Libertarians aren't Base-

Shoo shoo jew jew.

Name is NyanNyanCosplay on TikTok app- which you should download.

Keep fantasying about shemales all you like...but don't proceed to blame Jews for you fapping to guys in dresses.

Angels don't have dicks.
Why help the Jew push this degeneracy?

BEGONE KIKE!

>QUOTING AYN RAND
>EVER
>JEW

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It's a chick

>libertarians said cool stuff sometimes

Worship the free market, goy.

tl;dr

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pol will see this and STILL claim no penis
Honestly, pol fails because ity can't tell man from woman

Ayn Rand ahead of the meme curve using the NPC meme

I agree with these quotes of course, and know of them already. But the way that libertarianism causes degeneracy is through the way it gives freedom to the woman. Now, I'm not saying that our democracy has not done the same, but you must compare this with what guys on Jow Forums want, which are going to be things that take power away from women.

The ideal society would be libertarian for men, but not giving those rights to women. But you should always tread carefully, as those that would exploit lurk around every corner always.

>Ayn Rand ahead of the meme curve using the NPC meme
Yes- I actually substituted "responsbility of conscioussness" with "NPCs" before- which I should do again- as the last few words are meaningless to most.

>I agree with these quotes of course, and know of them already. But the way that libertarianism causes degeneracy is through the way it gives freedom to the woman.

The problem is not that women have rights, (well, partially it is), but rather than men give women wealth (through taxes) without DEMANDING they first forfeit their rights to men- women have the profit. And what makes me sick is that in Jow Forumslibertarian, they say that White men are inferior as chosen by women- but they don't mention that men give up their wealth for no reason..

Right, you are basically asking for a middle ground option option. But, do you not think that feminism could eventually rise again if we allow some leniency in rights? Also, you need to explain exactly what is taken away and kept for your argument to me. For me it is simple, take them all away... I do not need to explain. Another reason I believe it's necessary is Islam, of course. They take it about as extreme as it gets - probably for a reason, no?

Ayn Rand wasn't much of a fan of libertarianism. Though there is some overlap between objectivism and libertarianism, Rand didn't like degeneracy (however she did like cucking her husband) which is core to libertarian values.

>take them all away
What I advocate is keeping costs / benefits localized- preferable to the individual- such means that every action is profitable.

I'm all for the subjection of women (Fuck your JS Mills!): women don't create, only take- so why would you have a pillager (women) be a decision maker in an industriious society?..

>degeneracy, Rand with Branden
While Rand's husband was cucked, cucked is only bad if you give up a larger value for a lesser one- and so long as he valued his marriage over Rand's cunt, then he was not degenerate.

That said, I think her fucking Branden was silly- Branden is a far better advocate than mental midgets Peikoff.

Based opinion, kike. Still it is not redeeming enough to keep you out of the chamber since you are just as women create nothing.. Well actually women at least create people, given they are white. So don't try to cover under based opinions you fucking jidf faggot. There is nothing for you in the future except death.

Jews will always exist- just accept it.

this faggot needs to have his fucking skull caved in

Still pretty vague. You basically want to remove the federal government, which is again very agreeable but, what exactly will you take from women?

Women don't need to be taken from- they have nothing, and are capable of generating nothing.

No you will not. You have been created temporarily. Not too long ago. Just the same you will be eleminated soon. It's ironic how you don't understand that elemination of kikes is the first step to healthy society. It's you who can't accept your own purpose, always trying to chameleon your way under the cover of somebody else. The thing is that those who created you, they don't need you anymore. You have served your purpose and are going to be eliminated quite soon. It's obvious. How the fuck you don't see it? If you want the society to get better then you should welcome the death of your kind, because you are parasites and you know it.

I don't mean to be pestering you, but I'm talking about rights, here. I'm talking about transitioning what we are to what we should be. And in this case, I'm talking about what we should do for the United States. What rights do we take from women? Or are you not really concerned with what other men do with their wives? Do you think everything would work itself out just becoming libertarian?

Love triangles featured in several of her works. Think she used them to help justify doing it in her personal life. Regardless of if her husband was on board or not, open marriage is degenerate.

If you don't give women wealth, they will trade their rights. It's not something you need to force- which I'm not sure you could without alienating them

I want to make sweet love to that trap ass

If you observe that costs increase as productivity does- and that men's productivity is far more than women's- then you'll see that women cannot afford to survive without men's control- who can say to women: forfeit rights or die hungry.

Based jew

I can agree that it's degenerate.
But in her works, I believe the love triangles are meant to show that virtue is a currency as well- and the man with the most virtue (productivity) gets the best woman.

wearing a wig =/= being transvestite you fucking leaf

No I get your point, believe me. I just think that white men will give in at some point unless you instill a more extreme system and constantly remind them of what will happen. In my opinion, this is how it started in the first place. White men are particularly benevolent.

