As a psychology student going into clinical work I feel that many of my classes/ our texts enforce medicating a individual especially a young children when faced with many mental illness. Although I agree that medication is important to some people for many it can make the symptoms worse or the side effects can create even larger problems.
We went over in class about even diagnosing people of the age of 5-6 with disorders and how our text/teacher basically said go straight for a medium dosage prescription of the correlating medication. Personally I feel this will practice will hurt alot of people, even more so younger children, what does pol think on this issue?
The drug industry dictates to the psych industry Fuck all that shit Medical Marijuana combined with cognitive behavioral therapy will fix everybody's fucking problems
Kayden Sanders
I think it’s a bad thing unless the child is suffering from brain abnormalities that cause things like seizures or psychosis. Putting children on things like SSRI’s isn’t going to help them learn to deal with reality and will set them up for a catastrophe once the dreaded SSRI poop out happens.
Jace Young
Meh if you ask me they should be kept off the meds till a later age or the very least be given below their required dosage. I'm no pediatric though so I might be wrong but i think it would impair their development to be on anti-psychotics or anti-depressants.
I took psychology myself and I found the field fascinating.
One thing I always disagreed with in my studies were always psychiatry applications (I was also taking neuropsychology and behavioural psychology as well). That’s because there are already perfectly good models that outlined a good and healthy approach to behavioural therapy for psychological issues, but psychiatry seems to think that by reducing the recovery time you’ve somehow improved the end result. It also tends to tackle symptoms rather than root cause and doesn’t do much to solve the issue.
I personally am a proponent of behavioural therapy for psychological/neurological issues, and medication should only be utilized for crippling and debilitating issues like cluster headaches or multiple sclerosis, etc.
Nathan Lopez
Ritalin saved my life.
Charles Stewart
Isn't it kind of pointless to take regular doses of a drug against which the body can develop a tolerance? It's like turning on a space heater in a house with central cooling and a thermostat.
Charles Gomez
it's such a bad fucking idea dude it destroys them inside
unless that child is having episodic fits of violence, which he'd only be experiencing if he was sexually abused, then don't fucking put him on any fucking substance that alters his mind's chemistry and wiring
do you see the racket in what i said? the (((fuckers))) that run psychology know what it's all about, they push drugs on the kids for $$ knowing full well where that child's psyche is. that had been the plan
you may as well give children fucking coke, it's literally no different, it's fucking not the way and no child should ever be medicated again with psychotropics unless it's literally necessary for their genuine well-being and not a fucking payout for big pharma
Julian Watson
It's a good way of invalidating them for life. There is a lot of research on that, but the big pharma is in control and kids will keep getting medicated and getting a lot of problems from an early age.
Hunter Collins
Dicking them cures the problems better than drugging them
Jayden James
lmao this fucking shit right here, FBI you see it don't you? I know you're in this thread lurking
just look at this fucking shit lmfao and tell me it isn't just exactly as it seems
Liam Ross
FIGHT the psychos and pharma Jew! Only LRH and his proven tech can truly clear your mind!
I have a buddy who was on adderall since he was 8 or something. He became addicted to it and he would tell me how it made him dead inside and stuff. The scary part is is that when I was his age my teachers said I had ADD too but my parents never put me on some medication because school was too boring. Now he has a lot more problems like polyaddiction and depression. Personally I wouldn’t drug kids because they don’t want to sit in a classroom all day. Other drugs I’d need to know more about to form an opinion, but for the most part I’d say I’m against most psychiatric medications.
Jeremiah Edwards
drugging kids is child abuse
if hitting doesn't work then boarding school certainly will.
Cooper Rivera
We’re starting to learn the root causes of some of these problems. Many mental health issues like adhd, schizophrenia and even bipolar have been linked to poor sleep quality, like even kids getting enough sleep don’t want to wake up in the morning because their bodies cant rest and replenish. It’s blamed on iPads etc but that’s bullshit. I’m investigating an anti inflammatory diet to see if that improves my sleep quality. We’re slowly working out how to improve sleep, but that has been our Achilles heel in the ongoing attack on our health and well-being
Camden Williams
Divorce is one of the root causes.
