SPARTA

Oh and also because Athena beats Ares, read Cryptonomicon

Death cult? There main army almost never fought in case of helot revolt..

They avoided fighting even in middle of battles. Didn't remember what battle where they fought with Atheans and other city states, where they where sacrifing goats waiting "sing for god" aka let the rest allied army engange and crush weakest side taking glory

Didnt we do the same with Niggers?

Unironically this

They may have been chads but Alexander the Great was a megachad

>Shouldn't the Most Alpha/Chad society be the ones that dominate the world? Why dont we force kids into mandatory military training at a young age?

they allowed women to inherent the property of their husbunds who died in war. this happened all the time. the economic power of their nation was unsurprisingly shit for century's. that and dual kings meant to stave of dictatorship was too expensive to justify.

Rampant homo-sex

They paid too little attention to IQ and innovation. You need balance. They focused on marital skill and physical toughness as the sole determinant of worth. Other cultures as one of the other posters said developed navies, military strategy, new technologies, ect. It's pretty simple really.

Are Faggots the real chads?

Was that who conquered them? Wasn't Alexander The Great a Homosexual?

money was in the form of iron blocks, don't want the material. Plus the Helots were slaves so they could focus on training

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Spartan army was under 1000-2000 men that time and there was nothing value to get from sparta, than helots and farming lands.

>They were weak on the water, if memory serves

They were able to put to together a fleet with Persian subsidies that not only challenged Athenian naval supremacy but defeated it.

No artillery, refused to use bows or any long range weapons.

This. They were effectively a matriarchal society. Shockingly they failed. Who would've thunk it.

Werent they all gay and practiced ritualized child sexual abuse?

>Sparta failed because they couldn't field enough troops against Athens. Plus as time went on a whole generation of Athenians grew up with war. While the Athenians+allies were not as well trained or disciplined as the Spartans, they were not that much worse. Plus Athens+allies pumped out way more soldiers.
>Athens had a better navy too.

Sparta won the Peloponnese War, entering decades of Lakedaimonian hegemony. Sparta didn't fail because of Athens. Athens declined before Sparta did.

You some kind of Persian faggot?

>Was that who conquered them? Wasn't Alexander The Great a Homosexual?

The Makedonians ignored Lakedaimonia and didn't conquer it. It was just a small country with no real wealth and strange customs by that time.

>Shouldn't the Most Alpha/Chad society be the ones that dominate the world? Why dont we force kids into mandatory military training at a young age?
>Are we wrong about Masculinity? Are we wrong about Male dominated society's and social structures?

Sparta was eclipsed by other Patriarchial societies.

Because they fought with other Greek Chads over minor territorial disputes instead of focusing on the big picture. Because they used slave labor instead of reproducing lots of their own people and having them work.

Chad's are too bulky to swim

>they allowed women to inherent the property of their husbunds who died in war. this happened all the time. the economic power of their nation was unsurprisingly shit for century's. that and dual kings meant to stave of dictatorship was too expensive to justify.

This is one of the big factors. The Spartans weren't even a nation. The Spartans were the Spartiate, a single class within the Lakedaimonian city-state. They were a land-owning and martial caste. One which declined demographically due to misplaced ideals.

All Jow Forums will be dead on birth anyway

So who fucking conquered them?

they didnt had economic ambitions
they didnt pursue real alliances with others because they tought of them as lesser
they never really tried to conquer greece to begin with

and bad luck

How was it a death cult? Because they were a warrior society? Tons of nations in human history have been warrior societies. That doesnt make them death cults.

you still look the same as any other human. all humans are the same if not they all look the same if you look closely. eyes and hair shouldn't even be a factor. we are fucke.d

the storyline is it goes into singualirity and then
seperates. it goes back into one and seperates
again. you know the storyline. it is beauty in
everyones eyes

What I find hilarious is how China is the oldest empire on earth and they have NEVER once even come close to a world domination. How the fuck does that even happen?

