Redpill me on destruction of art

Schizo throwing paint.

Jews just can't into it. They hate what is beautiful and want to make everything poopy buttholes.

Also money laundering.

abstract expressionism was a literal postwar CIA run psyop pushed in its primary propaganda arms (Time/Life publishing)
The goal was to destroy beauty and meaning establishing American """cultural""" leadership in a post-culture consumerist world

classic art related the stories and concepts generated by people, and the public would respond with their own shared experiences. It creates a foundation of cultural identity.
modern art is meant to minimize the extent of human interaction. This prompts the public to relate with abstract concepts rather than a shared feeling of humanity.

It looks like the walls of my kindergarten library.

have you actually tried to find out what's it about?

Well yes but this train of thought would be true to anything, not only art. The most """woke""" observer can find beauty in anything, an art piece, a potato, or a road kill. In this train of thought, art is a useless step.

Yes, classical arts were often top content, in top form/technique. Modern art seems to be garbage content, in garbage form/technique.

>there are no d'medici's around to sponcer a artist.
Well there are folks who buy for tens/hundreds of millions paintings that look like vomit. Low key I think it's just money laundering or spooks bouncing funds to their agents. Regardless if that suspicion is true or not, that sets an artist for life where they can fully dedicate to art. And they still produce vomit on canvas.

But why is it in a gallery?

Fuck man. You just blew my mind.
You're absolutely right.
Digits at that.

>Art gallery “then”
What year do yo suppose the picture on the left was taken?

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This. It undermines the ability to idealize and romanticize concepts and events. It encourages open ended speculation about the art's "meaning", when it's all subjective.

it's a deconstruction of the things that people find beautiful or otherwise valueable in paintings and a deliberate attempt to subvert those values.
i didn't find value until seeing that painting in person, there's clearly a great deal of care put into texture, color palette and composition, even if it's nowhere near the effort that went into paintings of past eras.

Yes and I mostly call bullshit on that. Paintings, a visual art form, shouldn't require 'Here's a 20 pages explanation as to why a yellow triangle on the wall is actually so deep and full of insight.'. If all of the value is in the 'explanation', then the triangle on wall is meaningless and the explanation is the 'value'. That is if you buy into this, mostly bullshit, idea in the first place.

Classical art conveys meaning, emotion, purpose and its story within itself.
Modern art is a meaningless, emotionless non-story of self-insertion with a 5 hours explanation as to why it is how it is.

It's a difference between a carefully crafted and planned book which tells an interesting and well written story that would convey a deeper meaning to the reader, and a book with blank pages and an explanation that 'the author here represents the absence of blah blah blah, true genius, how did he do that, such amazing, many great, herp derp this is art now'.

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If i had taken some acid i would stare at that thing for hours

art from Classical era up through the 19th century
>make real on earth the image of the Divine, through art inspired by the touch of the Divine
Art after the communist revolutions
>deny the divine, question all meaning, deconstruct all higher ideals, dildo your anus

'Derp it was made centuries ago and it still exists, derp' - Thank you for your great insight into the subject matter user.

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>abstract expressionism was a literal postwar CIA run psyop pushed in its primary propaganda arms (Time/Life publishing)
>The goal was to destroy beauty and meaning establishing American """cultural""" leadership in a post-culture consumerist world

>classic art related the stories and concepts generated by people, and the public would respond with their own shared experiences. It creates a foundation of cultural identity.
>modern art is meant to minimize the extent of human interaction. This prompts the public to relate with abstract concepts rather than a shared feeling of humanity.

>It undermines the ability to idealize and romanticize concepts and events.

>art from Classical era up through the 19th century
>>make real on earth the image of the Divine, through art inspired by the touch of the Divine
>Art after the communist revolutions
>>deny the divine, question all meaning, deconstruct all higher ideals, dildo your anus

That's where my thoughts were going with this. An attempt to bastardize the 'modern citizens', de-humanize them and cut off the link to higher values of the past. Make art so shit they become actively uninterested in the topic, automatically thinking some vomit on canvas. Same as when they hear 'priest' they automatically think pedo with 10 kids locked up in his sex dungeon.

I get all that. But I still fail to see why they think it's one of their priorities. I could be wrong on this, but it seems they somehow view this as more important than we do. What do they know that we're missing here?

All that old art is just kitsch and shout nothing other than "look our glorious kings and Jesus".

I can imagine how fun it must be during monarchy, say something against the king and you're dead, say something against religion and your tongue is gone, do anything else than obeying and you are witch and must burn.

I'm not a fan of that degenerate or simply inferior garbage that Jews push, while using it as a money laundering scheme, but I'm happy that this Baroque shit died out.