And again, "forfeit rights or die hungry," heh, white men will NOT do this.

You're living in a historical anomaly. The majority of history did not have this level of female empowerement, in Europe or anywhere else.

I agree that men will still give women too much power, but I'm unsure that a system could be enforced- that would do more good than harm- I think the culture must enforce it.

They generate people you demagogue btainlet. Ironically it's the kikes who fuck with feeble female consciousness to make them crazy. The problem here are kikes. It's all very simple and there's no need for demagoguery. You as always are trying to shift the blame from kikes to somebody else. Kikes are the virus. Everything else is just a symptom of your destructive behavior. Thus - death for all of you is the only reasonable solution for curing the society. Don't even try to bullshit your way out of this simple truth

Burger... as the country with the most cuck and blacked porn searches, don't consider America a standard for any normal behaviour.

You cannot meme a Jewish genocide into existence. Keep wasitng your energy

But I can explain the anomaly - technology. Women had no real choice before, as work was hard and for men, virtually of it. Think about it. As technology got better, a lot of jobs are much easier and thus, it became easier for women to desire to get their own money and become independent and live the life their genetics truly desires. Because of this, I do not think anything like European history will repeat itself in a natural way, do you follow? So it must be enforced...

... be it culturally or otherwise. That is my main question. Exactly how, and how much, do we take?

Traps like OP re only useful for target practice.

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>mentions Ayn Rand
Objectivists are considered a part of the libertarian movement but if you call an objectivist a libertarian, he'll kick yo ass!
>Mises said based things
Unless this is a purity contest, Mises doesn't represent all libertarians. Trust me, there are many fuck-ups who are blue-pilled.
>Hayek being critical of a DECAYING democracy
Hayek himself said that a liberal autocracy is a good choice when civil political discourse or respect for the rule of law doesn't exist.

>how do enforce men not giving an inch to women?
Can't say exactly. Not even sure this is topical to our day....look what women are doing...

Lol what a faggot. As always

>admits the hall of cost is a meme

It is how I spend most of my time, now adays. Thinking about this. I do not know if there's a better solution, but one that does work is taking rights away completely. Until someone has a better idea, or I come up with one on my own, it would have to do. But will people agree with me? Of course not. I will forever live with my thoughts in my own world, and alone. Something that seems so sinister on the surface, but is best for a functioning family. Sigh...

As soon as the gibs and free government jobs fall away, they will realize the benefits of marriage again. Just because they now have vacuum cleaners doesn't mean they wont still want status (including nice material things which they are not capable of obtaining by themselves).

Ayn Rand is a psychopathic kike.

So Ancapism is for you. No one gets any rights, apart from those given in a voluntary contract.

Kikes you will be dieing painful deaths. Don't even try to larp as if you don't fear the inevitable.

former libertarian here
>my country and other western nations have showed me libertarianism is bullshit
>these people violently riot against the nation that defends them and the economic system that houses and feeds them
>these people deserve no say

Mises is foundational for libertarian thought. You cannot reject mises and call yourself a libertarian / ancapitalist.

Ancap = max borders. Each decides who to admit to his land or business
Ancap = min degeneracy. Limitless degeneracy survives because of forced subsidies.
Ancap = max eugenics. May the best race thrive.
Ancap = min war. Wars are fought by the people but not for the people.

I can only hope you are right. I will continue to think about it.

Oh no no no, ancap is silly. I speak only of culture here. Tell me you're not ancap? I would only take the rights from away from women, I said so earlier and agree much more with libertarianism.

>>mentions Ayn Rand
>Objectivists are considered a part of the libertarian movement but if you call an objectivist a libertarian, he'll kick yo ass!
Most objectivists are confused- they, for whatever reason, seem dumber than the average libertarian...which is hard. Or maybe it's that they are smart enough to venture beyond lolbertarian, but don't have the intellect to make the full journey...

>>Mises said based things
>Unless this is a purity contest, Mises doesn't represent all libertarians. Trust me, there are many fuck-ups who are blue-pilled.
Most self-identified libertarians are those who believe they can avoid conflict (the goal) without respecting property rights (the means).

>>Hayek being critical of a DECAYING democracy
>Hayek himself said that a liberal autocracy is a good choice when civil political discourse or respect for the rule of law doesn't exist.
Hayek was for planning for competition more than competition for planning- for a nation of (universal) rules more than of rulers.

What the new libertarian gets wrong (IMO) is that collectives (countries) cannot own land. Even Hoppe advocates that the only valid land is virgin land..

That which can't continue (women's liberation), won't.

We will get our goal- women having the rights men allow them- what we won't have is countries as they stand today.

