Imaging being a nationalist or patriot lmoa

Imaging being a nationalist or patriot lmoa

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>lmao imagine being proud of someone else's opinion

same kind of faggot, different shit

I completely agree, even about race. Why be proud of things you haven't done yourself? It's a way to make people with no accomplishments feel good about themselves.
>muh ancestors, muh history
Do you celebrate when your ancestor ug ug raped tata in the caves? No, because family means jack shit after like three generations.

this also goes for black power and other ethnic pride in general. Homosexuality I can understand a little more because sexuality leads into a very literal community and not some fucking ghetto with aunt jemima.

This. Also lmoa at having children because of "muh legacy". You will be forgotten after 3 generations unless YOU DO something important yourself. Does anyone know who Einstein's parent's were? Fuck no, Same with 99% of all important people ever.

You realize the kikes you are shilling for are proud of their own race right?

nationalism and patriotism isn't about pride, faggot
nice strawman

Being anti-nationalism doesn't mean being pro-jewish. The Jews that are obsessed with their homeland are just as pea-brained as the ones here who are obsessed with ours, like you

Go ahead dutchie whats it about then

protecting the interests of your people

Who?

Are you fucking retarded? Read a book

Glad you ignored ethnicity here in this rebuke m8. National defense is a separate issue you're actually right about that, but it's hard to argue pride is linked to and one of the ways to normalize patriotic and nationalistic philosophy and behavior. You can argue ideology all you like, but you're still proud.

Next time a leftist quotes Schopenhauer remind them what he had to say about women and racial issues.

It should be a matter of self interest to be concerned about the wellbeing of your race, ethnicity, and nation.

But i’m an American. My ethnicity is hyphenated and America-centric, just as anyone should be concerned specifically with their chosen homeland.

I hope for the best for Northern Ireland, Finland, Scotland, and the Lenape people, but I am an American first, and the only thing I can really impact is through my membership in the Delaware Tribe of Oklahoma, and local, state, and federal politics.

Imagine being proud of anything you do or don’t do like lmao, we’re all just biological products working within the framework of physical laws that we didn’t create, and benefiting from the systems and knowledge of those who came before. Any and all “productive” action is simply a waste of time before entropy claims us and everything that ever existed rendering any decision we make meaningless. Everything amounting to nothing in the long term renders your opinions as meaningless as mine objectively. Only subjectively can we proclaim our moral ideals in this reality, you think national pride is stupid and I think National pride is useful, neither view is correct unless it can be enforced upon the other. The only thing that is certain and can be objectively quantified is that OP is a massive fag.

>to be a nationalist means to be blind to any negative qualities of your nation
no

Myopic take. Schopenhauer was a leftist who had realist views regarding women, and he definitely did not have identity politics regarding race, his views relate closest with those of us in the center-left

This was an attempt to say "well if I can't be proud of lines on a map, they can't be proud of anything because nothing matters!" Pulling out subjective morality really doesn't help a nationalist case because it's so counterproductive, it just helps someone cope.

You are too brainlet to understand what made ''you''. Did you make your genetics? Did you make the culture that you were brought up in? Did you make every book that has ever influenced you?

A man's will is only a fraction of what makes him what he is. There's no particular reason to be ''proud'' of yourself, boy. You've never achieved anything.

Was thinking the same thing.
>based Schop
>leftist
In todays broad terms, maybe. But that was pretty much as right wing as it gets for his times.

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Based and redpilled .

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hahaha oh wow
>He held quite openly the opinion that the state's one object was to give protection at home and abroad, and even protection against its "protectors," and to attribute any other object to it was to endanger its true end. And so, to the consternation of all the so-called liberals, he left his property to the survivors of the Prussian soldiers who fell in 1848 in the fight for order.

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I care about my peoples survival, sovereignty and quality of life, because whether I want to or not, I am dutch and people will always recognize me as such. I do not want to be at the mercy of Germans, Englishmen or French. I want to be in a country of my own people, with my own language and my own cultures and traditions because that is what I am familiar with and where I fit in and where I am accepted as an equal.
You're the one doing mental gymnastics to try and remain anti-nationalistic because of your dogmatic belief that it is bad.

