Be me

Varro did his best at Cannae too

Theology wasn't specific. Southern Baptist then Presbyterian. Parents didn't care as long as I didn't do icky sex stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I was later exposed to extremes of degeneracy I hate far more. At least my parents thought they were doing what's right, however misguided.

>Do we forgive those (e.g., mom) who are not contrite? God certainly doesn't
Yours and God's forgiveness aren't mutually exclusive

that was never my claim. my claim was the OPPOSITE. If God doesn't forigve those who don't repent, neither should we.

Thanks for the answer.
I agree with Godspeed to you user, I wish you and your parents could reconcile

I think you may understand your mom's parenting when you have kids. I had a similar experience where drugs, sex, sinful living was taboo to even discuss. Needless to say the world kicked my ass pretty good but I eventually came out of it a better man. Fast forward having kids, I get where my mom was coming from. I have vowed to not shelter my kids and to allow natural consequence play its role in their development. But, user, it is hard to watch a child so innocent playing and laughing in the world. We know how dark the world is, and here in front of me is the most innocent creature's who are unknowingly living in a terrible world full of sin, danger, hatred, etc. As a parent it is my duty to understand that in time they will grow and I will not be able to protect them, nor should I. My job is to raise them in a way that they can look the darkness in the eyes and say, "I will choose good". Similar to teaching a man to fish vs giving him fish. We emphasize that we are in this world and not of it.
TLDR: Your mom loved you to a fault and you should consider yourself blessed to have someone other than God love you so much. It's up to you to choose your path and this is the path God laid in front of you, not your mother. Nothing happens in this world by accident, now it it up to you to decide where you will go from here.

My mum was them same, until my brother and I got ourselves kicked out of sunday school for making satanic, blood-soaked koalas with crazy eyes in paper arts and crafts. We showed the other kids and everyone was laughing. After getting sent out to hang with the adults we kept shaking them around at each other and laughing until we were kicked out of the sermon entirely.
Me mum was so embarrased she stopped going. Turns out she only kept up an act because she thought she needed to raise us with puritan values.

I had an inverse experience. My mother decided that it was best to allow me to "make my own opinions" on matters. She tried to be as secular as possible so that I could explore things on my own. What this meant was that I spent the majority of my childhood deep in the clutches of degeneracy. I was morbidly obese by 13. I masturbated some times over 8 times, progressing through the pathway of self-destruction one must necessarily walk when they are so beholden to the flesh. My sexuality was scarred, leaving me with sickening desires for everything from hentai rape to mlp porn. Everything became permissible to me as my mind was swamped in nihilism and confusion.
I would trade anything to have a clean slate, to be able to look back on a strict but true childhood rather than the filth I have as contextual background for my life. I don't mean to discount your pain at all, only to give some context. You are among the lucky few equipped in childhood with a foundation from which you can be a good person. That is at least one gift you cannot deny, and if that is the only good to come from your childhood then you should feel thankful for that all the more. There was no light in my childhood that I can look back upon with warmth, I was not prepared for the struggle of climbing out of a pit I didn't even know I was falling into due to my parent's lack of influence on my development in this sickened world. You have at least one gift you can look back on as a light in the darkness of your past. Let that light shine as brightly as is necessary for you to see the love your parents put into raising you the way they did. They thought they were doing right by you, and even though they may have failed in many aspects, at least they didn't fail completely through neglect. Let it go, reconcile. Better a family in love and God than no family in spite and suffering.

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Your consciousness is probably not ready to accept this but, if you have to dial out any part of the religion and culture - then the whole thing isn't worth keeping. It still leads you to a path of destruction, and the only RNG multiplier keeping you from it is your own interpretation. If ANYTHING about Christianity, more specifically its implication that there's cosmic justice, was true then pedophiles and heartless sociopaths wouldn't actually rule the world.

The real answer to greater things is an amalgamation of eastern religions and a PERSONAL one. Destiny is not coming to you no matter what you do - you have to take action in this world to get what you want - but without hurting others.