Parents who remain married have far better chance of raising healthy offspring.
>medicalization of rebellion and opposition can now be carried out at as early an age as two. Rather than being legitimate forms of rage against their political conditions, anger and defiance against authority are considered medical issues to be worked out with a therapist or medication. Between 1993 and 2012, there was a seven-fold increase in the number of children under 13 being prescribed antipsychotics. About 63% of those given antipsychotics were for “disruptive behavior disorders” like ODD. By citing low socioeconomic status as a cause for a medical diagnosis and intervention, the police (psychiatrists and school officials here) can avoid it being a cause for a political action, i.e. a riot, sabotage, or student strike. As psychiatrists continue to bicker about what the hell schizophrenia is, what “normality” is, and about how to diagnose anything at all, they are nevertheless comfortable with prescribing aggressive personal therapy for “oppositional” children and antipsychotics for pre-teens.
So children can take risperdal and grow titties or literally take hormone blockers if they randomly decide they want to change genders but can't smoke pot, drink, have sex or drive cars doesn't that make you think?
Landon Perry
>The most vague and broadly applicable of these diagnoses of control is ADHD. Russell Barkley, one of mainstream psychology’s leading experts on ADHD calls it a “deficit in rule-governing behavior.” This can be virtually anything from making weird noises to standing up too often to hitting others. Adults with authority in our society are unable to ask whether kids are bored because school is awful and boring, whether they are acting out because they recognize that the adults in their lives are suckers and assholes, whether they are depressed because they realize they will grow up and be like them, or whether they aren’t following rules because the rules are bullshit. Instead, they weave a story about “brain chemistry” and categorize anyone who doesn’t respond well to the world they’ve reproduced as “deficient” so they can stuff them full of pills, preparing them for an equally boring future made bearable with alcohol and pornography like that of “normal people.”
>despite the importance of a reliable diagnosis, there is still no consensus about who is mentally ill, or what a “disease” like schizophrenia is or isn’t. Nancy Andreasen, the editor of the American Journal of Psychiatry, the official journal of the APA, confessed in 1998 that, “Someday in the twenty-first century, after the human genome and the human brain have been mapped, someone may need to organize a reverse Marshall Plan so that the Europeans can save American science by helping us figure out who really has schizophrenia or what schizophrenia is.” For every psychiatrist ready to assure the public that schizophrenia really exists and needs to be treated before behavior becomes violent, there are others who entirely reject this. Allen Frances, the editor of the DSM-IV, told writer Gary Greenberg that “There is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bullshit. I mean, you just can’t define it.” Given the frequency with which one hears politicians and the disaster-profiteers in the media comment on the mental illness crisis apparently sweeping across America, it is somewhat shocking to hear the man who edited the book on how to diagnose these illnesses tell us that “These concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.” Perhaps it would shock many to learn that the “diseases” listed there are not chosen because they objectively exist and were discovered through scientific means, but because a member of the APA suggested them, they were discussed, and eventually voted on for inclusion or exclusion. Homosexuality was ousted from the DSM by a vote, not because they suddenly “realized” it wasn’t a disease.
>diagnosing people of the age of 5-6 with disorders and how our text/teacher basically said go straight for a medium dosage prescription of the correlating medication >mfw Tom Cruise was right
Awful. I was majorly depressed for a long time where I had no motivation to do anything and the most mundane stuff was utterly exhausting. They just gave me those school shooter SSRI pills that make you not care about anything, and not care that you don't care about anything. I kept telling my doctors all the negative side effects and they just wanted to increase the dose and add more types of pills because "that dose wasn't effective." After half a decade of hell I finally found a non chemical treatment (transcranial magnetic stimulation) where they just use electromagnetic waves to jump-start the under active parts of the brain, and it totally cured the depression in thirty days. My insurance refused to pay for it because they said I hadn't tried enough types of medication.
tl;dr: there are much more effective treatments than psychiatric medications, but because prescription pills are an extremely effective financial model, they're promulgated far more than effective solutions. Blame lobbyists or jews.