>not completely take over the world
Spartans were modest
Nice try Shlomo, shifting the shear faggotry of Sodom and Gommorah and Israel to other countries past and present. kys

The inbreeding led to its downfall

Unlike nazi germanys 80m, spartas population was held very small, therefore the genetically superior ended up breeding with their close relatives in the end. Not to mention that they spent way too little care on intelligence, resulting in no improvement in war tactics unlike the competition

2 populations existed in Spartan society - the Spartan ruling class and a massive slave class (Helots). For whatever reason, the Spartan ruling class stopped reproducing and therefore their armys shrunk.
Aristotle pointed to the Spartans' willingness to give their women land rights as a variable that would eventually take them down. I imagine the falling birthrate likely had something to do with this land rights law. Afterall remember, the birthrate is inversely proportional to womens' economic and educational empowerment.
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>touchuing dicks is final redpill
>you made my day

>So who fucking conquered them?

They were a backwards little, oddity of a state until they were integrated into the Roman Empire. By that time the rest of Greece was under Roman control and they were more or less annexed while maintaining special privileges.

Simple. Manpower. Their population growth was nil, while Athens and then Rome was growing incredibly. It's easier to make men out of neets than it was mass murdering people or turning people into useless slaves. Spartan society was unsustainable.

they never tried

they are the biggest and for the longest time unified region in history however

see how quickly the world is changing thanks to them

>How did the most Masculine Society, a Nation of the most Chad McGappingtons, in human history, that was dedicated to turning its males into the most superior warrior on earth, not completely take over the world?

They did not reproduce fast enough, so they were taken over by their slaves the Helots

Because the Helots (slave class) outnumbered the Spartans greatly and did most of the work.

Also, a war based economy isn't sustainable over time. The more territory you cover the more complicated it gets to administer, the more your forces are depleted, lose momentum or are replaced with less interested parties.

Athens > Sparta anyway. Immense naval and trading power, higher culture.

Exposing babies isn't BASED, it's a reflection of the material realities of the time. We don't have to kill potatoes anymore.

So women over time ruined the state and there weren't enough men to lead ?

Their society was fundamentally broken on an institutional level, and on top of that it was only spartan propaganda that painted themselves as invincible warriors. Prior to Thermopylae the argonians were considered the best fighters in Greece. On a societal level the "elite spartan warriors" were members of the elite landowning class, who ruled over a vast underclass of slaves, which meant that their numbers were never very large. On top of that women could inherit property, so over time women inherited large amounts of land and so the recruitment pool became ever smaller. Spartan society was extremely conservative, it was basically impossible to get any reforms passed because so much power was placed in the hands of the old conservative warrior class, they were the only ones who could cause any change in policy so spartan society stagnated easily. All of these issues came to ahead when the spartans lost a single large battle against Thebes, which as a result of their societal and military organisation meant that the large loss of young fighting men effectively broke the back of sparta completely and it was never able to recover.

Because they were actually massively cucked by their women:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epikleros

>In ancient Sparta, women had extensive rights, including the right to inherit property and to manage their own and their spouse's property.

Here's how it went

>Woman marries Spartan man
>He dies in battle
>She is sole inheritor of all his shit.
>She remarries
>Rinse and repeat until...
>She dies
>Her eldest daughter inherits

This system led to fucking huge amounts of wealth and property in the hands of a few women. Who wielded massive political and social force as a result.

The 'Spartan Heiresses' caused Sparta to stagnate. Because they would essentially veto and new laws or ventures that could threaten their power and wealth.

Spartans had to fuck their new wives from behind for a while to get used to fucking women after so many years of fuckibg dudes.

Also spartan women had an incredible amount of power. They inherited their husbands wealth if he died in battle and we're aloud more freedom with the wealth than men.

If you wanted political power you had to suck up tonthe rich widows

ur just making bullshit. fuck you.

>ctrl+f earthquake
>nothing
they had a fucking earthquake around the time they also got their shit pushed in by mainly thebans. their economy and political system had some flaws, there were attempts at checks and balances but they weren't fluid enough to matter if enough people simply didn't want any changes made. but really it was the earthquake that totally fucked them up.