You misunderstand friend. We do not exist in a world of justice, we are a fallen creature as necessitated by our free will. There is cosmic justice in the form of the reckoning of souls upon the end of this experience. Those who practice wickedness in this life have gotten their rewards in this life. Those who practice morality through servitude to the most high will receive their reward in the transcendence of death.
No where is it written that the wicked in this life will get their due in this life. Their reward is inward destruction. The crippling of the soul and the subsequent denial of escape from this purgatory are the rewards they deserve and will receive.

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Mate. Unless something else was going on you don’t have anything too serious to complain about. My dad just died on Christmas Eve. He was a tyrant. A truely horrible bastard. I used to get lashed with a switch for example, green flexible branches from freshly planted trees. They cut and leave scars. You weren’t the only one who was not prepared for the world. Most of us are left with the TV to do that for us.
Obviously you forgive them unless you’re perfect and fulfil all possible obligations to all people at all times. Let it go and it’s over. It’s totally better than holding a huffy grudge, think about what you want to achieve. Either move on and have better times with your family or have a huff, get hung up on the past and get no family life.
Sup to you. I know which is the best choice, the obvious one.

Puritanism works in closed Puritan communities.
Thing is, the Jews defeated the Catholics in the obscenity lawsuits and other culture war operations in the 1960s and 1970s.
So, today's Puritans are easy meat for the sinful sharks who are allowed to swim unchecked through their midst.

I can relate.
> Receive religious guidebooks about how not to date as a teenager, from mom
> Barred from dating
> Get emotionally obliterated by cheating non-white GF in (((college)))
> Eventually learn how things are

I've always hid my powerlevel since they're not ready to make the connection between the power structure of today and the obliteration of our culture. They already think I'm some sort of racist (like that's a bad thing).

Anyway, today's laws concerning sex have freed women to get sexually used up outside of marriage instead of having kids. This is an extinction-event-level disaster that will cause those unable to adapt to die childless.

There's a Heartise article that's something like "alpha fucks, beta bucks, child cucks" meaning moms need at least one son to go full cuck to take care of her in old age.

>that flag
>morbidly obese by 13
>sickening desires for everything from hentai rape to mlp porn
Checks out.

My knowledge of ethics and economics came after I grew enough to struggle out of the pits of nihilism and neglect. I haven't been that child for a long time now.

>should I forgive my parents for doing a shitty job
Always, yes. Being angry because your parents weren't adequate in your eyes is just going to lead to neurosis of the soul in you. Forgive and move on, no one has perfect parents, they did what they thought was right. Forgive them for your sake.

You forgive them because they know not what they do, but that doesn’t mean that you have to continue to associate with them. I imagine the proper response to the mother situation would be to create some distance, then in each altercation that arises thereafter attempt to alter her malicious perception.

my brother and I were extremely obedient--complete opposite of you guys. he never drank alcohol or did drugs and I only did a tiny bit when I went to college. I'm the one who didn't kill myself, go figure.

>The real answer to greater things is an amalgamation of eastern religions and a PERSONAL one. Destiny is not coming to you no matter what you do - you have to take action in this world to get what you want - but without hurting others.
Where I make moral failures I'm contrite. If someone points out to me I've failed morally, I'm sincerely repentant. If you don't acknowledge your failure, or are passive aggressive about it, how am I supposed to forgive you?

"Forgive me of my sins, as I forgive those who sin against me."

Of course you should forgive them.

Read that article, and several of Heartiste's. Sad reality of our modern age.

unironically give molymeme a call

I had the same type of upbringing and greatly resent my parents for it. I got shamed for normal things during puberty like looking at an attractive woman or even being suspected of talking to girls.

It fucked my ability to communicate romantically with women.

Your parents are not at fault, they raised you how Whites have been raising their kids for eons.
The problem was the world outside of your home, it began to turn into a degenerate sinful world, and in your home you guys still kept your innocence and purity.
Exposing you to the outside fucked up world is what happened.
This all has to do with Cultural Marxism and Shitskins ruining our Western Christian Nations.

