Thread meant for discussion about Fascism, National Socialism or any other Third Position belief.
>What is fascism? At it's core, Fascism is a thought based on Unity, Willpower, Duty and Action. It views and wants to see man as a part of a greater order, in which he has to adhere to the fundamental principles and ideals of Universe itself.In a Natural Order every thing has a place, and thus every thing is good, because it fills it's duty. This natural order is based upon the various truths of the world, nation, race, gender and family. Everything else stems from this foundation.
>What are fascist economics? The fundamental principle of Fascist economics is, that economy should serve the nation, not the other way around. This is the basic premise of fascist economics, and everything else stems from it. Like in Syndicalism, the economy is organized around various corporations/syndicates, but they are still part of the state. Every sector of economy (like agriculture, fishing, public transport) have it's own syndicate, which is made up of people, who have extensive knowledge and work experience in these sectors of economy. They collectively decide, what's best for their sector (wages, workhours, needed amounts of production). Above all of them, still stands the state, that controls their actions, in case if they try to harm working class/national industry in any way.
>Is Fascism different from National Socialism? Both Fascism and NS share the same worldview. Italian Fascism was born for the conditions on the 20th century Italy, and it was meant for the Italian people, and it was inspired by various Italian movements, like Futurism. NS was made for the Germanic people, and for the conditions on the 20th century Germany,and inspired by things like Völkisch movement. While they have the same roots, their leaves are different, just because Italians are different than Germans. The same applies to every fascist group that has ever existed, exists or will exist.
>Is Fascism right or left? It is beyond the left-right spectrum, synthesising ideas of both wings, while remaning a separate thing on it's own. Fascism is above traditional left-right paradigm, because it adheres to the fundamental truths of the Universe we live in, while all other ideologies, left or right, are made up belief systems by humans, and their subjective views.
>Is Fascism the same as communism? No, Fascists aren't materialists, they reject the notion of class warfare and dialectical materialism. Instead, we seek to unite the whole nation, independently of their economic status. Fascists reject the idea of dialectical materialism, instead, Fascists believe that history is written by great man, who put all their energy into the fight they're facing and transform the material world according to their vision and worldview, using pure willpower. When talking about economics, Fascists still allow private ownership of land and small busineses, as long as they act according to national interests. We do not seek to destroy the individual, instead we want to empower the individual person as a part of larger collective.
>What about race? The race is one of the most important things to a fascist. Ethnicity and nation is strictily based on a race, and thus, if the racial makeup of nation changes, it's no longer the same nation. No fascist is "colorblind" or supports race-mixing.
>Why do Fascists oppose liberalism? Liberalism, created upon Enlightenment ideals, rejects the idea of organic and natural society, offering "freedom" and "equality" instead. The liberal view on freedom is totally wrong, as it emphasizes hedonistic attitude towards life, and "live and let live" type of thought. Their "freedom" doesn't make anyone free, it only makes them slaves to their own animalistic desires. "Equality" is something just disgusting. Nothing great was ever created by the equal masses, instead, everything was done by great man or groups of them, who where miles above the average. Democracy give the illusion to the lowest parts of society, that their opinion actually matters, and that they have a active saying in politics of the nation. Meanwhile, they are used by the degenerate ruling class, who uses their lack of knowledge to push their own agenda. Thus, every liberal democracy is really just oligarchy, where people with the biggest influence use the common folk for their own good and personal gain. Liberal economics put the emphasis on profit of the few, while viewing the regular, working-class man as nothing more than tool for the enrichment of elites. Both Liberalism and democracy creates a divided society.
>Why do fascist oppose communism? Communism is materialistic to it's core, it views human beings only in digits, and the only differnce between Communism and Capitalism is that Communism wants to divide resources differently. Fascism on the other hand, is idealistic, it recognizes the spiritual and artistic needs of a man. Communism also promotes class warfare, while Fascism aims to unite the economic clases of a nation behind a higher goal.