Respond to this post and I'll think about entertaining this discussion with you, but until then, (((1PostID)))
Ian Miller
but not capitalism
Adam Lopez
>Throughout the 20th century, “. . . the referents of schizophrenia gradually changed until the diagnosis came to be applied to a population who bore only a slight, and possibly superficial, resemblance to Kraepelin’s.” By the end of the 20th century, schizophrenia was associated with hallucination, delusions, and bizarre thoughts. With such a broad diagnostic territory, schizophrenia became the tool of choice for psychiatrists diagnosing social disorders. Why is speaking to God in a cathedral considered “prayer,” while speaking to a friend who passed away a “hallucination?” Why is believing you live in the “greatest country in the world” and showing reverence to a piece of cloth considered “patriotic,” while believing you are or could be a spy “delusional?” How is believing immigrants are coming over the borders in waves a “healthy fear,” while believing the FBI is spying on you “paranoid?” Simple. One adheres to an acceptable norm and the other does not. If we were to stick to only material referents to produce meaning, then we would have to abandon language. The relations we imagine between things are imaginary and do not materially exist. Delusion and psychosis are common parts —indeed, necessary parts— of the human experience and could be shared and discussed were it not for the shame implicit in “schizophrenia” or any other psychiatric diagnosis.
Alexander Robinson
Medication is often the best option... for adults. It’s entirely unknown what effects these drugs have on a developing mind. The use of the drugs should be banned for anyone under 18, or preferably under 25. Giving a six year old Ritalin or adderall to take daily is fucking insane.
Christian Robinson
>One of the most dramatic examples of the diagnostic fluidity of schizophrenia happened between 1940 and 1960 and was examined by Jonathan Metzl in his book The Protest Psychosis: How Schizophrenia Became a Black Disease. In the early 20th century, schizophrenia was considered a benign disease that mostly affected white women who were not adequately performing the expectations associated with being a wife or daughter. It was largely perceived to be a disease of docility and inaction. The wife was melancholic and failing to perform her womanly chores. Jonika Upton was diagnosed as schizophrenic. Some of her “symptoms” included carrying a Proust book around and running away with a boyfriend.
Tyler Collins
woah those NPCs are fucked and even their meat is ruined, I would stay away
Michael Hill
I think between the mommies that need to have a special case kid on their hands and docs that dont give a shit kids in the U.S. are by and large over-medicated.
William Collins
>This changed in the 1960s during the Black Power movement when schizophrenia suddenly became associated with the fears of white civil society about black protest. The DSM-II added “hostility” and “aggression” as new criteria for diagnosing schizophrenia; advertisements for anti-psychotics began portraying aggressive black men; and asylums began admitting black men for schizophrenia about five times more often than white patients. Malcolm X and Robert F. Williams were both diagnosed as schizophrenic by the FBI.
>It shouldn’t be surprising that many references are made to madness in various forms of music, given the historical and cultural connections made between madness and artistry and genius, but it is perhaps surprising that, in contrast to the frequent references to anxiety and depression in musical genres commonly associated with whiteness (alt-folk, country, and alternative rock), hip-hop artists’ most common reference is to schizophrenia and psychosis. On the Dr. Dre song “Natural Born Killaz,” Dre raps that he is “doomed to be a killer . . . with a heart full of terror.” Ice Cube responds: “I’m the unforgiving, psycho-driven murderer / It’s authentic, goddamn it, schizophrenic.” 2pac raps on “16 on Death Row” that he’s “kind of schizophrenic, I’m in this shit to win it” while Vince Staples on “Loco” says hes “Been a schizo crip though off of 65th though/ Anybody killer I ain’t aiming when the shit blow.”
