So even if we dump untold numbers of money into building a "wall", how is that actually going to stop people from getting into the country, exactly?
I understand the logic behind it, but it's not very well-thought out logic. Say we build this wall with Mexico, all along our border... So what? We have entire states who do not give a fat nor a little shit about what President Trump says and are retroactively insubordinate at every opportunity. What am I getting at? You'll see in a moment.
I'd like to draw your attention to the "refugee" crisis of Europe; many of these "refugees" are being brought in by boat. Europe could build a wall with the middle east and it would not make much of a difference. Similarly I would like to turn your attentions to how many other foreigners migrate illegally into western countries: by boat.
That in mind, I would again like to point out that states like California are actively ignoring the Federal Government in its current form, what makes you think they'll stop taking in Mexicans and other Central/South American illegals by boat?
The wall would objectively solve nothing while digging us further into debt.
It is to slow mexicans from stealing our stuff. They steal cars, trucks tractors and equipment. The #1 income to Mexico is theft of US goods.
Nicholas Wood
They'll just steal it by boat instead.
Michael Myers
>>The wall would objectively solve nothing while digging us further into debt. >But it would stop SOME of them! Brainlet trump loyalist logic.
Camden Ramirez
The wall is to stop child and human trafficking.
Justin Bailey
Gunboats. /Thread
Carson Jones
So they'll just traffic by boat and by air.
Unless you plan to drop a dome over the entire United States, how do you plan on stopping anyone or anything, or even slowing it down?
Even if you slow it down, the effect will be temporary until they establish alternative routes.
Sebastian Hernandez
They have guns too. /unthread
Cooper Mitchell
So now you're going to further harm our economy by stopping every ship via military intervention?
You can't have it both ways.
Joseph Walker
>They'll just steal it by boat instead. Weren't you biching about logic?
Zachary Hall
Ok Moishe, then explain why the wall works so well for Israel?
Leo Brooks
>illogical Explain.
Sebastian Morris
What's illogical about it, friend? Drugs, humans, guns, anything illegal can and is brought in by boat.
Eli Jones
>not very well-thought out ...the hallmark of a political decision.
Connor Cruz
Maybe because Israel has to watch over a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the length of border that the U.S. does?
Levi King
Do you lock your doors at night? Can someone kick them in? Why lock them?
Dylan Moore
makes it harder and its less than what we give Israel and Iraq in a year.
Hunter Evans
Also while being comletely surrounded by nations that want to wipe them off the planet very badly.
Sebastian Hernandez
This is a logical fallacy friend.
Tyler White
Just like the U.S.
Colton Ward
>b-but it's still important!!! LMAO y'all already lost the argument this quickly
Kevin Diaz
You can't see a difference between taking a boat from Mexico and driving across the border?
Mason Clark
>Your fallacy is "slippery slope." >You said that if A happens, then Z will happen, therefore A should not happen
Robert Long
If only there was this federal branch of the military that guarded the coast, perhaps a Coast Guard!
Jaxson Phillips
Wouldn't it be more difficult?
Bentley Rodriguez
You do?
Jayden Scott
It's called a Coast guard you retard
Joshua Turner
To you, maybe. To them, what's the difference? Their whole life is difficult. You don't know shit, bumpkin. You've lived an incredibly privileged, sheltered life.
Nathaniel White
No its not. It is precisely the same logic
Josiah Brooks
Yes, Canada and the oceans want to destroy us. And Mexico, despite taking advantage of us, is a military ally for the most part. Fuck off retard.
Aaron Baker
Stop pointing out the obvious answer dude you are ruining this retards brilliant shit thread and all of the retard posters.
Josiah Reed
Right, because this is totally a world in which we always magically have just enough people to do the thing exactly the way that you think it should be done.
Nolan Campbell
The argument that a wall will impede illegal activity entering our country. Not even an argument. Its a fact
Oliver Walker
Most likely not. Human trafficking operations would simply adjust their tactics. Even if you were to establish blockades, you couldn't blockade the entire west coast, nor the entire west coast of canada. There's also the entire gulf of mexico you'd have to worry about. The elephant in the room that everybody seems to consistently ignore is that it is not logistically or economically feasible to guard that much territory.