That looks like the art at one of the Rothschild's houses.

medium.com/@MichaelMcBride/how-jackson-pollock-and-the-cia-teamed-up-to-win-the-cold-war-6734c40f5b14

independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

gizmodo.com/5686753/how-the-cia-spent-secret-millions-turning-modern-art-into-a-cold-war-arsenal

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careful with this redpill user

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Art is merely a manifestation of where society is at that moment. """Agendas"" that are tied to art, are merely vessels for a greater philosophical idea which has consumed the artist. Camile Paglia is pretty good on this subject concerning society generally moving through periods of the body and the mind. We are in the period of the mind where all we can do is deconstruct reality. That's the trend of western art where it used to be about physical beauty, and now is purely about """intellectual beauty""" aka the gymnastics of the mind. The irony of this though is that if you then deconstruct the gymnastics of the mind, you start asking what are we dancing around? Objective ideal that actually exists. I predict that Orthodox and Classical Art are the future.

rich people recycling money while avoiding taxes
same for """foundations""" and """"philanthropy""""

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Philanthropists

yeah. If you go to the museum all the time. These are novel. It was novel to see this in a museum. These people then tell their friends, "oh my, you simply must go see rothgo, so novel!" There is a limited visual spectrum and inherent limits on visual resolution in a 2d plane. Therefore to create a 'novel' combination of color and space you need to make it look like shit.

Modern art was an invention of the CIA during the Cold War, done in part as a way to elevate Western values of freedom of speech and expression. Selling modern art was also a great way to launder money.

Now that the Cold War is over and the Communists in the West have fully metastasized into full blown social cancer, Art is about elevating the ugly and the abhorent, about criticisizng the society that has cradled you from birth, and trying to be the most new and original thing to be marketed.

My cousin gets really pissed at modern art. But I don't know why. Because if you recognize it as being shit, don't visit art galleries. I guess his parent's are the gullible pretentious type and buy into the current paradigm, and he feels sorry for them. For me it's like - I recognize it as trash so I just won't support them. You can view great art at home on-demand. I wonder if there's really a significant difference in experience viewing good art at a good gallery. I went to a shit gallery during Film college, and it was really awkward walking around because the air space was dead quiet and the floor creaked. I was hyper aware of the people around me.

A lot of people are insecure when "they don't get it". When there's nothing to get.

A lot of modern art is literally a scam.

If you came into a lot of money tomorrow you could just get a friend of yours to throw shit on a canvas, buy it for 10 million and suddenly they are a talented artist worth millions deserving their art hung in galleries. Thats how it works.

Its simple communist tactic. Make everything depressing, remove anything that might inspire the people to become someone, and there you go. You now have a population that would do just about anything you told it.
One of the reasons why the commie blocks are so ugly, is to smash the human spirit and break you. Its mostly economics tho.

yep

You may be a pole, but your post is nothing but three reddit-spaced chunks of God's honest truth.

Isn't the one on the left in Russia? St. Petersburg?

It's not like they've stopped making visually pleasing pieces that require craftsmanship. Check out any concept art book. There is so much of it nobody even considers it art anymore. Painting and sculpting aren't limited to select few people these days, so the only way to stand out is doing something different. (((Contemporary art))) is bullshit, but its inflated out of the ass value by itself really makes you think.

Oy vey, so beautiful. Like granny porn.

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Not sure what you’re complaining about. It’s not like any of the art or galleries displaying the paintings on the left have gone anywhere. Or even that people have stoped painting realistically. They haven’t. As for the gallery on the right, who is making you look at art you don’t like? Or are you just angry it exists even if you aren’t personally consuming it?

To make the mediocre feel like they're not mediocre.

modern art is kemoshota doujins.
Prove me wrong.
It's simple, you can't.

I'd rather not be able to say anything against the king and Jesus than not being able to say anything against Jews, trannies, and niggers.

Marxists mindset and culture cannot abide success as it proves that everyone is not the same. And if everyone is not the same some ass hole can't do top down central management of everything. It's why they've been trying to push post mertitocratic.

The same as their destruction of statues and revising of history.

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Just compare now and than.

What'll really activate your almonds is when you realise that nowadays no artist ever criticises any other artist.

It's considered bad form to trash the other guy's "shop" as it were, even though many secretly think their fellow artists are producing pretty thin work of little importance. It's an unwritten rule.

Everybody keeps their moth shut, keeps collecting the shekels. It wasnt always this way, Wyndham Lewis devoted entire chapters in his books to shitting all over art of the day he thought was rubbish.

Now whether it WAS rubbish or not doesnt matter. What matters is you can never say these things today for (((some reason))).

>art expresses concepts and idea even abstract ones
>people need to work to figure out what the fuck you trying to do

So you admit its failure.

