The left is moving toward outright open borders while Trump cannot even get simple border wall funding after two years. What the fuck is going wrong?
There’s Nothing Wrong With Open Borders: Why a brave Democrat should make the case for vastly expanding immigration.
>Jan. 16, 2019
>The internet expands the bounds of acceptable discourse, so ideas considered out of bounds not long ago now rocket toward widespread acceptability. See: cannabis legalization, government-run health care, white nationalism and, of course, the flat-earthers.
>Yet there’s one political shore that remains stubbornly beyond the horizon. It’s an idea almost nobody in mainstream politics will address, other than to hurl the label as a bloody cudgel.
>I’m talking about opening up America’s borders to everyone who wants to move here.
>Imagine not just opposing President Trump’s wall but also opposing the nation’s cruel and expensive immigration and border-security apparatus in its entirety. Imagine radically shifting our stance toward outsiders from one of suspicion to one of warm embrace. Imagine that if you passed a minimal background check, you’d be free to live, work, pay taxes and die in the United States. Imagine moving from Nigeria to Nebraska as freely as one might move from Massachusetts to Maine.
>There’s a witheringly obvious moral, economic, strategic and cultural case for open borders, and we have a political opportunity to push it. As Democrats jockey for the presidency, there’s room for a brave politician to oppose President Trump’s racist immigration rhetoric not just by fighting his wall and calling for the abolishment of I.C.E. but also by making a proactive and affirmative case for the vast expansion of immigration.
>It would be a change from the stale politics of the modern era, in which both parties agreed on the supposed wisdom of “border security” and assumed that immigrants were to be feared.
>As an immigrant, this idea confounds me. My family came to the United States from our native South Africa in the late 1980s. After jumping through lots of expensive and confusing legal hoops, we became citizens in 2000. Obviously, it was a blessing: In rescuing me from a society in which people of my color were systematically oppressed, America has given me a chance at liberty.
>But why had I deserved that chance, while so many others back home — because their parents lacked certain skills, money or luck — were denied it?
>When you see the immigration system up close, you’re confronted with its bottomless unfairness. The system assumes that people born outside our borders are less deserving of basic rights than those inside. My native-born American friends did not seem to me to warrant any more dignity than my South African ones; according to this nation’s founding documents, we were all created equal. Yet by mere accident of geography, some were given freedom, and others were denied it.
>“When you start to think about it, a system of closed borders begins to feel very much like a system of feudal privilege,” said Reece Jones, a professor of geography at the University of Hawaii who argues that Democrats should take up the mantle of open borders. “It’s the same idea that there’s some sort of hereditary rights to privilege based on where you were born.”
>I admit the politics here are perilous. Although America’s borders were open for much of its history — if your ancestors came here voluntarily, there’s a good chance it was thanks to open borders — restrictions on immigration are now baked so deeply into our political culture that any talk of loosening them sparks anger.
>People worry that immigrants will bring crime, even though stats show immigrants are no more dangerous than natives. People worry they’ll take jobs away from native workers, even though most studies suggests that immigration is a profound benefit to the economy, and there’s little evidence it hurts native workers. And if we worry that they’ll hoover up welfare benefits, we can impose residency requirements for them.
>But these are all defensive arguments, and when you’re on defense, you’re losing. For opponents of the president’s xenophobic policies, a better plan is to make the affirmative case for a lot more immigrants.
>Economically and strategically, open borders isn’t just a good plan — it’s the only chance we’ve got. America is an aging nation with a stagnant population. We have ample land to house lots more people, but we are increasingly short of workers. And on the global stage, we face two colossi — India and China — which, with their billions, are projected to outstrip American economic hegemony within two decades.
>How will we ever compete with such giants? The same way we always have: by inviting the world’s most enthusiastic and creative people — including the people willing to walk here, to risk disease and degradation and death to land here — to live out their best life under liberty.
>A new migrant caravan is forming in Honduras, and the president is itching for the resulting political fight.
>Here’s hoping Democrats respond with creativity and verve. Not just “No wall.” Not just “Abolish ICE.”
>Instead: “Let them in.”
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Jaxon Richardson
>Farhad Manjoo the memes write themselves
YOU SEE PIC RELATED? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>New York Times Top Ten Places Needing a Truck Bomb
Yes. I said that, ATF and FBI. Why don't you fed guys do us a spot and blow those commie shit to kingdom come for us? I mean I assume the ATF can legally blow up the NY Times. You legally burned women and children alive, remember?
