Women have destroyed the institution of marriage and with it any reason to not be a NEET

>A lot of young guys have no urge to prop up this immoral disgusting shitshow.

Because they fap to porn

>from the frying pan into the fire

Women have destroyed sex, hookups and dating too but thirsty faggots are sitll gonna throw themselves head over heels at anything even remotely female looking

You cant fight nature, user

double standards- a classic woman move

>Women have destroyed sex, hookups and dating
how?

>neets
it would be a non-issue, a group of folks that checked out of life arent suddenly gonna start giving two shits, organize and change the world. they sit on this shoelace enthusiast bbs leeching of the feels and yous of anons that do shit.

It sucks man, I'm a typical beta provider with a good career but I can't possibly have the family I want now that I know what I know.

>Women don't deserve any rights
agree. Children dont know what they want which is why parents are a thing. A man is a parent to a woman insomuch as he has to tell her what to do and think, along with setting boundaries for behavior.

>Children dont know what they want
Speak for yourself. I knew what I wanted by the time I was 5. Must suck being sub 130 IQ

The western world is disgusting and fapping to porn is just a part of that disgust and an unfortunate side effect. It's not the root cause but those guys shouldn't be doing it anyway.
It's hard to envision a young man looking at the western world and thinking "yeah, I want to keep that alive off of my hard work". It's not worth it.

so go pound strange. listen to all 12 episodes of the black philip show, hone your pimp hand and start converting women into obedient animals.

I'm comparing women to children and you're missing the point. I too realized the world was a hopeless wreck at the ripe old age of 6

>It's hard to envision a young man looking at the western world and thinking "yeah, I want to keep that alive off of my hard work". It's not worth it.

It's hard to vision a healthy young man thinking "i dont like the world, ill resign to a life of hedonism instead"

>I'm comparing women to children and you're missing the point
Nope. I'm saying children are not as stupid as you think, unless you were stupid to begin with.

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It's not about a life of hedonism. Every young man is within his right to see the western world and recoil in disgust and not want to contribute to it. Your Jow Forums objections to that won't change anything. I do not like all the degeneracy, the multiculturalism, the race mixing, the arrogance, the unnecessary military interventions, on and on and on.
Children are not stupid.

>It's hard to vision a healthy young man thinking "i dont like the world, ill resign to a life of hedonism instead"
That’s exactly what a lot of men do tho.

>It's not about a life of hedonism. Every young man is within his right to see the western world and recoil in disgust and not want to contribute to it.
Then they are not men, but reactive women. Every man, upon seeing something they don't like, will seek to change this.

Then they are not men, but boys.

If you're aware of any sentiment to cleanse the west up to and including removing women's rights, let me know.
If you want young men to opt in and keep everything as it currently is, you're out of luck. But you can still complain about it on the internet, lots of people do.

Ever tried to get a date these days? its next to impossible with all the demands and flaking from girls

I specifically said "beta" lad. I'm nowhere near attractive or interesting enough to just consistently get easy pussy without shelling out my money.

>If you're aware of any sentiment to cleanse the west up to and including removing women's rights, let me know.
Don't kid yourself. The sentiments already exist They are available to anyone. You just kind of like the idea of change, you don't truly desire change. You are more fond of your own life than you are of the future of all life.

>a few girls displease me
>better curse all women

Take your juvenile attitude to Jow Forumsredpill. You are not made of this world. You think every obstacle between you an the outcome you desire defines your destiny. Fuck your thoughts. Fuck your weakness.

The thing that really pisses me off is that girls will talk to 8 different guys at the exact same time and lead them all on even tho they know from the beginning they’re just gonna pick Biggus Dickus

If the nature of women pisses you off, don't associate with them. Would you be around niggers if you knew they shoot people?

True. Being NEET is a helluva lot better and respectable than sitting around some desert as a member of the armed forces fighting shit wars for Jews while pretending you're fighting for "freedom" back home, even as all of that freedom erodes at the hands of same Jews.

I don’t associate with either.

Then why are you pissed off?

>better curse all women
I didnt curse em, i said they ruined dating, sex and hookups but despite this guys still hunt girls. Im no different, the eternal optimist.
Im not some fucking retard thinking they do this deliberatley, they do it unintentionally but it does fuck everything up.
Now even if you are good looking, tall, fit and moderatley successful you can suffer in dating

As i said above, i dont blame women
If you were being pursued by 8 extremly hot girls offering to do everything kinky you ever dreamed off wouldnt you be picky too?
Female nature has ruined sex, hookups, dating, marriage and most interaction because its been left unchecked

Those sentiments are so few and far between they may as well not matter. I love the idea of change, I don't like what the west has changed into.
I get the impression that you agree with me even if you may not say it. The west as it is is filth, people complaining online that young white men don't opt in choose to ignore this, or admit it but state that we have to prop it up anyway.
Thank God, free will exists.

