Currently reading neitzche’s “Human, all too human”. In his chapter on marriage and women he wrote the following.
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Women's period of storm and stress. In the three or four civilized European countries, one can in a few centuries educate women to be anything one wants, even men--not in the sexual sense, of course, but certainly in every other sense. At some point, under such an influence, they will have taken on all male virtues and strengths, and of course they will also have to take male weaknesses and vices into the bargain. This much, as I said, one can bring about by force. But how will we endure the intermediate stage it brings with it, which itself can last a few centuries, during which female follies and injustices, their ancient birthright, still claim predominance over everything they will have learned or achieved? This will be the time when anger will constitute the real male emotion, anger over the fact that all the arts and sciences will be overrun and clogged up by shocking dilettantism; bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way. For if women had their greatest power in custom, where will they not have to reach to achieve a similar abundance of power again, after they have given up custom?
He wrote this shit in 1878. I have never heard such an accurate description of the exact issues society is facing with women taking social power, and it was written in 1878.
Yeah they’re running the same divide and conquer shit that they did back then. Adding the terfs and trannies is probably a new one, but they’re using the same playbook otherwise. Of course it helps if the media can come up with thousands of fake, staged or overblown examples
Henry Hughes
>and it was written in 1878 you could go more than two millennia prior to that and you'll find the same stuff, but treated as comedy
Benjamin Walker
Whats interesting to me is that he said that it will last a few centuries, I would love to be able to pick his brain about what he thinks the catalyst will be that will return society to how it was meant to be, or does he mean that that is how long it will take for men to just give up?
Matthew Young
Neitzche was the original MGTOW. So Schlomo's bitch and babies first edgy philosopher.
Sounds like the ramblings of an incel loser. Women are smart strong and independent and capable of doing anything a man can if not more.
If you believe any of this then you're probably a virgin.
Levi Russell
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Kayden Ortiz
Not even remotely true, most of his chapter about women and marriage has to do with fostering a healthy marriage and the yin yang of the sexes working together. This passage actually stands out quite a bit with how critical it is of womens failings.
Yes they do. My parents have been together for 40 years and I have never seen a happier couple. Traditional families with children are very happy and loving.
Liam Morgan
Aristotle and Plato literally said the exact same thing over and over again. In the freaking Iliad, written over 3000 years ago, the same sentiment is felt. Women are demonic gates to hell if not kept in check by virile men.
Liam Carter
It basically means that no matter how educated a woman becomes she is still a woman. He then predicts a future in which educated women take over all the spheres previously dominated by men and the entire world goes to shit for a few hundred years.
It’s more of a prophecy than anything.
Samuel Gomez
shiiieeett
Parker Bailey
So he's saying this will eventually be beneficial post-transition? We're not going to make it to post-transition. They are going to cause this society to buckle before that point.
Nathaniel Campbell
Nietzsche was brilliant, yet he wasn't ahead of his time per se. Many civilizations have seen this happens for millennia on millennia. 1878 wasn't that long ago, even in the bs fictitious history they indoctrinate kids with
There isn’t a single sniff poster in this whole fucking thread? What the fuck is happening to this place?
Daniel White
Well I’m hoping for the curtain be lifted in a Q fashion and for people to realise how much of the conflict is fake. As a femanon I was told men wanted university educated independent women for wives, and I find they don’t. Many single women are still confused about this. Every woman I know wanted to be a stay at home mum when their kids came along despite being told that children were a necessary chore to be squeezed in while working in a fulfilling career. Women are now going back to cooking as society has told women that learning to cook and sew and run a house was for morons who could never get a real job. The biggest lie has been telling women that men don’t have a protective instinct and are actually all threatening or dangerous- especially the ones you actually know. I could drone on forever. Both sides have been lied to and both sides pretty much want the same things
Joseph Ortiz
Its actually common sense
Jace Williams
Nietzche should be required reading for high schoolers. He's easily in the top five smartest people to have ever lived.
Ian Turner
It's not about catalysts. Societal and culture shifts take a long, long time and Nietzche understood that. Remember that we think of communist revolutions threatening to take over the world as a 20th Century phenomenon, but they actually started at the end of the 18th, followed several centuries of peasant and burgher rebellions, and crystalized into what we think of as communism by the late 19th.
Elijah Stewart
>read Zarathustra Can you believe I have a Hardcover copy of this and I've yet to read it? How big of a faggot am I?
David Sanders
Nah he a fag
Michael Richardson
The fruit of the harvest is not the sowing of the harvest.
The thing that I think has created the most destruction is the state replacing fathers, as it becomes easier and easier to be a single mother there is less incentive to actually seek out a mate for life and more incentive to just sleep around. Men are less inclined to marriage anyways so once women stop caring then nobody cares.
Generation after generation of boys and girls supported by the state without fathers is what worries me the most.
Justin Howard
>t. christcuck
Nietzsche was the philosopher being national socialism.
>tfw can't enjoy Nietzsche anymore because Heidegger btfo all of his mistakes
Jordan Perry
That's not how digits work. Read digits from right to left.