My neuroses all arose prior to acknowledgement of the existence of objective moral values and duties back when I didn't need to forgive them because there was nothing to forgive them for. Now I realize they've wronged me, I'd forgive my Dad because he's sincerely sorry. But my Mom is still the same smarmy cunt. I don't see how this relationship edifies either of us except her insecurity as a failed mother of her other two children.

Hmm interesting perspective. I'll mull this over, thanks.

Oops, I meant to respond to:
In particular,
>Obviously you forgive them unless you’re perfect and fulfil all possible obligations to all people at all times.

In the context of the rest of scripture, this forgiveness is dependent upon the forgiven being contrite. You're not supposed to forgive those who don't acknowledge what they did was wrong.

Dude you parents sucked, but here is e thing ALL parents suck. No matter what parents are out of touch. When you are a parent you will be too. It's just a shitty part of life. I blame the Jews lol

Daily reminder that Desmond's LGBTQP (emphasis on P) sodomizers are heroic and "so brave/progressive/tolerant" but you're supposed to be shamed for watching Pokemon at 9 years of age when you weren't so much as aware of the difference between male and female genitalia.

No wonder my brother killed himself.

theamericanconservative.com/dreher/desmond-is-amazing-michael-alig-murderer/

Well, the Puritans were Judiazers so that's probably the problem here.

Living a traditional life is LARPing if the society doesnt enforce it. The world just eats them up.

Your mom was right about misty, desu.

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you know it's fortunate I don't have a misty fetish

children will deny the parents to affirm themselves

so children growing up in right wing families will become left wing

children growing up in left wing families will become right wing

however if a child is very attached to his mom he will resemble his mom, that's why jews consider jewish only those born from jewish mothers

You should definitely forgive them. Often, it's a result of the way they were raised. But yeah, the protectionist, legalistic style can be very damaging.

Actually was just having this conversation with my father over some cold ones with our pastor who's leaving. My grandfather was extremely legalistic, totally abhorred alcohol, etc. My dad, predictably, went off the rails when he became an adult, joined the Marines, almost died from alcohol poisoning, which scared him straight.

You have to let your kids learn about the awful world we live in, little by little. Don't be legalistic or oppressive, or they'll head right for all you kept from them. It's human nature.

My bro just passed the same way .. You sound like me man im just trying to make there golden years good b.c the got no happy memories when we were kids

My dad told me to fuck many bitches before I settle. He told me to go out in parties and be the alpha male. He told me to play sports and go to the gym. He told me to go travel to see how shit the rest of the world is.

rate my dad

Yeah you should forgive them so you can move the fuck on with your life. No point holding a grudge unless you plan to act on it. Once you forgive them you can treat them as a chess piece within the framework of your life and play it however you see fit. What's the difference between holding against them now or against them when they're dead? It's equally useless in both cases, just slows you down.

It's a problem all parents face
Raise your children to be good people
Or
Raise your children in this fallen world

It's not easy and I guess your parents fucked up

Many moms are the same, cannot take criticism without getting passive-aggressive/guilt tripping.

How did you turn out? Those are all proto chad things but having an introvert emulate Bill Clinton is hardly the best. All that shit can just hollow you out eventually.

The see how shit the world is is universally good advice though.

1st child here, sheltered as fuck until I got out on my own at 18. Almost 30 now, kissless virgin who has no idea how to talk to women, obese and lazy because my hobbies are all things that can be done sitting inside a house where I'm safe, because that's what I was allowed to do.
2nd child was a girl, life on easy mode no matter how socially stunted, because vagina.
3rd child has a legit learning disability and is gonna be living at home forever.
4th child is basically my clone, but by the time he came, my parents didn't give a fuck anymore and let him have a normal childhood. He's as smart as me but got into athletic activities because he wasn't locked in the house, and he's now fit and popular with a based and redpilled German GF, and doing more with his life at 19 than I am right now.