Shhhh goyi--guy, you don't want the FBI to think our humble political forum which had been all but explicitly declared as an enemy of the state are the bad goys do you?
Nolan Sanchez
>larping cuckfederate
Carson Hughes
it ain't legal to blast beans yet, dumbass
Nicholas Jenkins
>Nebraska Fuck off we're full
Jordan Taylor
haven't these retards been screaming for weeks that "no one wants open borders" ?
Adrian Ward
Even libs are calling him naive and foolish.
Joshua Nelson
No. That's why I asked the feds to blow up the NY Times for us. Then it's legal, and thus good. Anything the government does is good.
Just drop a JDAM on those fucking assholes. Shit when you've blown up the World Trade Center, what's a fucking newspaper?
Connor Rogers
And it's never going to be, so what's your point? This same kind of tough-talking Boomer-tier blather has been around for decades, and it has never led to anything. Boomers in 90's-era militias talked about "keeping the government in check," and then stood down and groveled once the Patriot Act was passed a few years later. Nobody cares about online LARP'y tough-talking faggotry anymore. All it does it look pathetic when compared to the actual observable reality of the situation.
Camden Rivera
lmao bro have you been to grand island recently, it's just like visiting mexico now
Logan Butler
FUCK immigration, FUCK H1B poojeets, FUCK L1A faggots, FUCK O1s, FUCK R1s. OH AND MOST OF ALL FUCK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
>Imagine that if you passed a minimal background check, you’d be free to live, work, pay taxes and die in the United States. These cunts always leave out the massive amount of bennies these parasites suck up, not to mention destroying the wages of the working class as well as culture and national unity by refusing to learn English and openly shitting on the country they moved to and the white founding stock that created it. Fuck Jews and fuck all immigrants.
based zetas, i know some people we should be caputura and ejectuaing
Aaron Watson
Here's a reality you don't observe. Hunting brown people is actually easy. Basically you kidnap one or a few darkies(beans, nigs, whatever) and you take em out on an airboat, chained up of course, and set em loose out in the swamp and give them a minute's head start. Then you go hunt them and kill them. The gators take care of the meat so there's no bodies.
Best part? Because niggers and illegals don't like cops, they don't file missing-persons reports.
The author's name is Farhad Manjoo... Not even from the united states.
Wyatt Sullivan
Open borders means one way movement, because brown people can't into civilization. Same with UN, human rights and refugee treaties. All they are is a way for brown people to claim rights within white countries. Does anyone seriously think that if Europe is destroyed Pakistan will offer white people refugee status, and housing and food, etc. All international treaties have to go.
Liam Smith
i guess we could go live in outer space
Anthony Ortiz
These things begin slowly and then become more and more "acceptable" to "the mainstream." In the US, for example, we had a DEMOCRAT President (Bill Clinton) signing a law in 1996 called the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which prohibited the US government from recognizing gay marriages OR gay unions. Twenty years later, we had a REPUBLICAN Presidential candidate (Donald Trump) who supported gay marriage. This was not an immediate process, but by the 1990's, the mainstream media was already running articles about why gay marriage was actually a good idea. They are following the same plan with "open borders."
Jackson Johnson
cope
Colton Myers
and pussy trump still hasn't buit a wall. in fact he would have caved again if it weren't for rush limbaugh blastin him. such a pussy trump
Jayden Allen
>rush limbaugh You've never listened to El Rushbo have you?
Juan Evans
Wait...why don’t we just go to South Africa and give them freedom and privilege. Like, hear me out because I’m hearing his argument out. His whole point is that someone born there deserves the same rights as I have here in America. Truth is, I agree with him, because my rights are self-evident and unalienable and I was endowed by my creator with them. Therefore, ergo, vis-a-vis, concordantly, let’s take the American military and kick the fucking door into South Africa and take over the country! That way! The people that can’t afford to travel here can have freedom and privilege and we can fix it!
That’s what he’s calling for, right? Let’s fucking invade South Africa! Thank you New York Times!!!!!
Jordan Cooper
Coping with what? Your Boomer-tier fantasies about shooting illegals at the border when Trump himself is allowing a flood of 1 million LEGAL immigrants per year are just pointless.
Aaron Martinez
They want you dead! Remember that!
Charles Lee
>were open for much of its history There were strict racial and national origin quotas for much of our history. They've actually gotten a lot more lenient in that regard.
>stats show immigrants are no more dangerous than natives Perhaps after controlling for income, but they will very disproportionately be joining the lower class if you open borders to the third world, so the impact is profoundly negative
>they’ll take jobs away from native workers The jobs that unskilled immigrants can take are first on the chopping block of automation, then they'll just be sitting around on welfare.
