addresses the situation is one where he sees the Galatians in a real danger of making all their experiences of being Saved as being in vain. The danger of this situation with the Judaizers expressed in Galatians 2:4:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage
Had OSAS be what Paul had in mind, this and all we covered wouldnt be what we find when analysing the verses and letting them speak for themselves. Yet when we do, a contradictory picture of the OSAS eisegesis emerges.

I'm not catholic Mr. Anderson. You took control of a church your where not ordained in and no ordained man of GOD called you to give sermon or take charge. You stepped all over the elders of the church. Mr. Anderson you can not cover up your mismanagement of funds

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That is correct, Donnie Romero is still saved since salvation is by faith alone and permanent once we receive this gift from God, according to the Bible.

According to Gnostic pope Anderson, ROMERO IS SAVED EVEN IF HE KILLED ONE MILLION BABIES

THIS IS OSAS

ergo Gnostic

Irenaeus on what some Gnostics believe:

3. For this purpose, then, he had come that he might win her first, and free her from slavery, while he conferred salvation upon men, by making himself known to them. For since the angels ruled the world ill because each one of them coveted the principal power for himself, he had come to amend matters, and had descended, transfigured and assimilated to powers and principalities and angels, so that he might appear among men to be a man, while yet he was not a man; and that thus he was thought to have suffered in Judæa, when he had not suffered. Moreover, the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of those angels who formed the world; for which reason those who place their trust in him and Helena no longer regarded them, but, as being free, live as they please; for men are saved through his grace, and NOT ON ACCOUNT OF THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUS ACTIONS. For such deeds are not righteous in the nature of things, but by mere accident, just as those angels who made the world, have thought fit to constitute them, seeking, by means of such precepts, to bring men into bondage. On this account, he pledged himself that the world should be dissolved, and that those who are his should be freed from the rule of them who made the world.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.ii.xxiv.html

Anderson:
The title of my sermon tonight is Once saved always saved. It’s about the eternal security of the believer, the fact that once we get saved there is nothing we can ever do to lose our salvation

faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

You might hate the Bible and the gospel, but the Bible is very clear on this subject. We don't go to heaven because of how good we are, but because of grace, and once we have received grace, nothing can pluck us out of His hand.

>Irenaeus
I don't care what some Catholic priest said, lol.

The fuck is NIFB and IFB mean?

Why do Christians tear apart their own Religion?
t. Tengrist.

youtu.be/toKIxkgnAV4
>1:15-1:32
>"AAAAAAAhhhyyeEeeeaAaaaaEEEeeeeeeeeAaaaaaaAAAAAAAEEEEEEEE"
What did he mean by this?

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Just like the pope does with his Vatican bank buddies that he appoints. Mr. Anderson you need to learn what independent means. Also you need to learn not to abandon your wife to be with a married women in TX who is involved in financial crimes.

When there is filthy lucre about you show up fast Mr. Anderson. It is all gonna come out.

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Lol, Paul is not saying that they aren't saved, he's saying that they're falling into false teachings and "desire again to be in bondage". He's rebuking them for falling into heresies. But it seems clear that they were saved.

Your exegesis is really bad.

Anderson is going to say Romero is a reprobate to try and hide his crimes.

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IFB means "Independent Fundamental Baptist", and NIFB means "New IFB". The "New IFB" is basically a modern revival of the old IFB movement, which was famous for its hard preaching, but has recently grown quite slack. A lot of people consider Pastor Anderson to be the guy who started this revival in the IFB, and many of his old church members have started their own IFB churches around America.

Can someone answer my question?

>Another protestant denomination splitting and added to a long list of denominations
Color me surprised!

Thanks.

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The fuck is your question faggot?

Brother, you speak the truth, care to join us over at /christian/?

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Sure user I'll try.

newfag

...

Real faith and not larp

What?
Idk. Why do right wingers purity spiral? Why did the Spanish Republicans constantly infight and lose? Why do human beings have an ego and and why are they retarded?

Yes, I heard his thunder myself.

Oh hey it's that Swede who is a fundy Baptist. Haven't seen you in a little while. Are there many ind. baptists in Sweden? I thought it was illegal to practice true Christian worship in Sweden.

Personally, I believe it to be ego in place of faith.

Personally, I believe you are correct. Absolutely.

That "swede" is Mr. Anderson via proxy/VPN Mr. Anderson has always been a lurker on the chans and comments when he gets brought up.

Tear apart their own religion? Nothing is being torn apart in this particular case. It's just a pastor resigning because he disqualified himself from being a pastor.

Nah I've seen this swede posting for at least a year or two and always talking highly about ind. baptists. He does not always shill for Anderson, though he sometimes does. Not enough for me to believe he is Anderson on VPN.

hey pastor stop marrying off niggers, thanks

Hi. I think there are maybe 1 or 2 ind. baptist churches in Sweden, but I know there are many fundamental baptists who just go to "normal" baptist churches. But almost all churches in Sweden are actually pentecostal or charismatic. And yes, it is illegal to preach on fags and Jews, not that I expect members of such churches to report their pastor.

Checks out

Is it hard to find traditional Churches over there? Do you compromise and go to a more moderate baptist Church?

It is more than that Mr. Anderson. It is all about you acting as a pope by appointing pastors, taking control of accounts, usurping local church elders.

Also you leaving your wife to be with a married women in another state shows how far you have backslid. You usurp the role of head of house of another man, that is a major sin.

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(((Pastor Anderson)))

lol

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He is an Ashkenazi. In Marching to Zion, he took a DNA test.

My faith keeps me strong despite all the accusations of being an infidel or demon-worshiper. I laugh in confusion when I read accusations of Christians calling other Christians "Popes", "Pagans" or "Pimps" etc.

It’s almost like they have no foundation at all.

Anderson preaches salvation by faith in Jesus alone
Once saved always saved

Must be nice. I'm a Catholic without a Church let alone a Pope.

Are you a native brit or a genuine tangri from a part which the religion is still practiced ?

Yeah it's quite hard, but in most semi-big cities you can find a decent Baptist church I would say. About 10 years ago a bunch of different baptist associations joined together into two organizations called The Evangelical Free Church and Equmenia Church -- but both of these are effectively just pentecostals.

I remember my parents in their youth how strict their church was (not allowed to listen to rock music and women had skirts) -- this doesn't happen anymore, they're watered down.

Are you a ind. fund. bap.?

Which one?

Stedfast Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas.

I have distant Turkic ancestry. Though I used to be irreligious before relatively recently.

No I mean which Pastor?

Donnie Romero.

My mother is a Catholic, she thinks the "Pope" is demented.

How much turk ?
What was the religion of your ancestor ? I mean great grant parent or grand parent ?

damn

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I must say, like the Black Pastors, there seems to be a fidelity problem with Hispanic Pastors too albeit not as bad.

The current one is more than demented. It's not just that though. It has become a universalist Church and I can't stand that shit. We don't have any community anymore. There is hardly any point to it now.

I have no idea.

In many ways, Tengrism can be interpreted to have a universal outlook but personal responsibility and care for the realms is of utmost importance, it seems that your church and many others have neglected these aspects.

That's possible... I think it's largely a personality issue because authority and leadership figures often have traits that lend them to infidelity and adultery.

It's not a schism because
1. they're INDEPENDENT Fundamental Baptists, Faithful Word isn't affiliated with Stedfast
2. The pastor is stepping down for some big sins and a new pastor is taking his place