Can men be happy without sex/intimate relationships?

Tru

Cringe

They'll pretend to be happy.

Yes absolutely.

sex is not a “need”. It’s desired as a want. There are many things in the world that are better than sex

It's not about sex. It's living without intimacy that's worrying. Masturbation is an easy replacement to sex, in fact it's uncomplicated and satisfying. What differs the orgasm from sex? Intimacy and closeness with another person.

Sharing pleasure with another person, giving and receiving pleasure, having someone there, someone that cares about you enough to pleasure you. Caring about someone enough to please them. Being so intimate that nothing is embarrassing, nothing is gross - your body is theirs and theirs is yours.

Some men have learnt that living without sex is easy, but it's the intimacy that is more difficult to live without.

This is true.

I think taking my gf out to a nice dinner, then after dinner holding hands and going for a long walk is more enjoyable than sex

There are way more important things in life than pumping some cunt

It's about intimacy, indeed holding hands or falling asleep together. It's about having a witness in life who experiences your highs and lows by your side. It's about having someone to come home to who wants to know how your day was. It's about having a partner who can help you carry responsibilities, risks, emotional burdens. It's about having a built in +1 you love to be around and can bring to any dumb work party. It's about being able to start a family with someone. That you can go through life alone doesn't mean it's the happiest option.

Kind of laughable that so many guys here argue that it's mature to not desire a relationship while equating intimate relationships with fucking is incredibly telling in terms of maturity.

No. After my divorce I thought I could just live life without pussy. Fuck bitches lol, I'll just live life alone and who cares? I went three years without pussy and thank Jesus I met a guy at work who knew what I was going through.

Dude was like "man, you are so wound up you need to just fuck this chick I know". No no no no, I'm fine.

I don't know, something about pussy. You just have to unload into it. Relaxes the shoulders.

I haven’t had sex in 7 years and i’m doing alright..

I highly doubt it OP, especially if you are a 'normal' straight guy and your hormones are healthy.

Sex, female attention and intimacy is one of our biggest, most primal human desires. We want to have sex (reproduce) and we want to experience intimate connections with women. It's rooted into our DNA and you can't simply turn that off like a switch by calling yourself a MGTOW or something like that.

Obviously, i'm not saying you can't do without it temporarily. Almost all guys go through periods in their life where they are single and aren't having much sex (or at all). It doesn't have to mean you are unhappy at that moment. But living your life without any female action indefinitely will make you feel incomplete sooner or later.

Hell yes. The most miserable I've been in my life is in a relationship. They try to beat you down to a pulp so you won't go anywhere or say anything while they are rolling that pussy out to all comers.

>happy without sex
Yes but probably not fufilled
>intimate relationships?
Haha fuck no

>not fulfilled
Sex is not fulfilling. it’s the same reason why people who have frequent hook ups still feel empty and lonley.

t. incel

How can a man be miserable about not having these things, if he's never had them to begin with? In a sense, doesn't know what he's missing out on.

I've never had these things, my mind can't even begin to fathom what it is like to live like that and have so much of myself invested in another person. It's an alien concept to me, so I am not miserable because I don't know what it is. All I know is myself and my own self sufficiency, with emotional stuff that is.

So I say a man can be happy without these things. I'm definitely not miserable.

You need to some degree of both to be honest. You can have meaningless hookups, but if you get kicked out of her bed after the sex you will start to feel empty at some point.

You can have an intimate relationship with a girl, but if you aren't having sex with her you'll become sexually frustrated.

>Sex is not fulfilling.
I'll concede that point, but making love sure is

How old are you user?

And I think you might be right. I was single KHV until 20, when someone showed me the power of intimacy and attention. Ever since then I've been obsessed and craving that feeling again. But equally, you know about the experience from media and friends and family - do you not feel curious and crave that mutual feeling of intimacy?

And your use of the word miserable is poignant - it's not misery to lack intimacy but there is an element of sadness and longing.

I have a gf
>”meaningless hook ups”
>fulfilling
No. Think about what you just said. If you’re on a relationship with a woman, then sex is important because it’s bonding and an expression of how much you love each other. You can’t get that from hook ups. That bitch you’re fucking could have STDs and not give a fuck about telling you because she doesn’t care about you.

Yes, masturbate every once in a while to take of the edge and indulge yourself in the shit ton of other things in life that can be enjoyed.

That shit doesn't work if you spin it into a sociopolitical ideal. Read brave new world

The average boy

27.