Wrong.

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As men, why did we never try to control the internet better? We all know how debilitating to poly amorous behavior it would be to block or get rid of certain parts of the internet. We have to make the plunge with porn, it needs to go or both sides will be afflicted.

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>I'm glad so many young men are opting out.

Where is your proof that this is happening?

Just man up and don't complain like a good goy.

All I see from women these days is they go from extremely nervous/shy around men to extremely over the top expressions of raunchiness, and back and forth and back and forth between the two extremes. Guess I'm a loser but can never figure out what one is supposed to do about it.

>I do not like all the degeneracy, the multiculturalism, the race mixing, the arrogance
Neither did the germans. It can happen again

>I didnt curse em, i said they ruined dating, sex and hookups
lol

>. Im no different, the eternal optimist.

No you are not. You are cynicist hiding behind a veil of skepticism.

>Now even if you are good looking, tall, fit and moderatley successful you can suffer in dating
Gee, it's almost like your physical being isn't that important to pair bonding.

>Those sentiments are so few and far between they may as well not matter.
MGTOW is a hugely popular movement. Nazism has maintained steady popularity for decades.

>I love the idea of change, I don't like what the west has changed into.
Pick one. If you truly loved changing the course of the west, you'd already be doing everything there is to achieve this.

>I get the impression that you agree with me even if you may not say it.
Yes and no. I get the sense behind your views. I emphatize with your views. Yet I think your views are superficial. They are something that you 'have', not something that you desire to 'manifest', It's worthless to talk the talk you are talking without taking action.

>extremely nervous/shy around men to extremely over the top expressions of raunchiness

How often do you see this and where are you seeing this?

Become toxicly masculine you idiot. Start with babysteps working out and learning how to be social. Read books daily. Then go out and do stuff or whatever.

To tell you the truth, white people are so well connected and organized that it is only a matter of time before an event sets off a cascading series of "reclaiming the throne".

>MGTOW is a hugely popular movement.

It is?

In the sense that everyone who desires will have access to the general premises of the movement, yes.

>Become toxicly masculine you idiot. Start with babysteps working out and learning how to be social. Read books daily. Then go out and do stuff or whatever.
I rather shitpost about Jews and play video games.

Some of it is clubs. Some events. Have women, multiple times now, just rap their legs around me or start rubbing their asses against my crotch. ..... and about as soon as they start, they run off. Its pretty fucked up.

Yup based and redpilled

I'm not sure if you're actually right and you could be given the extremes people who were able to find this site without discord ops tended to go to with masturbation but are you sure you're not imagining this? The nofap crowd seems prone to incredible flights of fancy

>if i don't get laid i don't need to get a job

They run off because you react like an insecure autist. They look at you and think: wow and alpha. Then they see your reaction and think: wow a virgin. Thus they run off.

yea i agree

>No you are not.
I know myself better than you do mate, i keep hunting for girls depsite the odds being very much against me and alot of other guys are the same

>it's almost like your physical being isn't that important to pair bonding.
Looks are important, wouldntyaknow, pic related

True, porn is very hurtful to pair bonding and the open expanse of internet dating has benefited women only.
Cant really undo the damage now

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Well if you feel you need to keep your view of the world going with your shit words interpret how you please. Think you're completely clueless though.

Just rape them already you gay

MGTOW is huge now, but it's still not as big as Jow Forums thinks it is. A lot of guys are opting out on their own accord via their own observations.
A Nazi society that retained MGTOW wisdom would be ideal, but we are so far off from that it's not even funny.
user, you are upset that I and other young men can see the west for what it is and we don't want to contribute to it. There is nothing you can do to change that.

>I know myself better than you do mate,
So you'd think.

>i keep hunting for girls depsite the odds being very much against me and alot of other guys are the same
That doesn't make you an optimist, but a rebellious cynic.

>Looks are important, wouldntyaknow, pic related
Looks matter. Looks are not everything. You stated that even if you are good looking dating might not go well. Do you think this is an enlightening statement?

>Every man, upon seeing something they don't like, will seek to change this.
This is nonsense. Men will do a cost benefit analysis, then react appropriately based on what he feels is his best course of action. In a lot of cases it's simply to disengage, which we see a lot of today with men dropping out of society. Your pathetic attempt at shaming language isn't going to change male nature.

You are free to think what you want. I'm free to think you are socially inept.