Ian Phillips
>These lines, with their powerful, violent drive, constitute an appropriation of the label thrust upon them by police, by doctors, and the public. This theme is even more explicitly expressed in Kendrick Lamar’s 2016 track “The Blacker the Berry” where he expresses in forceful, half-shouted exclamations the hatred he feels surrounding him, the general disregard and dishonor for his identity and what gets attached to it as well as the rage and anger he feels in response. “Burn, baby, burn, that’s all I wanna see/ And sometimes I get off watchin’ you die in vain” he sings vengefully, quickly adding “It’s such a shame they may call me crazy/ They may say I suffer from schizophrenia or somethin’/ But homie, you made me.” Everything is there in those beginning lines: the representation of rage in response to horror as insanity, and specifically, with all its connotations of delusion and now paranoid aggressiveness, schizophrenia.
Michael Rodriguez
FUCK NO except in extreme circumstances in which the kid will cause immediate harm to themselves or others if they are not sedated.
Grayson Peterson
CBT's the big one there, you retard.
Jonathan Lewis
Aren't psychiatrists (the ones actually able to give scripts) supposed to be going to medical school? Why are you learning about dosages in classes for psychology?
Adam Diaz
Mental illnesses in general can't be "cured" and in many cases, talking things out with a therapist isn't enough. If there's something wrong with your brain chemistry, you need drugs, and you need to be taking them indefinitely.
Lucas Allen
How often is it that people affect society that arent on medication, or the ones who stop taking it? I studied child psychology for a while, and even though pills on a child's constantly growing brain could be an issue in the long run, the short game is extremely beneficial. I've worked with kids who take meds and when they forget them in the mornings, their days are jurastically different, and usually for the worse. Obviously a cost benefit is occurring, but maybe like microdosing paired with other potential solvents or train/teach kids how to cope with their illness would at least be a start. It's kind of like telling a kid they're broken, and not giving them any insight on what it is the issue is while pretending a pill is the only fix.
Parker Bell
wat post
Liam Smith
For my major I had to take a psychopharmacology class and that is basically just intro to psychiatry
Noah Watson
As someone who has been on the medical jew for 12 years, I'm okay with this depending on the medication. Not ritalin tho.
Dylan Reyes
NEVER.
Most, if not all psychiatric issues can be best controlled by a change of diet, NOT ingesting sythetic lab created garbage to zombie-fy your child.
Mason Reed
So tolerance does not negate the efficacy of psychotropic drugs?
Liam Perez
Those would be much higher in the course list in regards to psychology if you're talking dosages of specific drugs.
Thomas Reyes
>As psychiatrists continue to bicker about what the hell schizophrenia is, what “normality” is, Psychiatrist haven't bickered about what schizophrenia is since decades ago.
Daniel Bell
>Most, if not all psychiatric issues can be best controlled by a change of diet According to what?
Adrian Sanchez
Mental illnesses is nothing, it a myth, psychiatrists VOTE on what is "mental illness" and what is not. its just politics
Why is speaking to God in a cathedral considered “prayer,” while speaking to a friend who passed away a “hallucination?” Why is believing you live in the “greatest country in the world” and showing reverence to a piece of cloth considered “patriotic,” while believing you are or could be a spy “delusional?” How is believing immigrants are coming over the borders in waves a “healthy fear,” while believing the FBI is spying on you “paranoid?”
Anthony Clark
Pills on kids are to be avoided unless absolutely and unavoidably necessary
The pharma industry is known to scam and cheat for a profit, known to send out drugs that they know will cause harm and they've intimidated doctors into silence when found out. The pills are shit and will fuck the kids up and the industry making them has proven itself to be as trustworthy as a politician on their last term
Xavier Wilson
>Why is speaking to God in a cathedral considered “prayer,” while speaking to a friend who passed away a “hallucination?” Because God usually doesn't talk back.