This.
(((Postmodernism))) seeks to destroy beauty and convince gullible goyim that ugly is beautiful.

And yes, lots and LOTS of laundering, tax evasion and loopholes.

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This, also jews are obsessed with geometry

Art is simply a reflection of the society in which it is created.

ONE ART TO RULE THEM ALL

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This is wrong because the future of humanity depends on the climate the youth grows in. If you're brought up surrounded by trash and conditioned to like trash, chances are, you will produce trash. Sure, it wouldn't matter if we weren't an interdependent collective, but we are, and locks and fences will only get you so far.

Money, of course.

Renaissance art took masters a huge amount of time, assistants, and expensive paints to create.

Modern art takes nothing.

Rich crooks figured out that they could take ugly crap and use it for tax evasion. For instance:

>You just sold a ton of something illegal
>You can't just put the money in your bank account because it will raise suspicion
>Instead you """sell""" a modern painting (that is worthless) for $10mil to your client
>You now have laundered that money
>Your client donates that ugly crap to a museum
>Because the market price of that piece is $10mil, he gets a $10mil tax writeoff

It wasn't inclusive enough, so they lowered the bar of technical skill so not as many "budding artists" weren't excluded by the Man.

Either that or everyone was on drugs(possible given the period this kind of "art" started becoming mainstream) and looking at these pieces made their high that much more enjoyable.

You're welcome

youtube.com/watch?v=Ipqc7bOvOLc

modern art is a way to launder money and a bunch of faggots who got rich but wernt privy to the info started buying the shit so the cartels and money launders just went along. Theres a documentry on in you can watch called everythings for sale or some shit like that. essential art galleries were running out of shit to sell as all the art had been bought and was just being traded, so some jews got together and found a new way to increase inventory...modern art, a never ending supply of new art to satisfy the market and keep galleries in business. esentially an artists sells his work to a gallery for pennies the gallery sells the art to a bidder for thousands, then the bidder turns around and sells the worthless pennies of art to a drug dealer or money launderer for millions. the artist now has a work thats sold for millions so his other shit goes up in value. the money is legally in the economy and the end person can hold and resell the shit to some other schmuck at long term capital gains tax rates or throw it away and take an investment loss he nets with gains. its a giant corrupt shit hole with a bunch of faggots pretending its some super sophisticated endeavor.

I think you are right.

It's funny the whole point of art is that it's a visual medium. If it fails to translate it's message visually and one has to resort to explaining what it means to the audience then that creator has failed as an artists. It's no longer art in the visual sense, its not even descriptive it just is.

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Very good link user. To be fair I've expected some shit video, but had to rewind this many times to fully absorb it.

Pretty much. I love Basquiat and Picasso’s work but Altdorfer and Raphael still holds up for me. And we all know AbEx was a CIA racket so who cares.

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You're welcome slavic friend. The user has been banned many times on yotube for the redpills and informative videos he has released. I suggest looking up "Vertigo politix" videos on youtube and see his other stuff. This is also another gem from him. It's 30 minutes, but its all you need to know on the character of Marx

youtube.com/watch?v=4ECxxRofU-I

watch equilibrium

Unironically read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand if you want to understand the nature of art

The art a man makes is a reflection of his state of being, he makes what he loves so he may live in a world with more of what he loves and be reminded of it all the more

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abstract expressionism was actually an acute rebuttal to the american cultural trend of social realism (outdated after the war) in art, was funded by the government, in an attempt to diversify beyond the depiction of 'gothic america'. abstract expressionism moves away from these periods by inwardly questioning art itself, which had yet to have been done in such literal terms.

you need to understand that contemporary art is as epic in scope as the classical period. Jeff Koons, if you like his work or not, displays expert levels of material practice the likes of which the greeks could not even dream of. and thats just the simple truth of it. art is like this because it is, and people with a lot of money will always be doing goofy stuff. an artist covered a human skull in diamonds and i bet you don't give a shit, but if a similar looking thing got dug up in some greek ruins you would be aching for the good ol days right?

also it seems most people are kind of forgetting that shitty pieces of art that were made in the ancient eras probably didnt survive long enough, and the best pieces were preserved & protected the longest, so obviously its going to look way better in scope. there are excellent fine artists doing some proper weird stuff, roger hiorns, olafur eliasson, magali reus, helen marten to name a few. and this is the visual representation of our history & culture. if you think its shit you're literally just choosing to look at the bad stuff because you're too lazy to go out and find something that you can really appreciate.

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Yes. Good art, regardless of it's form - be it visual or not, ideally should be a self-contained experience conveying something higher, more meaningful than the physical representation of it. Good art is a deep experience, often metaphysical so to speak.