>>admits the hall of cost is a meme
We never made you believe it.

You'll have to go through this marine first, son.

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>As soon as the gibs and free government jobs fall away, they will realize the benefits of marriage again.
Yes, it's horrific how much women are paid to do nothing.

You can be a libertarian WHILE promoting and practicing fascism. Libertarian is the goal, fascism is the means.

How is form of government not part of culture?

>Mises is foundational for libertarian thought.

He has rights to be unsure of what libertarianism is- the American party is promoting the "non harm principle" (subjective) replacement for the NAP.

Two fags. One post.

libertarians are ped-
"yes, they are pedophiles"

Ah no, it is. I don't mean to say it's not. Everything is intertwined to some degree. Does my post not make sense unless I'm saying that government is not culture? Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying this conversation greatly. It's not often, even here, I get to speak at this level with people. I am thankful for you and the Jewbro in this thread.

Yes, surely they are all pedos.

>we need Jews
We need more of this!

Oh come on now, you're trying to Jew it up. We only need more people that think like us, not Jews specifically... sheesh.

Honestly, and I mean this, Americans can't do much without the Jews who facilitate it- Jews *made* America.
Is it simply coincidence that America flourished RIGHT AFTER the Fed was established?..

Also,
obligatory BASED BROWN AMERICANS!

How we govern ourselves is a major part of our culture, and it has strong effects on all other manifestations of our culture. Religion is a way of governing ourselves as well.
Basically anything that can grant rights or take them away has to do with government of some sort or another, doesn't really matter if a judicial or religious law is the mechanism or some sort of tradition, in the end it's about societies rules of interaction.

>Is it simply conicidence that America flourished RIGHT AFTER winning global domination and developing the nuclear bomb?
>Is it simply coincidence white brithrates started to decline RIGHT AFTER the Fed was established?
I don't know? Is it? :^)

Haha, women not long after that gained the ability to vote, work, etc! I have found another correlation! Surely this was the cause for our boom, not the Fed, no? No. Correlation is not causation. The real reason was technology, again. Henry Ford invented the assembly line, and our production outweighed the rest of the world's even with the drain that is the Federal Reserve. It needs to be dismantled immediately.

Right, I would have never disagreed with this, though. Did I say something that made you think I needed to be educated on this? Again I'm asking honestly. I don't know what I said to bring this on. I know you are of the opinion that a change in government could put women back in their place. I don't necessarily disagree... it's hard to envision, philosophically. Perhaps I am dumb, or perhaps you slightly misunderstood what I said before.

>Oh no, ancap is silly, I speak only of culture here.

Ooh, yes I'm typing my thoughts too quickly. I didn't mean to imply that changing to ancap wouldn't affect our culture, it most certainly would. I only really meant to say that up to that point I was ONLY speaking of culture. But you guys were trying to say that even just a change of government would change our problems and fix our culture, which is of course possible, I just didn't realize it yet.

Out of curiosity, are you a German in Germany? Are you ancap?

Germans aren't allowed to be ancaps

Well if you are talking about the form of government, you are talking about culture just as much as if you would be talking about food, language or religion, because culture encompasses all these things, just like it encompasses government. If I had started talking about religion, that would have been about culture too.
I'm a half and half balkan/german. I am an ethical ancapist and a practical authoritarian, in that I believe ancaps have the right ethics, but if it was applied in the real world, it would turn into some authoritarian (probably monarchic) system pretty quickly, because that is the most natural and stable form of how humans govern themselves.
How about you fuck off, mister?

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After the fed was established, the US plummeted into a commie shithole in less then 70 years. Even though industries were flourishing until early 80s only due to cultural momentum of the 19th century, while still the economy was still in the hands of american citizens who invested in the industry. But since the 80s the wellfair reforms and banking take over which funded the large corporations to illegally drive out american citizens out of business turning them into wage slaves, the USA basically is no different from any other commie shithole that is trying to cover the poverty behind the facades of grandeur infrastructure. If you travel to Midwest, you will not see the previously flourishing townships which are now head deep in debt, people working for shit wages, farming is monopolized and subsidized by feat currencies. And the metropolitan areas, agglomerations are hubs for niggers and communal compact housing, which is not much different from concentration camps.

And all of it is controlled simply by pitting artificially created social groups against each other by distributing the blame for economic fall on the majority of population which is white, while overlooking the cause of the problem which is the fedres and the powers behind it, which are obviously religious. And kikes are the primary agents of those powers. And since the whole system has exhausted itself, now the powers will shift to another system, with the current agents being executed for the sake of social stability. The other system will revoke the currency as primary medium of exchange and establish the virtual index system for crediting the productive activety. Meaning that there will be no more rates on loans and there will be nothing to loan except the time directly.