>user, you are upset that I and other young men can see the west for what it is and we don't want to contribute to it.
I'm not upset. Why would I be upset? I find your resignation intellectually superficial and morally dishonest. You are responsible for your own life, I can only support you in whatever you choose.

Don't kid yourself. No one is capable of disengaging unless he goes off the grid and lives off the land. Becoming a neet and refusing to date because you don't like how most of the society is structured is comparable to a temper tantrum. It's juvenile. It's unproductive. It's ungodly.

A good family life in a good home is available to practically anyone who truly desires this. You see a few inconveniencies and refuse to try at all. A man would try to reach what he desires till his death. A boy would cry because the game is rigged. Guess which one you are.

You are upset based on your objections to me and other guys opting out in this very thread. That is what I base my conclusion on.
I like that you support me. You have no reason to find my resignation intellectually superficial and morally dishonest" considering that if you strip away the Jow Forums arrogance, you know I'm right and that the west is awful.
There's not much else to it.

>A good family life in a good home is available to practically anyone who truly desires this.
until you get divorce raped

Its the opposite. Women are socially inept. They can't function anymore. They can't talk to a man. Their cellphone is out constantly.

YOU just want to believe your story that if you go "lift" then you'll be "chad" and the perfect woman will materialize out of thin air for you.

>So you'd think.
Witty retort, made me think

>You stated that even if you are good looking dating might not go well.
It matters but like i said, it isnt enough. Good looks have become a hygiene factor for dating, it seems.

>You are upset based on your objections to me and other guys opting out in this very thread. That is what I base my conclusion on.
I'm trying to guide you to a better direction. I'm passionate about this. Not all emotionality is based on negative emotion.

> You have no reason to find my resignation intellectually superficial and morally dishonest"
I have every reason to do so, because your decision is born out of selfishness. There is no context in which such selifhsness would not be either intellectually superficial or morally dishonest.

>you know I'm right and that the west is awful.
The west is awful. Your reaction to it is awful.

I can smell the autism through my monitor itt

If you get divorced rape it means you weren't alpha enough, or didn't maintain frame!

You have only yourself to blame for choosing your wife with your penis instead of your head. You reap what you sow. If your wife divorces you, it is out of disrespect of you. Who is responsible for projecting an aura of respectableness, if not YOU?

>Women are socially inept. They can't function anymore. They can't talk to a man. Their cellphone is out constantly.
This is an unproductive black & white generalization that will not serve you. It will function as the enemy of your wellbeing. Choose wisely whether or not you should heed it.

>YOU just want to believe your story that if you go "lift" then you'll be "chad" and the perfect woman will materialize out of thin air for you.
This is your blind assumption of my point of view. And it misses the mark 98%.

your monitor may be broken

They've destroyed our society, nevermind marriage. I'm married and we NEET it up while everyone else works for niggers and jews.

I have argued with many people about this. I know absolutely every talking point you could possibly throw at me. Hundreds of others have failed at this, user.
So the impression I'm getting here is that you agree with my overall position yet you still find that I am being selfish because the very conclusion of my observations leads to self-preservation. Cost analysis. Risk mitigation.
If there was a clear path to a different society in which none of the current degeneracy existed, I would be pursuing that so fast your head would spin even from all the way in Finland.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it bother you that young men don't think it's worth it? I look at the west and I don't see a society worth upholding nor do I see a society that respects me.

Yes goys, don't partner with white women. Instead become gay and let BBC cum on your face.

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Lauren will never marry you Finnknight

>it means you weren't alpha enough
I'm 5'7" there is objectively nothing I can do to become alpha.

But its a true observation. Used to go to clubs and the game was to start up a conversation with a woman and go from there. Now they hide constantly in their cellphones and then just go to extreme physical displays of smuttiness. But its not like I'm looking for advice, just saying what I see, so whatever.

I fail to see how homosexuality and NEETdom are anywhere related. Are you sure you're not just projecting your own repressed interracial homo lust onto others?

>I have argued with many people about this. I know absolutely every talking point you could possibly throw at me. Hundreds of others have failed at this, user.
Doub that. You are trying to gain an upper hand by belittling the views of your opponent. Transparent. Ineffective. Demonstrative of the shaky foundation of your views.

>So the impression I'm getting here is that you agree with my overall position yet you still find that I am being selfish because the very conclusion of my observations leads to self-preservation. Cost analysis. Risk mitigation.
Obviously. If that is not selfish, then what is? You choose to retreat within yourself because the external reality is not going to your wishes. Selfishness is the original observation. Selfishness is the reaction. Selfishness is the end result.

