Capitalists deserve the rope

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>Yes... I know. We already established that. Find a way to fix it and then we, as a society, can consider your original point. You're counting your eggs before they hatch. You're extolling government services while also simultaneously understanding that it's corrupt and run by traitors.
The core problem is that politics is corrupted by money. Your congressman and senator serve their corporate donors, not the people. In the old days, ordinary everyday people would run for congress. Like farmers. And then they would go back to working on the farm after they retire from politics.

Nowadays congressman are mostly upper middle-class professionals like lawyers. And then they go work as consultants or serve on the board for big businesses when they retire from politics.

How can you expect someone who is wealthy to fight for "the people" when the wealthy have every reason to support the status quo? With the exception of FDR because FDR was legitimately afraid that Communism would grow in the United States. So he wrote up the New Deal to prevent Communist Revolution in the United States.

High functioning psychopath becomes Republican senator. Votes to let homeless people die on the street. Makes perfect sense to me.

So what other system makes people work? Humans like to consume shit and the only way we get products and services is by labor.

Socialism? Never worked - ps, Social Democracy isn't Socialism.

National Socialism? You and every single neckbeard on this shit board know Nazi Germany was just Capitalist with a nationalistic government - private property still existed, capitalists still existed, inequality still existed, the rich still existed etc.

Communism? Communism is a classless, stateless, and money-less society - i think you know why that simply cannot work - ever.

So, what other way it there to produce the massive amount of gook machines and services that we LOVE to consume so much for that sweet sweet dopamine? Capitalism of course - it's great at making people think they are working voluntarily, great at producing and distributing shit we don't need, and keeps us happy for a short period of time before we move on to the next chink box.

Humans are naturally degenerate pieces of carbon that like to consume - that's it.

>So what other system makes people work? Humans like to consume shit and the only way we get products and services is by labor.
>Socialism? Never worked - ps, Social Democracy isn't Socialism.
>National Socialism? You and every single neckbeard on this shit board know Nazi Germany was just Capitalist with a nationalistic government - private property still existed, capitalists still existed, inequality still existed, the rich still existed etc.
>Communism? Communism is a classless, stateless, and money-less society - i think you know why that simply cannot work - ever.
>So, what other way it there to produce the massive amount of gook machines and services that we LOVE to consume so much for that sweet sweet dopamine? Capitalism of course - it's great at making people think they are working voluntarily, great at producing and distributing shit we don't need, and keeps us happy for a short period of time before we move on to the next chink box.
>Humans are naturally degenerate pieces of carbon that like to consume - that's it.
I think Social Democracy is the best compromise that we have ever come up with. Socialism sounds good on paper. This idea that workers own the means of production and keep the fruit of their labour instead of giving a big cut to their employer. But in execution, socialism almost always leads to centralization of power and centralization of power almost always leads to corruption. As we have seen with USSR, Cuba, Maoist China, Venezuela.

1930s-1970s Social Democracy seems to be an accident of history though. In the 1930s, FDR implemented the New Deal (which is social democracy) because Communist Revolution in the United States was a legitimate threat during the Great Depression. FDR figured that it was better to give the workers some concessions than to let unemployed Americans chimp out on the streets. And then as the USSR weakened, the threat of Communism was no longer. So they started to dial-up the neo-liberalism again

based leaf

> maybe help out people going through tough times like a FAMILY would?

You're not my fucking family lmao.

Yeah, falsely imprisoning people and stealing their money is true compassion.

That's what i'm talking about. Social Democracy is the best as data shows, but people on Jow Forums are always going for the extremes as everything is black and white.

Only bad thing is Social Democratic nations tend to become cucks.

Admit that you're just looking for an excuse to legally steal shit from people.

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These types of conversations always amuse me because you all act like human nature is immutable and that some perfect system is going to somehow make the niggers want to work and cooperate with others. And I'm not just referring to Africans; there are niggers of every race. There are also intelligent, hard-working, compassionate and cooperative people of every race. Put them all into one society and aggressively and vigilantly dispose of the non-cooperating cheaters and what you will likely find is that it will succeed regardless of what system you choose to use, or in the absence of a system at all. You all should be asking how to improve the quality of the average human before you engage in this futile circle jerk of finding to find le most epic political system.

>You're not my fucking family lmao.
And you're not rich. It wouldn't be productive to tax the middle-class and upper middle-class wage cucks to help the poor. This creates *ressentiment* among the different divisions of the working class. Divide & Conquer is how the elite win. Redistributive social programs should be paid for by rich people and large corporations.
I don't give a fuck if doctors get paid well. Because their labour is very valuable to society. Doctors are basically petit-bourgeoisie. They're not elites. Being a successful executive is a much easier job than being a competent doctor. I would rather tax highly-compensated executives and large shareholders than tax a doctor or an engineer.
Jeff Bezos is not God. Running the day-to-day operations of Amazon is not as hard as performing open heart surgery.
Capitalism is a society in which NBA basketball players get paid way more than doctors. There is tremendous resource waste in capitalism. Which is why I feel that capitalism needs to be regulated (social democracy).