Leo Mitchell
We don't need them. They need us.
Andrew Perry
Taking the statement way, way too literally. You don't have to be landlocked to be "surrounded by countries that want to wipe you off the map." Fucking retard.
Eli Richardson
It's true, walls are useless unless you're willing to shoot them
They will dig up tunnels or climb over them. You are too cucked and don't have a blood&soil identity to pull this off. Stop trying, let them all in and collapse your country
Camden Lewis
No more bulk drug shipment drive-bys and that's one of the biggest issues of border security.
Easton Scott
And then alternatives will arise.
The drug war always finds a way.
Colton Diaz
Sage and kys for not knowing how walls work. If you are serious look up Great Wall of China vs Mongols.
Adam Howard
Yeah, and prohibition will impede people from drinking illegal alcohol. Not even an argument. Its a fact.
Evan Scott
No. My point is a wall may not stop everything, but it is an effective protective measure/deterrent.
Adam Gray
No, it is an actual logical fallacy. You are trying to compare things which are unrelated in an apparent attempt at an argument.
That's a logical fallacy.
You should really keep the name calling to yourself friendo, especially since you seem to be of the opinion that the coast guard is going to be able to consistently defend nearly a hundred thousand miles of coastline.
lol
Xavier Young
So hot war with Mexican dinghys? Great. Rekt threads will be excellent!
>Implying we'll stop all the ships Tacos on boats can be stopped with gunfire. Shipping companies found to be smuggling people get their right of entry revoked for 5 years.
Benjamin Reyes
What is the Coast Guard
Christian Howard
Being that I live on the coast as well as near the border, yes.
Jaxson Perez
They'll just concentrate the drug even further, package it in smaller amounts, and find new ways to smuggle it.
You won't win this fight if you keep trying to attack it from the supply side without first decreasing the demand.
Wyatt Perry
Here comes the ad hom
Angel Diaz
If you really want to treat illegals like alcohol we should tax the shit out of them and only let them be allowed in certain establishments
Lucas Hall
Again, this is not logistically possible.
Camden Perry
>how is that actually going to stop people from getting into the country, exactly? Mexican peasants can just buy airplane tickets and fly in like regular people. I mean what is their fascination with running across like a bunch of plebs. Really?
Zachary Roberts
Once the walls in place and border security's job of securing it is made easier then we start cracking down of visa overstays. Then we increasing ICEs efforts on finding violent illegals and shipping them on the first flight back to wherever they came from. I want at least 1 million illegals deported by the end of Trump's first term.
Lincoln Thomas
Grow some skin if you're so easily offended. Look, we get that you're a fucking retard, you don't have to keep proving it to us.
Samuel Richardson
He's right guys. Let's pack it up and do nothing.
Let's do what the democrats want and completely open the border. Anyone who wants citizenship gets it. Why? Because they will get in anyways and get it.
As for this user. you are going to die someday. Why not do it today. What difference does it make if you struggle to live one more day being a pathetic shill and just going into your medicine cabinet and taking the whole bottle of tylenol. I know you are in pain. You must be do be this weak this pathetic of a human being. IT will make all the pain go away.
Chase Lewis
Nothing can stop determined criminals. A wall is effective at impeding them. That's good enough for me. It allows assets to be deployed in other areas.
Noah Rogers
Fuck you, build the wall.
Ethan Gutierrez
>Once the walls in place Until people start digging under it/climbing over it/blowing holes through it. You're going to require *more* manpower for the wall, not less.
Isaiah Hill
So did you just stop reading at that one particular line? Did you even finish reading the entire OP post before making this statement?
How do you people manage to breathe?
Nolan Kelly
>border Why would they not already have it as concentrated as possible and be smuggling it in those ways already? You're basically saying that removing the stairs of a building wouldn't matter since people can take the elevator, even though the stairs being gone would make things much slower since an elevator can only hold so many people.