Recommended reading >Benito Mussolini - The Doctrine of Fascism >Adolf Hitler - My Struggle >George Sorel - Reflections on Violence >Corneliu Zelea Codreanu - For My Legionaries >Oswald Mosley - Fascism 100 Questions Asked and Answered >Ironmarch Literature and Articles >Raven Thompson - The Coming Corporate State >Oswald Spengler - Prussianism And Socialism >Oswald Spengler - Decline of West >Giovanni Gentile - The Philosophic Basis of Fascism >Julius Evola - Revolt Against The Modern World >Francis Parker Yockey - Imperium >George Lincoln Rockwell - This Time The World >Kevin B. Macdonald - Culture of Critique >Yukio Mishima - Sun and Steel >Fausto Pitigliani - The Italian Corporative State >Ernst Junger - Storm Of Steel >James Mason - SIEGE Useful links >Doctrine of Fascism worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm: >Mein Kampf hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/ >Library of various Fascist works bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/ >Ironmarch Archive mega.nz/#F!U3YAyJqK!EK-81ka9QIauKfYuWrkruQ!1zh0FYiI >NOOSE Archive pastebin.com/rCykseWx >Fascist/NS Philosophy mega.nz/#F!cZoSEbpC!kdnYuLw3hvYSus9uZl6PRQ!QNAixJZL >Various Philosophic Works mega.nz/#F!0F5GXTjS!oGdz8UP5JbcleNMy6YKLvg!IUxw2R6T
What about the book, nuremberg or the promised land? I think it does a good job stating what has been stolen from us under capitalism.
Colton Barnes
Well, my opposition to Muslim immigration into Europe is mostly based on racial and cultural grounds. I have to admit though, that Muslim civilization currently is far stronger that ours is. Islam serves as a stroung foundation for Arabs, that's why you don't see degeneracy there.
Garbage sandnigger religion which promotes polygamy, pedophilia, imperialism, being a lying cunt, among other things. Ahmed Huber was a Swiss islamic convert who was raised protestant, he was 18 when Hitler died so take whatever he says about him with a grain of salt, he was a shill trying to subvert national socialist circles with his islamic trash.
Xavier Stewart
I didn't make the image.
Aaron Green
I like it, it gives their people a drive ours lacks. There are huge flaws with it but frankly it can be better than our current system and stops this mass social dislocation. But of course Islam is a tool of our enemies so no matter what niceties it holds it must be removed.
Ryan Wilson
I've no problem with islam until its confined in the countries were it belong (so not in any western nation)
That's kind of false. NS sees ethnicity and race as the goal to strive for while fascism (Mussolini's) sees the State as the main goal. NS also promotes a good mix of individualism and collectivism both while Mussolini's fascism promotes mainly collectivism.
Again, they both effectivly share the same worldview. Compare writting of Gentile and Mussolini to writtings of Hitler. They're both in the same boat. Their only differences comes from the differences of both nations. The Völkisch movement was really based on Germanic race, Italy didn't have anything like that. Even the, Italian Fascism was in no way colorblind.
To add in the later years NS became much looser on race, Léon Degrelle talked about it a bit on an interview.
Hunter Diaz
I saw that, but I'm not convinced that it is just a negative. I think it can easily backfire and give us a plethora of volunteers. Heavy handed goverment repression is our friend(another radicals sadly).
How do user fathers raise their children in a fascist fashion?
I'm expecting a son very soon and I'm reading Montessori stuff, started a bit Rudolf Steiner, but I'd like to keep it close to nazi ideal. Do you have books to recommend?
John Howard
What's that all about? I don't really understand. Give a quick rundown, please.
Blake Stewart
>The current crop of generals want to turn the screws on Russia while crushing right wing anti-immigration, left wing anti-globalization, or local secessionist movements... Facebook didn't pay for it. Also the whole point of the exercise is to turn down social unrest by clamping down on dissident voices. Basically Integrity Initiative is trying to halt socal unrest and may be creating a group of general to take over the British goverment in the name of "democracy" but really it is talking about internationalism/globalism/centrism.
Robert Martin
The green text is stolen from the thread. Also it could easily be fake, we get a lot of false Happenings here but it's worth a glance imo.
Adam Martin
Huh, sounds rather weird, but okay
Kayden Peterson
I know, think about the similarities between this and the Iron guard vs Carol's military.