Daniel Morris
oh, but they do. the definitions are so board that any one of us here could be diagnosed as "schizophrenic"
>ne 1970 study in El Paso, Texas found that of the 463 people interviewed, every single person experienced some thoughts and fantasies that could potentially qualify them for diagnosis of a mental illness. But the most publicized scandal was an experiment performed by Stanford’s professor of Psychology, David Rosenhan, in 1973. He and seven others went to twelve different mental hospitals complaining that they heard the word “thud,” otherwise acting “normal.” In every instance, they were admitted for schizophrenia. Once in, they acted completely normal, and did not complain again. Not only were they not discovered to be frauds, they were given more than 2000 neuroleptic pills and had trouble getting the doctors to let them out. They also ran the experiment in reverse. Rosenhan advised a mental hospital that someone would come in the next few months to try to fraud them and that they should be on the lookout. They sent no such fraud, but forty-one prospective patients were nevertheless turned away as imposters. “We know now that we cannot distinguish insanity from sanity,” Rosenhan wrote in Science magazine.
Adam Flores
To Alex Jones, I assume.
Luis Garcia
You test drugs by individual cases, but start at a general dose based on size and other factors.
Michael Roberts
oh so jesus was a lunatic, which makes all Christians on earth lunatics
Daniel Turner
Well fuck me, seems like the US has a serious problem with for-profit Mental Asylums.
Owen Hall
Hence why I said usually. If God talks with you, and you can revive dead people, that's where the exception exists.
Caleb Reed
I was on citalopram anti depressants for a while. 3rd week in, stood up and shit my pants. It was brown water. I was stuck on the toilet for 3 days. It was then I got my life together the old fashioned way.
Gavin Walker
Obviously it's a bad idea. But we live in the world where light is dark, up is down, ill is healthy, evil is good, the undeserving get rewarded, weak is strong, etc etc etc. The whole system is upside down and you probably know it, so why does it come as a surprise that we're barberously ham-handedly doping the most amazing chemical factory organ to ever exist on this planet during that brain's formative years? It's totally in line with everything else. Welcome to pol???
Jaxson Young
its not just in the US. its been like this since the Enlightenment
you can listen to this podcast, its very informing
What I mean to say is, neurons deactivate and withdraw receptors in response to prolonged exposure to a drug. The effect of the drug diminishes over time.
I can only speak from personal experience: My nephew was diagnosed with ADHD at eight, you wouldn't believe how much he has changed after 2 years on Ritalin, from screaming unstoppable potato to reading The Little Prince. Regarding ADD/ADHD; I think they are real mental conditions but way over diagnosed.
Brayden Lee
>Mental illnesses is nothing, it a myth >psychiatrists VOTE on what is "mental illness" and what is not. Have you taken a psych intro class? You seem unaware in general. >Why is speaking to God in a cathedral considered “prayer,” while speaking to a friend who passed away a “hallucination?” Because belief in a God within a church is generally held within a scope as far as actions go, while openly talking with someone who isnt there needs to be further investigated. Could people who believe that they're speaking with a vision of God specifically? Absolutely, but psychiatrists have their own theories on related events, maybe like shared psychotic disorder. But in the end it's a high functioning vs low functioning individual who determines their need for assistance for the most part.
Cooper Harris
Or scientology.
Adrian Smith
Right, but they dont diminish completely.
Brandon Johnson
what do you mean "high functioning vs low functioning"
what is "functioning"? if a person lay in bad it makes him insane? if he spends his time drawing bizarre pictures instead of going to work from 9-5 in a factory and instead dumpster dives and lives in a squatted apartment in some abandoned building it makes him "ill"?
this is just politics, my friend
jeus never talked to God inside a church, he talked with him wherever, by that you could same he was "insane" and Christians who go to church to pray to him are just lunatics and fools, if we are "rational" people we need to destroy those churches, why are we not doing this?
Jordan King
Your profession should be burned to the ground and it's ashes sent into the sun.
Gabriel Jackson
>what do you mean "high functioning vs low functioning" It's just a clarification of the abilities of the individual in question. High function is relatively normal with x illness, versus the low functioning individual who may be mentally stunted at such a rate that they have to be monitored 24/7. Its a spectrum based on testing. So to say it's just voted on is silly, theres much more that you dont understand that goes into these determinations.
Jeremiah Clark
Psychiatric medication is a bad idea for children and teenagers but in case of psychosis you don't really have a choice, it's a lesser evil thing.