For example, let's look at this performance. It allows me to tap into an experience of torment, despair, a miasma of human misery that I've never experienced in my life, yet somehow deep down it allows me to feel it, see it. After listening to this always feel like taking a shower.
youtube.com/watch?v=HIJPxxoF7dw&feature=youtu.be&t=128

Good art transfers the meaning / experience on to its audience. It's almost like a 'download' system into ones consciousness.

Or something probably more suited for Jow Forums.

You don't need any back story to know what this piece is about. It tells you what it's about.
youtube.com/watch?v=w2vLEQno9Ks

>Cultural Marxism is a rejection of objectivity
>Cultural Marxism is the lowering of previously-established standards of quality for the inherent value of art.
>Culture has to be molded to conform to ideas about equity.
There you go.

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art is a reflection of the soul. its a reflection that the jew's own our souls. artists like jackson pollock are about white men pretending to be niggers. he made the kind of art an aborigine would but with "theory" behind it. it's good goy art of the highest order.

e jones gives a good explanation
youtube.com/watch?v=JJz-u8RJRhg&t=1s

is it possible that even the best modern day painters and artists are not skilled enough to reproduce work similar to what OP posted?

This is real poop art.

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dude, just get it over with
it's all bygone era

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It's to destroy a people's foundation in reality, to open their minds to relativism, and abandon self evident truths. Once they can get you to call ugly "art" beautiful, they can twist your mind in other ways, such as making you believe there is no gender. And also call people who are obviously quite different like Africans and Europeans, exactly the same. It's a first step to brainwashing.

it has more to do than just skill. its the mindset and the eye for what is transcendent.

Interesting video, surely it has a high content to filler ratio. I'm at 15 min, and so far in those 15 minutes he's contained information I've seen spread across many other videos, which were 1-2 hours each.

So, 15 minutes of this video contain several hours worth of other videos. Wish more people made videos like that.

youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

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>But why is it in a gallery?
The people who put it in there don't even know.

>CIA Psyop to demoralize the people, and make them more subservient
unironically this is the truth
plus! they get to laugh at how retarded we are as we come to this shit like pigs

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Art, music, religion, buildings etc reflect what humanity is experiencing, We are obviously living through the apocalypse.

No-talent jews can be artist who sell millions $ "paintings". Ther's a lot of things they can hijack but in art, you have to deliver and they just can't, so they established this drivel as the new normal.

>Modern art galleries are just Saved By The Bell splash art.

I believe it's not as ideological a reason as Jow Forums would like you to believe, consider the following:
>For hundreds of years art has been a way for wealthy people to invest money, as art pieces from highly regarded artists are guaranteed to become more valuable as time progresses
>slowly the rich started to influence culture/the art establishment
>through their influence they made it so that valuable art is much more simpler to produce, so that more of it can be produced so more money can be invested in it
>fastforward to today, where literally anything is art if it has the right artist's name
>wealthy people can invest huge sums of money and expect a high return rate

The problem with this practice was that in the past it took much more effort and skill to create a painting, so much less easy profit could be made. But now we can all enjoy our 12.000.000 dollar pukestain on a canvas.

Don't forget fags and spics

>what's it about
money laundering?

Is Graffiti considered to be a real art?

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Photographs have lost its meaning since everyone is a "professional" photographer with their iphone.

Have a song, user

youtube.com/watch?v=8fCZGXd1eC8

it's not about "art" it's about laundering money.

>If you came into a lot of money tomorrow you could just get a friend of yours to throw shit on a canvas, buy it for 10 million and suddenly they are a talented artist worth millions deserving their art hung in galleries. Thats how it works.
Ok but then they have to pay $4m in income tax, after you've paid probably $6m or so.

The overarching narrative of the moderns was that art had become too full of itself and so they rebelled against it by showing how other things can be art that aren't associated with it.

The goal of art, traditionally, is to express the transcendental. Beauty is then seen as when it actually occurs. Eventually (for reasons unknown to me) the focus moved from the transcendental to simply beauty itself. Modern art seems to deny objectivity in beauty and so rely on what the person enjoys currently or what is "powerful" to them. This is likely to be influenced by the cultural revolt from Christendom to modernity to postmodernism but I'd say the loss of artistic form in modern art goes hand in hand with its subjectivity. If you are no longer trying to express something absolute but trying to simply express feelings then many manner of vague formless symbols can do.

Architecture is somewhat in the same situation but they also had the issue of people who originally supported simplicity not being able to expand on it artistically like the Japanese but instead got usurped (quickly) by a focus on productivity. Hence the cheap, lifeless modern architecture.

Reinforced concrete is cheap but the rebar trusts, making the building only last about 50 years. But that's okay because it gives demand to the economy. Meanwhile the reinforced concrete building the Pantheon has existed for 1893 years.

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