Christopher Kelly
Words are tools. It doesn't matter who's right, only what changes it triggers.
Noah Ramirez
>tfw you will never laugh at women through Aristophane's plays performed at the odeon in the comfort of your democratic, xenophobic polis why even live lads
Christian Gutierrez
>you could go more than two millennia prior to that and you'll find the same stuff, but treated as comedy
Nietzsche's words trigger a short reset but ultimately will lead to a disaster, namely the will to power eternally recurring, forever. Nietzsche tried to overcome Western metaphysics but instead created the ultimate, final, unstoppable deathlord of Western metaphysics
Joshua Sullivan
no im "happy" to hear. Your story is different.
Samuel Ward
>It basically means that no matter how educated a woman becomes she is still a woman.
The only problem i have with women is that they are just as egotistical as men. Both sexes are competing instead of loving. humans r trash bro
Connor Barnes
>bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way. For if women had their greatest power in custom, where will they not have to reach to achieve a similar abundance of power again, after they have given up custom? Well.. He wasn't wrong.
>That one guy who wants to talk shop but can't because women are around with their inability to understand the purpose of encapsulation getting in the way
Poor guy.
Ian Richardson
1.) Good post. I've read the first part and got into the second. My stance on women is this - I agree with his sentiment, especially the part which states that women can become whatever the man molds her to. Let me expand upon this and let's see what you anons think. Women have become more masculine than ever. Women nowadays operate on an egocentric basis (that is, they base their opinion of what the majority thinks, not on what makes sense to them. Examples - peer pressure, trend obsession, social media, fashion, make up. Women love to validated, and this can lead to them filing for divorce because "my friends said this and that and so now you are a disgusting pig etc".
Jaxson Walker
2.) To mold women you need to change the society in which they exist, otherwise, when she will be molded by her man(if so happens), she will be called "weird", said that her husband is a manipulator, even if he turned her into something that outshined her former self. This will be said primarily by women, because women are much more perceptive by nature (evidence given by "The definitive book to body language by Allan and Barbara Peas") and thus will be more open to say such to another woman. For eg, women will be first to spot (or care) if someone looks fatter, (talks about it then by the fattened person's back to another woman) and will ask in turn if she looks fat by her husband. When the husband says "I like you at any size", she might, like the modern woman, say something like: "oh, I'm only doing this for myself!" And in all reality she is doing this to not be judged by other women, that is, for her insecurities and to not feel bad (since women are feeling oriented). The different case is the feminist who will "not care" that she is fat, but in fact she only cares that it is ok, as her feminist community says it is ok. Women are incapable of independent thought, simply said. It's also a reason why you will never see an authentic rebel female, as a true rebel doesn't rebell to appease a collective. Might explain the centuries thing.
Julian Stewart
it is when it is trapped inside Western materialism and the technological epoch, my dude. Struggle is supposed to bring us closer to God, not further away
Asher Scott
All women want a man and a father for their children. Women don’t really want to sleep around either. The problem is that propaganda has convinced women that marriage is a trap and if they’re not careful they will be living with a violent man and unable to leave because they have children and could only get a minimum wage job anyway unless they’ve established a career etc etc. By eroding the extended family, too much pressure is placed on nuclear families, and mothers in particular and its hard for people to stay committed through the stress. They have first isolated the nuclear family from their extended support families, now they are dividing the nuclear family by encouraging quick divorce. It’s a god awful cycle of isolation stress and misery for everyone. I’m pretty hopeful there’s going to be swing back to basics anyway just because it can’t go on like this. Women really do want the same as men
Nathaniel Martinez
Well said. It's true. Women do not think independently. Men will revolt even if only death awaits them if the cause is right, women capitulate at the first sign of resistance.
Jose Rivera
What kind of God? How do you know God doesn't like struggle? Take a look at the wild, it's pretty much unadulterated violence. We only made it to this stage in evolution by stepping on countless species and thanks to incalculable suffering we inflicted on other animals.
I don't deny that there's a whole world beyond the material world, but if you want to play in the material world, then you play by its rules. What comes beyond is useless speculation unless you can find any application, and then it stops being beyond because it actively interacts with us.
Daniel Campbell
The only logically coherent spiritualism is that this world is hell and transcendental religions are paths of purgatory.
Aaron Perez
God, to me, represents an ideal one can be more like but never really achieve as God is merely a hypothetical.
Ian Gray
Why would a person that truly believes that care about politics though? Do you want to make hell more livable?
Benjamin Diaz
There's no ideal without survival. There's no survival without struggle. Ideal is a luxury that we can afford.
Cooper Hernandez
Why would you not want to do whatever you can to make your current plane of existence more livable?
Mason James
read Heidegger boys, the most important philosopher of the last 100 years by far and still nobody is taking his advice
Because you can exit your current plane in 1 second if you want to.
What guarantee do you have that suicide is wrong?
Carson Rogers
Why should I?
Lucas Gutierrez
Why would a god that creates a hell give people a path out after more than 90,000 years of trapping human beings in it? I didn't say it was believable, I said it was logically coherent.
Nietzche was a materialist, like all wise people. This is the world we have. Our ancestors have proven that we can make it livable, if not a paradise.