Pride simply comes with the identity, I see it as a surviving mechanism. We have evolved to feel emotionally bound to our identity so we are more fierce when defending our people.
My argument still stands.

>The highest civilization and culture, apart from the ancient Hindus and Egyptians, are found exclusively among the white races; and even with many dark peoples, the ruling caste, or race, is fairer than the rest, and has, therefore, evidently immigrated, for example, the Brahmins, the Inca, and the rulers of the South Sea Islands. All this is due to the fact that necessity is the mother of invention, because those tribes that emigrated early to the north, and there gradually became white, had to develop all their intellectual powers, and invent and perfect all the arts in their struggle with need, want and misery, which in their many forms, were brought about by the climate. This they had to do in order to make up for the parsimony of nature, and out of it came their high civilization.
What did he mean by this?

Sage

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Homosexual pride is to be proud in the loss of ability to procreate meaning literally no future.
How progressive it is amrite

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Ah a classic false dichotomy presented by the people who think there are only 2 sides to every issue

>muh lines on a map
countries are built on the work of people, almost exclusively in geographically distinct regions. families of hard working people who left us to tend the land in today's time and we will leave it to our offspring in their time.
the idea that countries are some random social construct is retarded and historically ignorant

Morality is subjective, and how we interpret reality and human social norms within it are entirely man made constructs. There is no objective Meaning to life within an existential framework and therefor all of mankind is encouraged to manifest there own meaning, a meaning that is objectively futile but by necessity truth to its holder. You say nationalism is counterproductive, but to what end is it unproductive? It may be unproductive to your constructed goals, but to my goals, or the constructed goals of others it is useful or needed.

>many great and illustrious nations with which this pettifogging little nation cannot possibly be compared, such as the Assyrians, Medes, Persians, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Etruscans and others have passed to eternal rest and entirely disappeared. And even so today, this gens extorris [refugee race], this John Lackland among the nations, is to be found all over the globe, nowhere at home and nowhere strangers. Moreover it asserts its nationality with unprecedented obstinacy and, mindful of Abraham who dwelt in Canaan as a stranger but who gradually became master of the whole land, as his God had promised him (Genesis 17:8), it would like to set foot somewhere and take root in order to arrive once more at a country, without which, of course, a people is like a ball floating in air. Till then, it lives parasitically on other nations and their soil; but yet it is inspired with the liveliest patriotism for its own nation. This is seen in the very firm way in which Jews stick together on the principle of each for all and all for each, so that this patriotism sine patria inspires greater enthusiasm than does any other. The rest of the Jews are the fatherland of the Jew; and so he fights for them as he would pro ara et focis [for hearth and home], and no community on earth sticks so firmly together as does this.
oh no

>Glad you ignored ethnicity here in this rebuke m8
I also wanted to add, ethnicity is a part of what makes a people

I never said I was anti-nationalist did I? And you can't accuse me of mental gymnastics when you keep saying the same thing over and over with more words.

If you are proud, be proud, hopefully its within reason unlike the Nazi's who's pride is based on nothing tangible, but don't be proud and pretend not to be proud because you think it adds wood to your opponents fire.

>It follows from this that it is absurd to want to concede to them a share in the government or administration of any country. Originally amalgamated and one with their state, their religion is by no means the main issue here, but rather merely the bond that holds them together, the point de ralliement [rallying-point], and the banner whereby they recognize one another. This is also seen in the fact that even the converted Jew who has been baptized does not by any means bring upon himself the hatred and loathing of all the rest [of the Jews], as do all other apostates. On the contrary, he continues as a rule to be their friend and companion and to regard them as his true countrymen, naturally with a few orthodox exceptions. … Accordingly, it is an extremely superficial and false view to regard the Jews merely as a religious sect. But if, in order to countenance this error, Judaism is described by an expression borrowed from the Christian Church as “Jewish Confession,” then this is a fundamentally false expression which is deliberately calculated to mislead and should not be allowed at all. On the contrary, “Jewish Nation” is the correct expression. The Jews have absolutely no confession; monotheism is part of their nationality and political constitution and is with them a matter of course.
stahp