They believed in an ethnic community. Oppose international capitalism and communism and had state owned banks. It was also centred around the Emperor similar to Italy and Germany centring around Il Duce or the Fuhrer although the Emperor didn't make a lot of the decisions. It was also axis. I would say they would be 3rd positionist and maybe fascist
Jason Butler
OK
Evan Cooper
At it’s core, Fascism is for people that do not want to be free. That is why ‘fascism is a religion’, as stated by the author, Mussolini. You can only be free without it.
Just leave it up, not a big deal. Although it would be better if disscusion about fascism would be limited to one thread at the time. Yeah, it seems that their vision was pretty similar. I guess it's kinda hard for me to compare them with Europeans, because it's primarly Asian worldview.
I personally think we should stop using old leaders and focus on a slightly updated image. The British, French and America public won't vote for someone who loves Hitler or Mussolini. People are uneducated in our politics and will scoff at us without giving a second thought. I believe we should aim to be more presentable to the public we are trying to win over.
Ayden Richardson
Freedom in the way anarchists, capitalists, libertarians and so on put it is most of the time selfish and degenerate and harmful to the individual, family, community, society and civilisation just like rampant materialism
Jacob Bennett
this shit is beyond pathetic. >first as tragedy. second as comedy -Karl Marx
they became more fascist as they communicated with Hitler, but they were just ethnic imperialist at first. They really should be ashamed for some of their war crimes, in all honesty. Hitler did not do enough in gathering allies. It saddens me when I listen to Hitler speak about the eastern and western front and being outnumbered by Russian tanks. youtu.be/ClR9tcpKZec
Leo Powell
Wrong. The only true freedom comes from discipline, which is important part of fascism. Also, Mussolini didn't say that fascism is religion - he said that it would be wrong to call it a religion, ideology or philosophy, as it's something between all of them - a worldview.
Many Japanese nationalists would say it's a Japanese world view. Japan is more ethnic based on the Japanese based than the broad "Asian" brush. Japanese culture is very distinct and they are ethnically a unique people too
Sebastian Torres
Who is the fellow at the CI in your picture
Nicholas Torres
But we live in a time of ultimate freedom and our people hate it. The amount of people that trust our goverment and enjoy our way of life is a signle digit percentage. There are freedoms in fascism but there are also responsibilities, like there are in a good family.
Evan Ortiz
We won't change the system through election though. Also, we can't forget people, who did so much for the fascist cause. >"your pee pee smal XD" yeah, that's what I meant
Anthony Ward
This, we need to redpill them on Fascism and stop trying to come from the viewpoint of Nazi or Hitler. Youre right it does not appeal to any normies. If Fascism is explained and not diluted with lies and leftist propaganda, then it will enlighten all peoples and ethnic nations.
Jack Bell
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Caleb Morgan
People get really worked up when I say around half the waffen ss was made up of volunteers from Europe and Asia and the middle east and some Africans and mixed race people too and I called it an international stand against Zionist communism and capitalism and globalism
David Myers
In the Italian encyclopedia at that time, he called fascism a ‘religion’.
It is un-debatable.
Fascism functions on faith in a strick system which sactifices all freedoms for religious adherences and practices.
I WILL NOT JOIN a religion based on military ridgidity which makes some guy a god.
It is a weak sell. Who would. Next.
Adam Thompson
>We won't change the system through election though I agree but we need to apeal to our audiences. Groups like NA lose many potential recruits by screaming "hitler was right" on the street corners, I see no point clinging on to icons like hitler if we alienate our young men.
Aaron Gray
>memeflag >(1) and done
Dylan Baker
>sactifices all freedoms for religious adherences and practices. That's completely untrue and against what Mosley said.
It's closer to a religion than political ideology, yes, but that's not a bad thing. >Fascism functions on faith in a strick system which sactifices all freedoms Again, read what I posted above. Being addicted to cuck porn, cheap and fat food, shiity TV shows, while drinking yourself to death and using various drugs isn't freedom, you're being a slave to you animalistic desires.
Evan Hernandez
My opposition to Islam exists simply because I do not think it is true. No other reason is needed.