And I see the relationships and love portrayed in the media as fake. As for the love and intimacy of those around me, my parents never showed intimacy to each other when I was a child. My brother is married, they love each other and show it to me every now and then. I just see that as a thing they do, not something that I an envious of. As for intimacy of friends, again it's just something they have and I don't. It doesn't make me want it.

Not op, but it's very related so I won't kill a thread for this.
How do I avoid becoming a bitter incel if I'm probably gonna be alone for the foreseeable future? I get the sense being bitter about it just makes it even harder to climb out, but I worry that I'll slowly descend into their type of think without realizing it.

I wont read shit. I aint touching anything even remotely related with this gender and sjw madness.

Im ashamed to even know about such abominations of brain defunction.

Brave new world isn't about sjw or genderism you fucking dipshit. Masturbate in your echo chamber like a retarded baboon and stay stupid

>How do I avoid becoming a bitter ince
Take responsibility for yourself
You are never the sole winner or your victories and you are never the victim of your defeats.
Bitterness is self loathing justifying it's own existence. Analyze setbacks and learn how to avoid them in the future or just bitch about how everything sucks and go nowhere

Not him but,
Brave new world is a 1931 science fiction novel, nothing to do with sjw novels. It's an excellent companion piece to 1984, since that book presents an oppressive government that restrains freedom to the degree of trying to engineer away orgasms, while Brave new world presents a society that controls people with sex and drugs such that they no longer want freedom.

I legit fall into depression if girls refuse to fuck me.

Why do you think you'll be alone?

As you get older girls will be less interested in hooking up and more into long term relationships. Better yourself and find educated girls, too, because they're more likely to look past a conventionally unattractive face. Also, make realistic your own standards which have been warped by image boards and porn.

I know hot guys (fit, muscled, certified 8-10/10's) who in their late 30s started dating 4/10 average girls because of actual comparability, not just godlike physical attraction.

yes, and so can women. being incel can suck, though.

>Why do you think you'll be alone?
Because:
>As you get older girls will be less interested in hooking up and more into long term relationships.
I'm not naive (or cynical I suppose) enough to, at 19, declare that I'll be alone forever, but I do think it'll be a while. So I want to try and avoid becoming a womanhating Jow Forums poster so I don't create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I would also recommend the overlooked novel "We" often touted as the Russian Brave New World

I remember thinking this same exact thought

It gets harder and harder to not sink into the bitterness as the years and failures and heartbreaks add up

That's not very encouraging.

>That's not very encouraging
Only if you plan on giving up
What are you, a quitter?
Go play a "hard" video game and beat it no matter how hard you suck. Take those skills and apply them to life.

I got bored halfway through bloodborne, there's no hope for me is there?

>go play video games and then apply exactly that to the real world

LOL

user with experience chiming in. It's a matter of processing your feelings when they come, practicing introspection, and owning up to you calling the shots in your own life. Sure a handful of people ask out ten girls a week, are on dating sites, have hobbies where they meet people and still don't succeed. But for most people being single is always a combination of factors including personal priorities. E.g. not wanting to do certain things to meet more women (like social activities) because they want to spend more alone time or don't want to sit through five nights they find boring/unpleasant because they might meet someone on the sixth. Or they don't want to date the girl who liked them because they weren't into her enough and holding out for someone else. That's fine, but own up to it. Focusing on your own part has a bad reputation because most people are cowards/complacent and being told that they are in part responsible for being where they are in life makes them upset. But really it's more freeing than anything else. It means you have more things you can control if tomorrow you do decide your priorities are different. And it's a lot easier to not get bitter when you realize you weren't a powerless passenger in life, that things didn't passively happen to you.

Another aspect is realizing what you gained by not dating in this time period. E.g. extra time for friends/family/education, more time to develop yourself without having someone else to fall back on, no relationships that sucked because you were too immature or insecure to recognize a good partner and build a healthy relationship.

Last but not least it also has upsides. Being inexperienced is mostly bad when you're afraid experience won't come. Falling in love for the first time or having a first relationship is grand and many experienced people would pay GOOD money to go in fresh again and have everything feel like the first time.

That was very encouraging.

Did you legitimately get bored?
Or did you adopt a strategy early on and then got frustrated when it wasnt as effective later on?
Did you experiment with different options and try something new when your well tested options didn't work?
Did you try exploring somewhere else when the area you were currently in got too difficult?
If you legitimately got bored, you do you, I'm not gonna pretend Bloodborne is a magic video game everyone will like. But if dropped the game because it required mental effort greater than that of a corpse maybe self reflect on if you're applying that strategy to real life as well and observe how effective it is at achieving happiness.

Sorry, disregard my advice if you are autistic.