>There is no objective Meaning to life within an existential framework
just because you can't think of one, doesn't mean there isn't
the meaning of life is to live

I keep repeating the same point because you are either willfully ignoring it or are just dumb enough not to understand it

>They are and remain a foreign oriental race, and so must be regarded merely as domiciled foreigners. When some twenty-five years ago the emancipation of the Jews was debated in the English Parliament, a speaker put forward the following hypothetical case. An English Jew comes to Lisbon where he meets two men in extreme want and distress; yet it is only in his power to save one of them. Personally to him they are both strangers. Yet if one of them is an Englishman but a Christian, and the other a Portuguese but a Jew, whom will he save? I do not think that any sensible Christian and any sincere Jew would be in doubt as to the answer. But it gives us some indication of the rights to be conceded to the Jews.
pls

You seem upset?

>having pride for my nation means I can't have pride for anything else
what a fucking joke

First, Schop wasn't right about everything, and even if he miraculously was, that doesn't mean his wisdom applies in all times and locations
Second, God created the races, He forbade racemixing, (many, many places, but also in the ten commandments) and he also specified that his blessings would pass through the children of Abraham

And Third, you only have to spend one instant thinking about the world to realize that God's blessings pass to the world through the Caucasian tribes, and not through the imposters that call themselves jews

Now you accuse me of willful ignorance or stupidity (classic capitulation), but where is your proof? I have acknowledged your reasons for nationalism but you have failed to prove the absence of pride.

>I have acknowledged your reasons for nationalism
no you haven't. You've accused me of lying. That's all you did. Not once did you acknowledge the fact that a people without a state are vulnerable and at the mercy of others.

>you have failed to prove the absence of pride.
I never stated there was an absence of pride, in fact I recognize that there is pride in people for their nation. But what you do is disingenuously mistake pride for the primary reason, when in reality the pride is secondary, it is a side effect of having a nation. Nationalism exists as a survival mechanism, a way to secure your existence and sovereignty. This creates a national identity with which the people then emotionally identify with, in order for them to more effectively promote their interests.

Nationalism is not born out of pride, the pride is born out of the nation.

Cant feel pride in my nation, but I am obligated to to take blame and shame for it?

Yeah, nah. Schopernhauer was right about a great deal....This ISNT one of those things.

Nationalism is the preservation of your people, culture and traditions.

Preservation can have nothing to do with pride. (((Liberals))) would 100% accept a black man not wanting to have his daughter date a white man, or his son to date a white woman because he wants black grandchildren and a black family. He wants to preserve his people and traditions. But for some reason with you (((Liberals))) you cannot accept a white man not wanting his white daughters or sons to mix it up with other races.

Every race except the white race is allowed to preserve their cultures, traditions and their people but for some reason, you hate white people, white history and white traditions.

Smells like hypocrisy to me.

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that guy's "art" style sicks me out for some reason. the characters look like a cross between cartoon sperm cells and turds.

They moved north, the climate changed them, and they became a new people.

>just because you can't think of one, doesn't mean there isn't
I have found meaning in life that suites me, it does not mean that it is objectively true.
>the meaning of life is to live.
Meaning in life could just as easily be to Die rather than live, to reproduce, to experience all aspects of living. Or any combination of those. My life is given meaning by my instincts, and my ability to rationalize the world. But I cannot prove that the sum of my comprehension is the ultimate truth. I want the world to be certain way for an assortment of reasons but my will to effect that change is no less valid than any others, only greater or lesser in its ability.

>Muh nationalism is gay
>Its just the co ordinates where you spawned

Society requires self sacrifice to function and nationalism is the concept of honoring the blood spilt by your predecessors so that you may enjoy the position your in today.
Thus you contribute your up most to improving your present so that your children may be happier than you.
It the very axiom on which rational progress spins

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>Not once did you acknowledge the fact that a people without a state are vulnerable and at the mercy of others.
I won't say whether I agree with this or not since its not the subject of this debate

>Nationalism is not born out of pride, the pride is born out of the nation.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? You went from
>nationalism and patriotism isn't about pride
to
>Nationalism is not born out of pride, the pride is born out of the nation.
So I'll admit your original statement doesnt exclude pride totally but you seem to want to downplay pride in the role of nationalism. Your welcome to do this, but Schopenhauer's original statement isn't addressing nationalism, its addressing national pride, if you have none then you have no argument with Schopenhauer.