Ethan Anderson
Newfag
Logan Myers
>Women do not think independently yes this is also the reason why they will never have huge scientific achievements. They cant be social outcast as all pioneers. Socializing consumes their times. We man are pretty fine completely alone but women just sob in this condition
Samuel Gutierrez
>neitzche underrated af
Lucas Mitchell
He's like Heraclitus, without the ancient prose
Joshua Gomez
There's a trillion of metaphysical explanations for existence that are coherent. Ranging from self-organizing ones to conspiracy ones, you can pick whatever you want.
I do have a question about the conspiracy ones though, in which I include any one in which we were created and we're here to grow/be punished: Why take it? Just because they're your creators, it doesn't make it moral for them to restrict your liberty.
Cameron Roberts
ignorant comment. Nietzsche was not a materialist, he only became one by accident when he tried to overcome Materialism with his "philosophy of the future." He failed, despite his best efforts. He tears down materialism and scientism throughout his later works, especially Thus Spake Zarathustra
Isaiah Gray
>He tears down materialism and scientism throughout his later works, especially Thus Spake Zarathustra This is as wishful as the proto-Nazi hypothesis.
Jonathan Carter
the claim that "all wise people" are materialists in incredibly wishful. Almost everyone prior to Descartes, going back to Plato and beyond, believed in some sort of God. Plato himself believed that the forms were *more real* than the material world, and that God ("the form of the Good") was the most real Form.
Aaron Hall
There's an infinite number of paths between my house and the one next door. The materialist walks. The foolish materialist takes a plan around the planet. Spiritualists have infinite more paths, all of which involve using fantastical mental powers. Only one spiritualist path is logically coherent: the mind sends signals to the muscles that somehow make the body move to the neighbors house. That doesn't make the spiritualist right, nor does it make the infinite fantasy paths possible.
Joseph Clark
Not to mention that modern parapsychology found several holes that bring into question the consistency of the materialist narrative. But it's not meaningful enough to have any application, so at the end you're left with a very realistic materialist illusion, and a beyond that's almost unknowable. Will you fight? Or will you escape through the exit door?
Any sufficiently complicated conspiracy doesn't have any logical incoherence. There's no guarantee that the real explanation is a straight line to your neighbor's house.
Asher Wood
Sorry I don't speak or read ching-chong >trusting chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals anyway weak argument desu
Jaxon Peterson
It's not weak. It's the essence of metaphysics. If you aren't willing to question the chemicals in your brain, you shouldn't bother with these discussions in the first place.
Dylan Ramirez
They spoke from a perspective from which we are ignorant to and we speak from a point from which they were ignorant to. What they referred to as God nowadays we refer to a "simulation" similar to the Matrix. A God can also be an ideal of what one can be (but not achieve fully, knowingly). One can be so materialistic before it becomes degenerate. Materialism should be used to advantage one. If one becomes too materialistic, it is for his hedonistic desires. There is always too much of a good thing, as having too much of something changes it's realtion towards what it previously benefited. The final solution to this is balance.
Jacob Flores
Misogyny was an excellent invention for women to cover up their true nature to advance for power while being able to quash resistance.
Sebastian Adams
Marriage is a cultural technology, which creates a stable environment to raise children, and curb hypergamy, by allowing all men a chance for their genes to be passed on. Also for an agricultural society rather than a tribal society.
Luis Morales
>There's no guarantee that the real explanation is a straight line to your neighbor's house.
What is your logic and reasoning behind your claim?
Landon Richardson
It seems so accurate only because it is so vague. Everything resembles everything else in one way or another as long as you don't point out the differences.
Alexander Long
>Nietzsche* He is?
Luke Allen
That's right. While the simplest assumption is to say that this universe is the very base reality, the odds are infinite to one that it isn't, with the assumption that embedded realities can be created within base reality.
Thomas Rodriguez
I agree. It was a tool to guilttrip men to give up their power. They ignored reason and gave in to their feelings, which is a female trait. Men had become too feminine as agression has been passed on and allowed to be for females. Aggression of a male is shameful, so feminists say. Aggression of a woman is a sign of empowerment so feminists say. In reality, aggression can be both a wise thing to do as well as an uwise thing to do. Much like dancing in a dance competition is wise and on top of a train is unwise - it is the context and reason for why an action takes place on which we determine the wiseness of an action, long and short term-wise.
Christian Smith
How about stopping drooling over historical imagery and actually starting to think on your own?
Cameron Cooper
Shockingly sane and sober commentary.
I know that it completely describes my situation. If we didn't have my parents (divorced, of course) taking our kid twice a week, the strain would be almost unbearable.
Add to it the ridiculous cost of housing and childcare, and the eternally stagnant value of wages, you've got a generation of parents pushed to the brink.
How many saw their parents marriages survive moderate stress? How many were raised by patient yet firm men and nurturing yet trusting women?
It's a bad mix. No wonder so many people think that they can't have kids and be happy and successful.
Elijah Thompson
men are like this too, most people are. the majority of people cannot go against the grain or separate from the herd