>Athens had a better navy too

Good points, but i think your foot note should have been you first and main points. You can't defend everything. And a navy can travel faster than a marching army, Athenian navy constant raiding of Spartan shore and food supply brought the Spartans too their knees on many occasion. A counter attack would have been suicide due to the Athenian wall leading to their port. Plus Athenian diplomacy/hegemony
The list goes on..

Kek. The Spartan were destroy by, literally, the most degenerate of the Ancient Greek cities, the Thebans, who worshiped and created the cult of Dionysus (drinking and fucking) and celebrated Pederasty (boy rape).

Really what said.

I'm sorry, memeflag, was it not in one of your computer games?

No. They are fucking insectoid race who are just Asian Jews and probably even more Jewish than Actual Jews.

China needs to be purged with nuclear weapons.

There was never glorius last fight. It was shadow of former glory at times of Alexander.

Who conquered Soviet Union?

Funnily enough the Athenians also built a Wall...

The reference in the film that refers to the Athenians as 'boy lovers' overlooks that pederasty was also common in Sparta.

i think he won that one without fighting, just rolled in and claimed it the wars with athens didn't hellp..

Everyone in this thread is repeating their own agenda since the core issue, inbreeding, contradicts their racial ideology

There were more women because they weren’t sorted out as quickly as men. The belief was that fathers’ genes almost entirely ‘create’ the child while women merely offer the feeding-apparatus for its development

The answer is Interrnational money interests.

degenerates are the true chads of the world
they created rome, the us and the ussr

if a superpower you want to be a degenarate you must be

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>t. boxwine drunk magapede

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>Athens > Sparta anyway. Immense naval and trading power, higher culture.

Sparta beat Athens. Athens declined before Sparta did. The Spartans won the Peloponnese War. There was a period of Spartan hegemony and then followed by a period of Theban hegemony after the decline of Sparta. Then there was no real power in Hellas until the Makedonians took over most of it.

spartan hegemony was maintained by the persians. Ultimately athens remained relevant for longer than sparta. Macedon literally didnt even bother to conquer sparta because it was so out of the way and weak and not particularly rich.

It's the same cycle with every civilization

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These are some big blanket statements, leaf. Greece was a small, mountainous, not especially resource rich region of warring city states. Considering this they projected a lot of combined power and Greek colonists in Asia minor helped establish a trading empire. To speak of it in reductive terms pre Alexander is to simply show the gaps in your knowledge.

The Thebans also fought for Persia as mercenaries.

Also, Amerifats, the Spartans did bumlove on the down low just like everyone else...

The Spartans really weren't that great if there "DUR LOOK HOW TUFF I AM" civilization didn't last very long. Turns out you need other people than just Chad for society to fucking function. Sparta didn't get this and so history erased Sparta.

Sparta represents false alphahood and shallow masculinity. Not real alphahood and masculinity.

See that's interesting because I think that played into. The females want their fucking Chad and were trying to force everyone to be Chad, they got what was coming to them too. Proving how much "masculinity" is just "PUSSY PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE APPROVE OF ME" in history.

If the Spartans put forth the same effort of MIND as well as BODY they could have survived. But the realm of the body-only is the realm of the female and the one of utter failure in the end.

>spartan hegemony was maintained by the persians. Ultimately athens remained relevant for longer than sparta.

By that time Athens was hardly any more relevant than other poleis in Hellas.

Says the leaf in his Western country

Sorry, former, Western country

>These are some big blanket statements, leaf. Greece was a small, mountainous, not especially resource rich region of warring city states. Considering this they projected a lot of combined power and Greek colonists in Asia minor helped establish a trading empire. To speak of it in reductive terms pre Alexander is to simply show the gaps in your knowledge.

I meant that there was no single dominant power in Hellas after the Theban hegemony, until unification under Philip of Makedon.

Athenians were just fucking modern day liberals though

>Says the leaf in his Western country
>Sorry, former, Western country

The revolutionary accomplishments of Athens were achieved before Spartan hegemony.

athens was relevant enough to be part of the league of corinth, the essential puppet states of macedon used to project macedonian power of the greek peninsular. Sparta was so irrelevant macedon couldnt even be bothered to puppet it.