I know psychiatry is really bad in the US and Jow Forums and even /sci/ are sometimes /x/tier when talking about mental illnesses but even if you think we give names arbitrarily to groups of symptoms and they aren't real illnesses, just spend some time working with psychotic people to see if there's nothing wrong with them and they would be happy, normal people without psychiatry and psychiatric medication.
Even if delusions can be a defense mechanism it rarely is enough against paranoïa and hallucinations for someone to feel well enough.
It's a whole other debate. For a non-believer, going to church and praying to God while really believing that there is a God and that praying will have any effect can be seen as a delusion. But people that do that generally don't suffer from it or are a danger for themselves or others. Believing in God is not a disease. Believing that the Earth is flat isn't either, in that case it's just dumb.
Mystical delirium is a thing though.
Nathaniel Perry
dude, they literally voted on it, im not maaking this up
Henry Garcia
>if we are "rational" people we need to destroy those churches, why are we not doing this? What would be rational about destroying churches?
Luis James
Do you have the link for this? But this isnt psychology, if politics is affecting what's being determined within society that's politics. Psychology is simply "the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context". If someone studies something and provides their findings to the community, and someone uses that to make determinations about a relevant topic, that's not psychology. That's politics.
>Psychiatry claims, like any branch of medicine, to have discovered positive and real diseases, which it purports to treat. But psychiatry is not like other branches of medicine for a number of simple reasons: First, its categories are based on notions of normality, and thus are contingent culturally and historically, which we’ve briefly touched on. We’ll come back to this. Second, it now claims to study “brain diseases”. This can’t be said to be literally true. When neurologists discover the biological roots of a disease in the brain, it largely ceases to be considered a psychiatric disorder and becomes a neurological problem. This has happened with epilepsy, the various forms of dementia, Down’s Syndrome (which used to be called feeble-mindedness) and is now happening with autism spectrum (Here, I am not implying that autism nor Down’s Syndrome are “disorders” but merely remarking on where they land in scientific literature). Far from bolstering or combining with psychiatric knowledge, as many hoped, the growth of neurology has pushed psychiatry into the defensive. Third, and connected with the second point, psychiatry is the only medical branch I can think of that has its fundamental concepts and diagnoses consistently put into question, and not just by its detractors, but by its proponents as well. I can’t think of any respected doctor alive today who would deny the very existence of cancer, or diabetes, yet there are respected psychiatrists working within the hospital system like Jim van Os who publicly deny the existence of schizophrenia, bipolar, and others. Nor can I think of any anti-cardiologist or anti-rheumatologist activist groups, and yet we have a global and historical anti-psychiatry movement.
Owen Price
>The clearest way to approach this problem is through the tool psychiatrists and some clinical psychologists use to make a diagnosis. Diagnosis is arguably the most contentious power in the toolbox of psychiatry, and also its source of authority. If the physician could not make authoritative claims as to who is mentally ill or not, then they would have no power to treat. In America, this tool is called the DSM, or the diagnostic and statistical manual, now in its fifth edition. The DSM is an extremely important document, which has changed millions of peoples lives. It’s important for legal reasons, as many may not receive any services unless they meet the criteria for a diagnosis, and because it can affect your status in a trial; it’s important for insurance and billing purposes, as many mental health professionals need to dole out a diagnosis if they want to be legitimate in the eyes of the state; it’s also important for subjective purposes, as many in a state of crisis or confusion seek out authoritative explanations that help them make sense of their lives.
Ian Perry
>“There are no objective tests in psychiatry, no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” This is true, we learn this in psych intro. That's why the scope of psychology doesnt/shouldnt extend past the scope of study. If it does, then I agree with you. So when people make these determinations on what is and isnt, based on studies in an objective manner is not being correct in their assumption. But on the other side of the coin, we have found that what we have studied works for people who have demonstrated at some level that have a mental handicap or issue. Theres a clear benefit in circumstances for people with illnesses taking medication. Are we overmedicating, and should we close the scope more? Yes. Should we pretend there arent people who clearly demonstrate some sort of mental illness and not provide something that could benefit them? No.