So the time will actually become the new means of exchange which will not require extra agency of subversive policies. Thus kikes will become obsolete, therefore genicided and cause public euphoria

Certainly, agree 100%.

In the same way that you think ancaps would turn in to authoritarians, I think that men would also just give rights back to women as soon as they forget why we took them away. I just do not think, that with how easy things will continue to be going forward (mostly because of technology), that men will ever keep women subjugated without extra reasoning (like say a magical sky wizard that will punish them for acting out what their genetics desires). Eventually, men will forget why we keep women without the same rights as men. The men of the future will give rights back, and things will end up this way again in a cycle.

This is of course until technology changes things yet again. When almost no work by humans is required at all, the natural pecking order is in huge disarray. When no one has reason for almost anything, nihilism will be all that's left most likely. I'm talking about a world so technologically advanced, that they are post-materialism, even post-vanity. How would attraction even work in such a scenario, where thoughts are disseminated and discussed at the speed of the electron? How do you tell anyone "no" to anything? How do you justify it? Life is a folly. We already have to TRY to be happy. Maybe we won't have the resources for it.

Sorry for changing the subject, I just kept typing.

One can only hope. Jews will not become obsolete though, they just won't have as much influence or material success.
Okay, the main thing about why gender relations in the West are so fucked is because the cards are stacked ridiculuously in women's favour. This is due to multiple reasons, women's rights being one of them, but also the welfare state and centralization of power in general.
If we look at different human cultures acrtoss time and space, it makes sense to classify cultures along a spectrum. One of these classification you can make is how men and women interact with each other, especially in relation to reproduction and rearing of offspring.
There is a model of looking at cultures throught the cad vs dad lens. In a cad society, men and women live separately and have their own spheres of communication and socialization , that will overlap every so often so they can reproduce. Long term monogamy is absent in these societies and monogam is relatively common. Men allocate most of their time and resources to themselves, women allocate most of their time and resources to themselves and their children, families have a matrilineal structure, and the father of the children is usually absent from their life.
In a dad society, men and women form monogamous relationships (usually long term), men invest a lot of their time and energy into their children and their wives. Polyamory is relatively rare in these societies.
Both of these are stable cultural systems we observe in many different human populations across the globe. It is worth nothing that dad societies are more typically found among agricultural societies and cad societies are more typically found with hunter-gatherers or non-intensive agricultural societies.
The situation we currently have in the west, gives the best of both worlds to women, and the worst of both worlds to men.

Like in a cad society, polyamory is becoming more the norm, while not going hand in hand with the more negative (for women) aspects of cad society. Namely, having to spend the majority of their time and material resources on their children, and not being able to rely on men for these things (because our social spheres are not separrated).
For men, this means they don't have the guarantee of reproducing (like in a cad society, they have to compete with other men to secure a mate, and there is no guarantee they will secure one at all), and at the same time, they also have to invest the majority of their time and resources to women.
So a part of this is due to womens rights (can get dicorced, earn their own money etc.) but a part of it is also due to the nanny-welfare state in general (gibs will take care of your children even if you dont have a man). It's also importasnt to note that men pay way more into thed nanny state than women, while women take out more, thus even if you don't ever reproduce as a man, you are still spending a significant amount of time and matrerial resources on women in the form of taxes.
So we can see that abolishing women's rights or the nanny state, would both tip the scales to more balance between the sexes, so if you think european men would never really take a womans rights away, it may just be enough that they take away the nanny state, and the rest will fall into place.

Here is an interesting blog post about human mating strategies in different societies:
the10000yearexplosion.com/human-cultural-diversity/

Modern lolberts hate Mises tho

>Jews will not become obsolete though
Well they're existentially connected to subversive agency. If there is no need for such agency then kikes are obsolete. Obviously some of the simply assimilate and stop calling ing themselves kikes, forgetting the concept of kikery in a few generations but most of them will have to be executed to give the public the relief and euphoric state to allow for least painful transition into the new system. It will be painful to give up monetary system, just as any drug. The animosity towards kikes was crested specifically to be the medium which is going to create enough public euphoria during the purge of kikes and parallel systemic transition.

Kikes don't understand this, since they are only mere tools with inflared egos. They can't see past their noses even when you show them the truth right inti their face. They are so dillusional to believe that they are special. It's just like with other social agency groups, like faggots and feminists. They are all dillusional. But fortunately for other groups they are not going to be eliminated. They still have their purpose.

Jews are just intelligent gypsies. Gypsies have been around forever too.
They will not become obsolete.

Well, you will see for yourself. There's really no need for a debate. All of it will happen within next couple of decades.

Like I said, one can only hope.

>>>her
Forgot your memeflag chaim

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Stop embarrassing us, you (((idiot))).

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