Also, mothers can't be reasoned with so don't try. All they listen to is emotions.

Why blame your parents for everything?

You all had choices to make.

I get what you are saying, my mum was super strict with me, then at 16 she and my sister were pushing me to be sexually active.

I was super niave.

But knowing children, who are warned about drugs and sex don't seem to do any better.

There are other people influencing our young lives.

>Be middle of three boys
>Live in deep south
>Father walks in on my older brother molesting my younger brother
>Father flips the fuck out, beats my older brother so hard he suffers brain damage
>Brother goes into a home, father arrested
>Mother remarries a crazy evangelical guy
>He looks down on me and my brother,associates us with faggotry (my brother was like seven when it happened)
>Now out of the house, try and visit him more and more
>Parents (including the mother) treat him like shit more and more
Yeah more religion isn't always the answer. Always make sure to show them the outside world and let them know that you can go wrong or else they will find out for themselves and resent you for completely sheltering them.

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Interestingly a study (more like survey actually) done by a Catholic found out that children who retain their faith into adulthood are because their parents would talk to them and basically if a kid asked why is x happening (gays,scandals,etc) basically if you can communicate with your kid they will almost always turn out relatively stable

Now I come from a family where you know basically our parents let the rest of the world (schools) "educate" us and really I've never even so much as had an actual conversation with my Dad. My brother was in a gang and did lots of cocaine, sister attempted suicide many times and I'm trying to kick heroin addiction. Now I'm not blaming my parents but I can't help but feel there's a connection there but ultimately I'm responsible for my actions

Basically be a strong father

Though hell is real, we do not know the mind of God or His judgments. Thinking that your mother is not forgiven is an indication of your own feelings, and you should be wary of such prideful judgments of your mother. No parent is perfect, but while she is alive you can still dialogue with her. I wish I had that privilege.
Seek first the kingdom, brother

Forgive them and move on with your life. All our parents are fucked in the head because they've all drank fluoride and ingested nothing but brainwashing from the idiot box their whole life.

>Should I forgive them when their parenting (Mom's in particular) was so extreme?

you will eventually, so you might as well do it now. 10% of the population had parents that weren't delusional assholes doing a horrible job of parenting. It works that way by design. Don't hate the [player, hate the game.

You forgive them even if they don't deserve it. It doesn't mean you stay being their doormat. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us!"

You just say "Jesus, I forgive those who have harmed me. Please take the bitterness and anger I have and help me to get on with my life."

It is very simple. God has helped me overcome a lot of things. So forgiving them will help you as well. Give it to God. Good luck and God Bless!

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Agree, but consider that only God get's the right to judge. And I don't mean that how liberals say "don't judge me" I mean that it is up to God to weight up whether the heart is repentant. Many people have especially devout views which may cause problems, but ultimately aren't wrong, just misguided. I think such people have a good chance of getting to heaven despite their radical devotion.

Sorry for the memeflag, I'm rather in an odd place in the world right now.

The fact they brought you into existence weighs much more heavily on the scales than any mess up they did, so I don't think you are in a position to even be able to forgive them because there is nothing you can hold against the people who you owe your existence to. You are lucky you were not aborted or cummed on a tissue and thrown away.

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By your logic, niggers with 40 bastard kids are good people who deserve respect simply by virtue of creating life. Shut the fuck up.

>mom wouldn't let me and bro do pokemon because misty was too slutty
she was right

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Their parenting, being extreme and well intentioned, was likely based on what information they had at the time, and then perhaps the uncertainty of a stiff course change late in the game with an even worse outcome for you

You have to be forgiving that you're biased by your information-saturation.. the earlier generations were vastly less informed, by important aggregated info especially- where once you'd have to read entire books to find the single important snippet, now it's a regular course of events without a second thought that you move on from.

Rather, try asking them if they'd of done things differently had they known the future? I'm sure they'll be telling you the truth when they say that they would