Free speech is impossible in ((((fascism))). Free speech is good. Free and anonymous speech is Jow Forums. We like to debate shit.
So, (((fascism))) would take Jow Forums away, and other free speech.
((((Fascism)))) is the ultimate enemy.
Sorry, bros. Only idiots fall for it. American is too smart.
Elijah Ward
>anarchist The internet is a waste of time, for the things as listed in your image. also >that Hitler article Don't forget he was also a FtM tranny goy
Liam Long
>fascism would take away the internet Good. The only things they have spawned is degeneracy
Carter Gray
Islam in an Emirate is opposed to free speech. (((Islam is like Fascism)))) Next. Next.
Ryder Nguyen
Materialism and lust and degeneracy and the desire for a cheap thrill does enslave so many of the apathetic masses. Why is moral poison like porn free and junk food cheap? If its free there is a reason for it's subsidised for a reason. Also porn is dominated by zionists
>Freedom is the ultimate good. where is your proof?
Easton Howard
Once again that's untrue, I'm ignoring you now. Try reading some of Mosley work.
Gabriel Fisher
Finally a good general, /sg/ turned to shut and /Sig/ gets removed by Jannie motherfuckers.
Lucas Campbell
Then get off the internet. YOU ARE the degeneracy. Hate is not constructive. Next question please.
Justin Scott
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Aiden Richardson
>francoist scum I’ve always been taught that Franco was fascist, if he wasn’t then what was he and how is that different?
Isaiah Martin
>"how do you do fellow fascists? I can use echos too" "Free speech" is a fake ideal. Every political system always represses people whose ideas ar incompatible with the current system. However, the diffrence is, that there's nothing wrong with political repressions against liberals and Marxists, since their ideas are completely unnatural and poisonous, while Fascist ideals are true and ultimately, good.
Gabriel Gonzalez
Franco was really just an opportunist/Right-Wing Authoritarian. Of course, I still respect him for destroying the red trash in Spain. The main Spanish fascist is Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
Jayden Rogers
Maghreboi?
Jonathan Collins
FUCK JANNIES
Charles Barnes
Stop saying "next question" you utter faggot
Samuel Sanders
get back to steam NOW
Oliver Hughes
Rivera would have been much better
Leo Martin
fuck vidya
Evan Barnes
Why is Freedom an inherent good? You can't just assume that.
Matthew Roberts
I like Jow Forums. We can talk. We don’t take advise from Islamists. We don’t take advise from Fascists. We don’t need blind faith as their is no future in blind faith.
Fascists can trust the rich if they want to. Fascists can even trust the Jew or Islam if they want to.
Must have freedom to TRUST NO ONE. Freedom is the greatest good, with mild limits as needed of course by elected officials.
Now please, less whining. Next. Next. next.
Alexander Campbell
>Freedom is the greatest good why?
Julian Wilson
REMINDER: Anyone advertizing the site 'Siege Culture' is a Satanist shill who is the opposite of a Fascist. They are homosexuals and deviants who manipulate and infiltrate 'extremist' groups, Islamist, Communist, Fascist, whatever. They emulate sociopaths and support an entirely egoistic worldview that is the antithesis of Fascism.
Atomwaffen was coopted and destroyed under them. Pic related is a quote from one of Atomwaffen's mandatory reads (that became mandatory after Satanists took over).
Yeah, Satanists are fucking niggers. The group you're talking about is O9A. I've talked to few of them, and to people who also have talked with them. They're terrible people, who are the opposites of fascist/NS worldview. Also, to every fascist/NS who's reading this, don't go to FascistForge, their mods support all this satanist shit openly.
David Jenkins
For the freedom to choose ‘why not’, of course. Fascism works for bees and ants, and frogs (!). Not for thinking men which we are.
If you made me your fascist leader, I would deny it because letting children find there own way (with guidance) is love. The path that works because it is genuine. Harder but better.
Easton Bell
Your interpretaion of freedom is rooted in the liberal worldview. Read works by Traditionalists, like Evola, or this essay on fascist philoshopy first.
This, I read some of it and it is degenerate as fuck. The book worships murder and voilence, it is nothing about raising our people up. There will be both in the future but it isn't the end goal of our ideology.