>impose residency requirements for them So you know where your tax dollars are being wasted? That doesn't solve anything.
>ample land Skyrocketing housing prices in big cities suggest that it doesn't matter how much land the US has because the termites only want to live in a few places
>short of workers Wage stagnation suggests otherwise, and any shortage is purely artificial because employers refuse to pay up hoping to justify cheap immigrant labor. More bodies in the room will only drive down wages further.
>muh population growth, muh India and China Importing cancerous third world cultures is self-destructive and relies on the Ponzi scheme or religion that economists have that the population must grow forever to maintain economic growth and that labor is a universally fungible resource.
>most enthusiastic and creative people Yeah, because they were doing such a good job in their countries? Controlled immigration makes sure you're actually filtering for those.
This cuck and anyone who agrees with this trash needs to get the fuck out of this country.
Joshua Davis
i remember when Jow Forums knew who is writing all of these op eds.
There’s portions of northern Mexico where I would like to own land. We could totally eradicate the drug problem if we had American police patrolling Central American streets.
Maybe outright imperialism can make a comeback. Everywhere can be America!
This guy fucking gets it. Let's not stop at Mexico. Honestly, I think we should start with the Western Hemisphere. I think that's a fair starting point. Let's take it all over. We tell them, don't move, hold tight, and we'll be right there. The entire western hemisphere. Here we fucking come.
Logan Russell
>the NEW YORK TIMES calls for OPEN BORDERS >opinion section *thinking*
David Ramirez
This, op btfo
Lucas Diaz
Show me all the right-wing opinions allowed to grace the NY Times. Real ones, not basic bitch boomercon "muh taxes" shit.
Cooper Gomez
Basically the death knell for the us and by extension Canada. No country could survive open borders.
Has to be a secret right winger. "Supporting" some shit idea gets people to oppose it.
Hudson Martinez
My mom became a u.s citizen legally. My sisters and i are US born citizens. One is an honourable discharged vet, 2 have managerial positions in major corporations, and me well im just a blue collar tradie. Am i allowed here? Also, i hate illegals, they bring wages down, bring taxes up, and give us brownies a bad name. If u say fuck mw too ur a faggot
Sebastian Russell
That will be the moment to take up arms.
Nathan Morales
These people are insane
Matthew Perez
Imagine believing America is racist despite the fact that you and your family were granted citizenship Imagine instead of being thankful that you were received with open arms demand that the people you ran away from be let inside America
Lucas Brooks
Open borders is part of agenda 21. 2030, a global digitized world government. No national identity. A real ID chip card for all online activity and transactions.
Dominic Brooks
I’m sick of all these shills flooding /POL. I originally came here because of Qanon thinking this place would be amazing to discuss the amount of progress it’s had. Not to mention our loyal POTUS. But it turns out, you’re all just anti-Semitic assholes who’ve learned nothing from what happened 70 years ago. If it weren’t for loyal Americans, you’d all be speaking German and wouldn’t have the freedom we receive today. Trump is a loyal supporter of Israel and so is anybody else that’s sane. You’re just a fringe minority who makes people such as myself look bad. People of all races should unite against libtard insanity instead of promoting the racist shit you post.
So I’m leaving this place, you’ll never learn what it’s like to be in the Holocaust.
Henry Brown
Instead of opening the borders of wealthy, stable western nations. Why don't we just give poor countries gibs and provide them with education, infrastructure and technology? Why does nobody reply with this? How is it not obviously to normies that this is kike propaganda aimed at maintaining the hegemony in the west?
>people of my color were systematically oppressed Fucking Hindoos are worse than niggers when it comes crying about how they were oppressed. At least there really were lynchings, but the damn currynigs muscle in on every victimhood racket solely on the coincidence of them having a bit of melanin.
Aiden Rivera
Finally, this is the right thing to do. We should also learn Spanish to build a rapport with our southern neighbors.
Jonathan Gomez
it's not your country anymore. America(and to a lesser extent, every western nation) is the worlds toilet now.
Caleb Hernandez
Canada is operating on the belief we can build a nation by collecting the best people from all over the world. When you think about it, that's putting other nations at a disadvantage, because we're stealing from them their best and brightest people.