But ultimately you're splitting hairs here, are you going to call it nationalism or national pride, what does it matter when other people use the terms interchangeably? You're in subjective territory. Schopenhauers point is national pride can be a form of idiocy, so are you going to have an opinion about that or are you going to stand firm that pride isn't part of nationalism?

That's subhuman nationalism. Real nationalism is misunderstood by Schopenhauer, who in when it comes to other issues, is incredibly based.
"Pride" in your nation isn't about being a lazy fuck who takes credit for what his ancestors accomplished. Like a son proud of his father, a nationalist proud of his nation understands he has the duty as a member of it to be a respectable part of it, and even surpass his ancestors' accomplishments.
Unfortunately it is true that many nationalists don't understand this.
Schopenhauer's essay with the concept of moral liberty still is one of the strongest arguments for an authoritarian state and heavy censorship.

If Nationalism is useful to a group then it must be maintained. Since it is a collective ideal and not a machine then something non material must be used to maintain it. National pride is simply the upkeep that the collective consciousness of a people contribute in order to keep a useful ideological construct viable. You might as well be claiming that Building a foundation is stupid because you’re not expecting or understanding the benefits of building a house above it.

The root of nation is natio, which is latin for race.
Nationalism is pride and support of my race.
Which is pride in myself.

Its false pride. Pride comes from some sort of accomplishment, being part of a race isn't an accomplishment, its totally random

being a nationalist or a patriot pretty much means being proud of a nation made up of race traitors and degenerates lol

There's no such thing as primal political instincts you dumb polack blob head

>natio
is not latin for race. It's latin for birth or people.
>pride in myself
for something you had nothing to do it. It's like being proud of having two arms and legs.

>you had nothing to do it
*nothing to do with

I support the US because it has enlightened laws, and also because I live here and was born here. But I also recognize other nations that have other strengths. I wouldn't call it "national pride," but recognition of reality.
There are people for whom the quote is applicable however, and so there is a kernel of truth in it, but they are just poorly educated.

>Listening to a Kraut

and who are your people lol? A bunch of faggots, degenerates, and whores - top-notch.
this idea of caring about the collective would only work in a very small tribalistic community of 30-40 people where everybody's survival depends on cooperating with each other. Otherwise, people have 0 reason to give a fuck about strangers if there's no money or gain involved.

Everyone is organized into tribes even if you're the least aware person in your tribe. It doesn't matter if you're the great tribe thats propelling your country or you're the shit tribe thats not contributing much.

His conception of nationalism is blind fanaticism about your country and countrymen. This is not how Jow Forums views their country. Otherwise you would never see threads complaining about basedboys or the Left in general, which is a big part of the USA. Jow Forums isn't really proud of the USA as such, it's proud of 18th century USA, or the right-wing USA of today. Not the USA as a whole, as a nation.

Also, wanting to live with people who are ethnically and culturally the same as yourself does not imply 'pride' of any sort but can just as well simply be the expression of an innate biological desire.

Zoon politicon, Faggot. Man is the political animal.

Yeah, a family and a few of your friends isn't a "tribe." And the idea of "propelling your country" defeats the idea of a small tribalistic community. The moment you have a larger country, state, or other community to deal with, everything goes to shit unless you're smart enough to only care about yourself and those really close to you.

I’ve never heard of the dude in that pic but I can tell he’s a goddamn faggot.
They only take pride in their nation because they can’t find anything within themselves to be proud of?
Holy shit lol he’s just an old timey pussy hat wearing gay sjw lol wow

This.

Thats not the point. Tribalism is still the main influence in society. Everything is shit but it doesnt make people less tribal.

It's a form of expressing ones morality, and encouraging others to do the same near you. The immoral promote things that harms your people, the moral, do not. For instance, the policies that prevent reproducing 2.5 white people as replacement population, homogays, dykelesbos, use our resources, yet produce nothing in return, thus the Jew is immoral, for advocating these things.

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