>Socialism? Never worked - ps, Social Democracy isn't Socialism.

social democracy is not pure, neoliberal capitalism or libertarianism or anarcho capitalism either

you're responding to a criticism of neoliberal capitalism with a false dichotomy of " well what works other than capitalism? socialism doesn't work, nothing else works"

No one is suggesting siezing the means of production and making private enterprise illegal.

but yes if you're going to look after the cultural and spiritual health of the nation and foster a sense of community , a sense of shared identity, such that the populace feels like a nation, a people, then yes you do need a collectivist rather than an individualist mentality and that means a government that cares about social well being and is not afraid to intervene, to practice protectionism, to protect its borders, will consider quality of life more important than GDP.
This doesn't mean giving niggers and layabouts free money , it does mean a government that will take other actions to look after its people.

the eternal memeflag strikes again

>That's what i'm talking about. Social Democracy is the best as data shows, but people on Jow Forums are always going for the extremes as everything is black and white.
>Only bad thing is Social Democratic nations tend to become cucks.
Yeah my main criticism with Social Democrats is that they tend to be cucks regarding immigration and they tend to adopt identitarian politics. Open borders + gibs is not sustainable. I believe that a mixed economy is the best thing. But the Democrat Party and the Liberal Party here in Canada are off-their-rocker with regards to immigration. You should see what Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton used to say about illegal immigration in the 1990s. You should see what Barack Obama used to say about illegal immigration ten years ago. He was the Deporter-in-Chief.

The fact that the left is so cucked on immigration and identitarian politics these days is the reason why I think a lot of people have started shifting to the right.

I consider myself center-left. I would never vote for conservatives or lolbertarians. And I can't tolerate the bigotry that a lot of conservatives hold. However I also refuse to vote for Justin Trudeau or the NDP. So I just don't vote.

People like me are basically occupy that Louis CK, Aziz Ansari, Tim Pool, Angela Nagle space where we are not "woke" enough for the Regressive Left but we can't bring ourselves to vote conservative either because we are left-leaning liberals. We're just not fucking crazy like Antifa, the DSA and Chapo Cuck House.

>No one is suggesting siezing the means of production and making private enterprise illegal.
There was a time where /leftypol/ convinced me that workers owning the means of production was a good idea. But then after hanging out with leftists enough, I decided that I would rather the bourgeoisie own the means of production rather than let these batshit psychos on the Regressive Left run society. On paper I actually agree that labour creates all the value that capital hordes. But I hate other leftists and they scare the shit out of me.

Joe Biden is a corporate whore and I think he is an asshole. I didn't appreciate what he said about millennials. But I would rather he win 2020 than Bernie Sanders. Because I get the sense that Bernie Sanders would cuck to the DSA on open borders. And Joe Biden is a based boomer establishment Democrat who isn't going to bend the knee to the DSA. Also I think Bernie's "free college' proposal would be disastrous. Imagine if your average Starbucks barista with a liberal arts degree had his education paid for by the taxpayer.

I am basically somewhere in between Boomer Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. We need more social democracy. But I don't think we should get too crazy.

Your ideas are incredibly platitudinous, one-dimensional, short-sighted, self-serving, and ultimately vanilla. It shouldn't matter how difficult open-heart surgery is compared to running a business, what matters is the overall health of society. Once you can zoom out and rid yourself of this ridiculous individualist skin you will start to realize why you're wrong. Example: bigotry has been confirmed by the universe aka math as an effective strategy to avoid getting stabbed or robbed. If 50% of people A are murderers and only 20% of people B, who does it make most sense to affiliate with given no other information? Now extend this logic to the races, and extend the individual decision to entire societies.

Here's a debate topic.
Do people of an inferior race DESERVE to be enslaved?
Was talking to a fat hick and he said they do.
Want insight on this.

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>"your house burns down and you dont have insurance? lmao fuck you."

You built your house next to a forest which was poorly managed, your community built no fire break, and you could buy $5 coffee every day but could not be bothered to hire someone to clear your brush. Then you want your fellow citizens who make half or a third of your income to recover your losses.

So yes, fuck you and also you should have went down with the house in this case.

Lmfao get fucked commie

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They don’t deserve anything. If they can be of use and benefit from it that’s great, otherwise they can be left to ooga booga and eat each other.