Canada's system is very rigid, you can't get in if you're a low IQ nigger. The loophole is that we started taking in a bunch of refugees, which now we're not taking in the best and brightest, but the worlds trash that got thrown out
Matthew Howard
Immigrants that just leave their country of birth because they were lucky enough to be born with a high IQ are cowards, they don't give a fuck about the nation that created them. Western nations should implement immigration programs that don't provide citizenship to economic migrants, keep them for extended periods, once they have served their purpose to our benefit send them back to improve their nation of origin. Leftists scumbags are so short sighted they can't comprehend how a brain drain will negatively affect 90% of the people living in erd or 2nd world countries. Also, gas the kikes.
William Kelly
I unironically wouldn't feel an ounce of sympathy if every traitor who works for the NYT took a bullet to the head. Fuck them and fuck the CIA at WaPo. And CNN and ABC and CBS and Huffington Post and Vox.
Nice digits but overall weak argument. Technically everyone born in America has ancestors who escaped poor living condition in their own country of origin
Jordan Roberts
Yeah but that was how many years ago? The world was completely different then. Point is, if people do these thigns because they want to help MUH POOR BROWN PEOPLE, why not help them where they exist already? Importing them here doesn't really do anyone much good.
Eli Clark
Lol never change Jow Forums never change.... Also, eat my mestizo cock you autistic, muttbred bunch of 1269 bunch of faggots, im a US citizen with a right to bear arms. So fuxk you. U can hate me all you want, but im all that you love mixed with all thag you hate. Ha. Fuck you. Build the wall, im already on the right side
Juan Green
Your country didn’t start at Ellis Island mate. Half the colonies were started because our monarchy didn’t know what to do with all the weird dissenting churches and just said ‘fuck it lads have some empty land in America and just send us some taxes every once in a while.’ The other half were founded and populated by people with money looking to make more money.
Adam Davis
Sorry but I’m going to have to call you out for being a new faggot.
Don’t reply to meme flags. At all. They are paid shills or ugly leftist retards who have down syndrome. They are paid to spark division or derail threads.
The only way to use Jow Forums is to not even read anything a memeflag even writes.
The author is so fucking hideous. Why are hideous people allowed to have any say in anything?
Sebastian Gonzalez
Yikes.
Nolan Wood
30% of your country is bean. It’s too late already. You needed the wall before Reagan’s dumb ass amnesty. You lost control of your country 34 years ago. AOC type politicians are the new normal. You’ll be paying reparations before you get deportations and you know it.
Camden Russell
Technically the vast majority of that 30% is in two states. One more than the other really.
Zachary Sanchez
That's correct. Borders are statist by nature. >inb4 but whatabout multikulti? So what if there's multikulti? Without free gibs, there's no wealth drainage. Open borders allow the free movement of goods. All those QTs Latina you want have to cross the border at some point.
Jackson Gonzalez
good God what a faggot you are
Caleb Hill
To be fair, some of that booming population is niggity noggities, and though that's not a great thing, they do have a uniquely american identity and a right to be here.
Well I just read all that. Another fucking retard who thinks the US is built on magical land that grants liberty and the people who built and maintained it have nothing to do with it. Then gets confused why all of the other people suffering all over the world can't come to this magical land which provides so many benefits as well.
Really infuriating.
Nathaniel Thompson
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but nobody from here to Japan will ever look at you and think “he’s American”. That’s like a German man going to Africa, putting a clay disc in his mouth and calling himself a native Zimbabwean, it’s kind of cringeworthy to be honest.
Brody Moore
operation mockingbird
yall are a bunch of rubes (aka jew)
Brayden Green
>Manjoo Fucking lel
>Publisher, not a platform *thinking*
Variations of this should be a canonical response to moral arguments for open-borders. Borders don't just keep people out, they keep the governments in. If there's no border between the US and Mexico for example, then that is as true for the states as it is for the people.
Jordan Diaz
yeah fuck off, don't slam the door on your way out
>Why a brave Democrat should make the case for vastly expanding immigration >brave Democrat >brave there's a difference between bravery and stupidity.
Blake King
>"I...I'm waiting for daddies permission"
Jow Forums really is just a giant hive of larping faggots
Connor Clark
How does that benefit yanks though?
Gavin Brooks
America was founded on Protestant moral absolutism. In the liberal Quaker world view, every nationalist and intolerant thing Trump represents is evil, therefore the opposite is true. American liberals are the new Puritans, every single thing which demeans them is good, everything even only slightly chauvinistic, even on the grounds of self-defense is evil.
Brandon Ramirez
>When you think about it, that's putting other nations at a disadvantage, because we're stealing from them their best and brightest people The term is 'brain drain' leaf. Agree entirely, but the globohomopatrol don't.