Nah man I was super into it, but I had to go back to school and never got back into it.

Love is a chemical reaction in the brain that compels wild animals to breed. Sex is a stimulation of nerve endings which causes the male to fertilize eggs and the female to receive sperm cells more easily.

Actual relationships are boring and useless unless you intend to have kids together. Love is the anticipation of producing offspring together. It observably fades away within about 4 years when the kid is able to follow the adults at a decent pace. After that people stay together out of social pressure.

In a real relationship the female becomes agitated over time after watching her perceived dominant partner grow more docile and begins contemplating how to trade up to a superior mate. The male becomes less promiscuous but still desires to mate with other females if the opportunity presents itself. The female partner will begin creating conflicts for no reason and the male will begin to feel frustrated.

>muh biotruths

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>Love is a chemical reaction in the brain that compels wild animals to breed.
If you're gonna bait us at least don't quote rick & morty in the first line.

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>hehe, facts?
>nice try, but I have a meme picture
>lol
I was saying that shit years before the show came out

Humans think they’re so damn special compared to other organisms, pathetic

Yeah, when my ex left i missed sleeping with her more than having sex with her.

No but you will be worse off in a relationship.

>Humans think they’re so damn special compared to other organisms, pathetic
>has a problem with chemical impulses dictating our behavior
Nice.

>impotent, cucked, sexless, shriveled, useless, old, post-menopausal male
>men
pick one

>muh enlightened nihilism

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This is more like a worst case scenario in LTR's and marriages. If you find someone who is compatible with you i don't believe you are destined to become miserable in your marriage/LTR.

>meme picture and meme post

Opinion discarded
I never said it was instinct for humans to have such high opinions of themselves as a species

>things I dont agree with are memes

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Epic, simply epic

I got a whole lunch break to try and amuse people. What are you getting out of this other than being a sour little faggot?

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If they lead a fulfilling life otherwise, it's just a plus. On it's own it's an empty existence.

>How can a man be miserable about not having these things

I think that's the key. I'm a 26 yo virgin and while I'm certainly not the authority on happiness, I'm still happy to be alive. I feel like I can go my entire life without sex and wouldn't give a fuck. I think its sort of like heroin, as long as you never do it, you won't crave it, but do it once, and you can never come back.

Redpill/MGTOW rhetoric has ruined my perception of relationships, which also helps. I think the glorification of sex and relationships adds to the misery that some guys feel, because they think that's all that they are missing and have this idealized version of relationships in their head, but since I factor in the good and bad aspects of relationships, it makes it easier for me to disregard them.

And lets say for example you died today, but God said you can come back to life but could never have sex or a intimate relationship, how many people would turn that down? Not many because they are gonna think of all the other fun shit they can do like hanging out with friends and family, or simply enjoying nice food and nature. I think being happy as a single virgin is all about appreciating what you already have, I would be so ungrateful if I let not having sex get in the way of enjoying all the good fortune I have.

Amazing answer. Why am I the only reply

Because its boring fence sitting answer, its as bout as enlightening as an agnostics view on god.

you tell me

pic related

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>Can men be happy without sex/intimate relationships?
Can men be happy with sex/intimate relationships?

Cuddling > Sex

all the way

Feels

You mean post-andropausal.

I used to be able to until I met my current gf. The sheer quality of the connection and love we share has rapidly become something I can't live without. If I hadn't have met her, I would have kept bouncing through life in and out of relationships without them being much more than a fun side activity.

Anyone else read threads like these and feel like shunning attempts at relationships?

100%

This.

I tried for a long long time to just be single and be happy.

It doesn't work my friends. You can't drink sand and tell yourself it's water.

We need women. We need a good one. And you gotta lock them down and make them love you. That's life.

Exactly this.

Porn can't provide intimacy, only virtual sex. Over time it leaves you more and more lonely.

>We need women. We need a good one.

Explain priest/monks/nuns

I think you guys are just weak and unappreciative.

No. Being human is having experiences, never feeling love when its all around you makes you feel less than human.

>never feeling love when its all around you makes you feel less than human
It's really not all around you when you're a guy. I didn't even have support from my family who constantly criticized me and the "friends" I had in school, chose to not invite me to stuff they did. But I'm now in a better place in terms of not caring about it and even had a gf 2 years ago.

Keep telling yourself that lie. You'll be driven to suicide.

I have a feeling my grandpa is still more man than you'll ever be, sorry dude

To me sex is a need like getting a massage is a need. I find other things like competing to be the best at something more stimulating.

>when its all around you
uh huh, thanks for your input Stacy

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