Adrian Walker
You’re the one comparing a bunch of greasy beaners to tequila and the early 20th century
>It allows assets to be deployed in other areas. At which point the criminals will focus all of their attention on the now unguarded wall. Does the word "hubris" mean anything to you?
Jacob Baker
you are right. All drug dealers should be executed and druggies rounded up into work camps.
Carter Reyes
That's more jobs for americans on the border. Surely border patrol is able to detect when massive tunneling is being done.
Brayden Gonzalez
Yeah, but tunnels and teleportation. Checkmate, shitlord.
Levi Gonzalez
B-But Palestine i-isn’t Mexico
Zachary Morris
>and dig us further into debt The actual cost is irrelevant, as we've already sunk far more into housing and feeding the illegals and their children for decades.
And yes, the Wall doesn't solve all the problems, but it's a symbolic victory as much as an actual deterrent. The majority of people in this nation want to secure our borders, and cut off mooching illegals and deport them. The problem is they're a silent majority, because the (((media))) declares any opposition to Open Borders(tm) to be racist.
People need to see that it's okay to want secure borders and to rid the US of criminals. That's how we win: people realizing they have the right to be heard.
Xavier Ramirez
Not only is access by sea better guarded than access by land, it substantially raises the cost of entering illegally.
Also, you are a dumb faggot
John Rivera
>Unguarded wall You’re a special kind of shill
Jeremiah Thomas
Prohinlbitin is more akin to our current immigration policies. Think more like a physical barrier. Like when they built a fence around the white house. People still scale it, but it quite effective.
Oliver Richardson
Fuck you, spics are walking in.
John Howard
INCORRECT*
We have a military branch called the Coast Gaurd that by law stops and returns boats from wherever they came from. Particularly active in the Caribbean. Largely presumed to be criminals and smugglers, so if you dont stop, they have authority to shoot to kill.
Isaiah Richardson
the wall is a symbol like batman
Blake Lee
>Why would they not already have it as concentrated as possible and be smuggling it in those ways already? Because it's less profitable to do so when there are easier ways to do it. Why would you purposefully do anything in the most complicated fashion possible if you didn't have to?
Brandon Adams
>it works so briefly as to not justify the expense Retard.
Angel Miller
No. They are directly related. Keeping unauthorized people out. Couldn't be more directly related.
Justin Price
>symbolic victory So this is the best you can grasp for? Symbolism? Because you've proven incapable of doing anything more than that.
Grayson Sanchez
Not offended. Its a sign that your argument cannot stand on its own merits
Camden Gonzalez
No. Its a legitamate obstacel to prevent entry and settlement in the United States. Can be a minefield, moat, fire filled trench, de militarized zone policed by US ARMY.
STEP ONE: PREVENT ENTRY AND SETTLEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES
Nathan Clark
Vastly oversimplified and your argument is still invalid.
Ryder Peterson
>your argument cannot stand on its own merits Your argument cannot stand, merit or no merit.
Dominic Jones
>People need to see that it's okay to want secure borders literally one of the reasons I want the PHYSICAL wall to go up. The democrats understand the power of optics(yes I know oy vey). The conversations goes from, you can't just deport people that's racist to come on you can't just deport 25 million illegal people how are you going to do it to finally, wtf A deportation force!!!!!???
Jace Jones
Are you Jewish?
Asher Bell
Do you legitimately believe that the coast guard can effectively stop the flow of illegals once they move from land travel to sea travel knowing that the entire west coast is more or less a sanctuary zone for illegals? Knowing that they still have a pretty easy time with the swamp states because of the ease of sneaking drugs in via the maze-like rivers and swamps?
Luis Evans
Are you?
Jonathan Diaz
They are not "directly" related at all.
Luke Bailey
Answer me first
Thomas Wilson
So your saying we are limiting the areas that criminals can effectively operate. See, I knew we actually agreed on this.
Noah Gutierrez
I just realized there's only 26 people in this thread. Come on this discussion does no good with a handful of us talking amongst ourselves. Bump