>If there was a clear path to a different society in which none of the current degeneracy existed,
Societally prevailing degenearcy is a cop-out. There are women who reject this degeneracy, just like you have done it. You are not special. Whatever views you hold, will others hold too. Your task is to find these people, not to reject their existence based on general trends.

>On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it bother you that young men don't think it's worth it?
1-2. I trust that God has a plan for this world. I still want to do my best to help peopl realiez how they can manifest better lives for themselves. Ultimately I'm imperfect. I'm no one. I'm powerless. I do what I can.

>I look at the west and I don't see a society worth upholding nor do I see a society that respects me.
The ruins of every decadent society hold the seeds of a new golden age. Nothing is ever completely lost. Nothing is ever completely doomed. All societies are based on a cycle of misery and glory.

>I still want to do my best to help peopl realiez how they can manifest better lives for themselves
Tell me how this works
Things that happen are mostly happening outside of your influence, no?

I work out every day usually, women have been much better with me since then and it only shows me how shallow women are.
I know you know this, but internet people often think the path to becoming a fully fledged accepted man involves lifting, and it can, but not if you want to keep your dignity. If you were treated worse before and all of a sudden you get all this respect and interest in you it feels so insulting it's not even funny.

>But its a true observation.
The observation is true in the sense that it is what you have observed. Your conclusion is false in the sense that your ability to observe is not equal to everything that exists.

>Used to go to clubs and the game was to start up a conversation with a woman and go from there.

> go to a place of degeneracy
> be surprised of degeneracy

> But its not like I'm looking for advice, just saying what I see, so whatever.
Yes. I'm not saying what you are seeing is wrong. I'm saying what you are concluding is wrong. It's like you once dipped into burning water and now conclude that all the waters in the world are searing hot.

Being alpha is a meme with which you invalidate your own being. There is practically nothing that is out of your reach as a 5'7 person. You want to be admired by everyone? Seek a therapist - you are mentally ill.

>Things that happen are mostly happening outside of your influence, no?
Everything that happens is the result of the influence of you and others.

Obviously not everyone dropping out can be brazenly NEET, but most are just doing an act to make themselves look like they're trying. In reality they're doing the bare minimum to get by and taking out huge debt with no intention of ever paying it back.

Upper hand? You're just another arrogant Jow Forumsitician, you are nothing special. You're bitching in a thread because young men don't want to uphold your precious western society. That's just too bad, honestly.
I don't bother to do the autism quotes with you because many many people think like you, that the sky is falling because oh my god, young white men are opting out!
What we are both seeing is a consequence of a degenerate civilization reaping what it sows.
If there is another great civilization after the west, I hope they do not give women any rights.

>There is practically nothing that is out of your reach as a 5'7 person.
there are a lot of things you moron

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NEETdom is is a recipe for mental illness, misery and slow suicide.

Tell any psychologist or student of the mind the conditions you live in and the views you hold, they'll tell you exactly that. And if you think psychology is just mumbo jumbo made up to sell you pills and keep you in line, how about you take a precursory glance at statistics?

Isolation, no progress, very little money, no lasting relationships, no prospects for starting a family, it's a guaranteed disaster. Yeah, you think just jerking to Chinese cartoons is fun now, but it won't be in 15 years.

But hey, it's a free country (I presume), it's your call.

But certainly one more than the other, and diffrent for diffrent things
Mostly things that involve other people are outside of your loci of control

Or are you implying you can control others?

>You're just another arrogant Jow Forumsitician, you are nothing special.
As you wish. I'm not interested in arguing your perceived (non)specialty of my personality.

>You're bitching in a thread because young men don't want to uphold your precious western society.
Nope. I'm bitching about juvenile reasons people choose this.

>If there is another great civilization after the west, I hope they do not give women any rights.
Okay.

Such as?

>But certainly one more than the other, and diffrent for diffrent things
Are you saying that a group of people achieves more than an individual. Very enlightening!

>Or are you implying you can control others?
To a large extent you could. Will you? Unlikely.

>student of the mind

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>Such as?
women
sports
respect from males

>women
Not out of your reach as a 5'7 male.

>sports
Not out of your reach as a 5'7 male

>respect from males
Not out of your reach as a 5'7 male

So that is another way of saying you are bitching because young men opt out.
I revel in your powerlessness and how every single minute the tide shifts in my favor. Nothing personnel, though.

>post hits too close to home
>have no response
>resort to memes
Thanks for playing.

>any reason to not be a NEET.

Nope, just be a NEET and fuck this society. Just waiting for big meteorite to hit the earth and wipe this pathetic meaningless consumerism species.,

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