I would refine that out of respect for Spartan martial prowess. A society built on violence or militarism cannot do so endlessly because you come into contact with other limitations, peoples, it's an exhaustive process, resource-wise and becomes a bureaucratic nightmare.

The same thing happened with the Mongols. Bogged down with actually having to maintain all of that territory, their horsemanship wasn't worth shit.

>Sparta failed because they couldn't field enough troops against Athens. Plus as time went on a whole generation of Athenians grew up with war. While the Athenians+allies were not as well trained or disciplined as the Spartans, they were not that much worse. Plus Athens+allies pumped out way more soldiers.

Sparta was not defeated by Athens. It slowly declined until it was an irrelevant little town with odd customs.

But Thebans are acknowledged to be the city that invented, socialized and normalized it. Its part of their mythos.

spartans ruled through puppet states, they only annexed one piece of territory if I recall correctly, and that was where they got their helots from

This is a meme that should probably die. You are cutting yourself out of a dimensional existence if you think living in a military dictatorship will address all of your problems, or that living outside of one equates to liberality.

The Spartans certainly didn't mind abortion.
They certainly had a taste for cum.
Stop looking at things from your Current Year perspective.

>so history erased sparta

Um I'm not sure you worded that correctly because there's obviously a reason we will know about them and are talking about them in 2019.

Dude they lasted about 400 years. Not bad for any civilization

>athens was relevant enough to be part of the league of corinth, the essential puppet states of macedon used to project macedonian power of the greek peninsular. Sparta was so irrelevant macedon couldnt even be bothered to puppet it.

This is true, but that just means that Athens was at least as important as the other poleis. It was probably the most affluent among them but we're looking at the dominant power here. The hegemonic power at this time is Makedon.

Sure but that period though not marked with 'greatness' was also probably where Greek ideas spread through colonisation in Italy and Asia minor and all of the good, civilised things that came with it.

Alexander didn't invade sparta out of respect.
He actually held an audience with a spartan emmissary.
He stated "If I decided to move against sparta, I'd annex it in a single day"
The emmissary replied in laconic fashion "If."

Alexander decided against it and sparta remained sovereign until the era of the Diadochi, after alexander died.

That's the efficient 'Chinese model' of being the biggest bully on the playground. But it still begs the question what a military society is FOR, and how it can sustain itself with or without engagement.

their legacy is mainly propaganda, they never actually created any lasting institutions or projected power or culture

Women owned 40% of the land in sparta due to the govt giving free land to citizens and inheritance rights. It's part of a recognizable pattern

Sparta kept killing their own young according to their warrior customs and their culture was completely reliant on a growing slave population which they were losing the capacity to subjugate. Finally, the demographics swung hard enough that the spartans were butchered by their slaves; just like white americans will be butchered by their spic laborers if the globalhomo neocucks and the honorable senators from Israel keep preventing the enforcement of border and immigration laws.

If we read Herodotus, we hear that the Egyptians shat in their houses but ate on the street, preferring to do that which was unclean in private. Some of these ancient myths are propaganda.

I'd say that there was a certain amount of smelly finger pointing on that topic.

yeah no shit its just sparta faded into obscurity long before athens did.

tributary states arent puppet states but whatever. Sparta ruled through forced military alliances basically, wealth never flowed from the city states to sparta, its just the city states had to join in all of spartas wars.

Ironically, they gave women too much power.

Beta uprising.

I don't have respect for their marital prowess since they didn't make good use of it.

And the Mongols were actually better for the world than a lot of people realized, they literally united areas, made roads for trade and all that. But the third generation rulling China were a bunch of assholes who didn't keep up the empire so they got overthrown in a coup and we get to here only how bad the Mongols were...

This is what I mean. They're history, that's it. They didn't survive very long. We learn what NOT TO DO from them if anything.

not really out of respect, the population of sparta was always small and by the time of alexander was so small that they were completely irrelevant, he would much rather spend time subduing more relevant states and then heading off to persia to make a big fuck off empire than fuck around in the south of greece subduing what was essentially only a small town at that point.

because the (((athenian))) faggots fucked everything up

>nothing of value
>have slaves
>have farms
You know Greece is one giant fucking rock except for the Peloponese right?