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Why is the F-35 just such a massive failure and trillion dollar boondoggle?
Wyatt Collins
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Ayden Edwards
Number 1
Bell P-59 Airacomet:
Bell’s P-59 Aircomet was America’s first attempt at building a jet fighter. However, compared to its British and German contemporaries—the Gloster Meteor and the Messerschmitt Me 262—the P-59 was an abysmal failure .
In fact, during tests against Lockheed P-38 Lightnings, Republic P-47 Thunderbolts and a captured Mitsubishi Zero, it was discovered that the P-59 offered no advantage over the conventional piston-engine fighters of the time. Moreover, in many cases the piston-engine fighters outclassed the new jet.
The P-59 had a top speed of only 413 miles per hour—roughly equivalent to the P-38. Ultimately, the P-59 proved to be of little use except as a test vehicle, but it did set the stage for later, more successful projects.
Robert Kelly
Number 2
Vought F7U Cutlass:
The U.S. Navy didn’t have an easy time introducing jets onto the carrier flight deck. One early effort was the Vought F7U Cutlass—known derisively to its pilots as the “Gutless Cutlass.” The Cutlass was not only severely underpowered with its pair of Westinghouse J46-WE-8B turbojets; it was also plagued with immature systems—especially its problematic hydraulics.
Indeed, retired U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Edward Lewis "Whitey" Feightner—a former Blue Angel— told the Smithsonian’s Air & Space Magazine that he offered his resignation on the spot when he was told the team would fly the Cutlass. “The Cutlass could be made into a pretty good flying machine with a few modifications,” wrote F7U-3 pilot John Moore in The Wrong Stuff, Air & Space reported. “Like a conventional tail, tripling the thrust, cutting the nosewheel strut in half, completely redoing the flight control system, and getting someone else to fly it.”
Landon Green
Number 3
Grumman F-11 Tiger:
Grumman is famous for building some of the Navy’s best warplanes, but the F-11 Tiger wasn’t one of those. In fact, the F-11 is one of the few aircraft in history that’s managed to shoot itself down—literally. During a test flight, a Grumman test pilot who was testing the jet’s 20mm cannon managed to run into the very shells he had just fired.
The problem with the F-11 was less the airframe itself than the engines. The aircraft’s Wright J65-W-14 engines were extremely unreliable and burned gas at a high rate. As a result, the Navy was not happy with the Tiger. Naval aircraft—because of the unforgiving at sea environment—must have good range and highly reliable engines.
The Tiger was quickly retired after serving for only about thirteen years.
Bentley Sanchez
Number 4
Convair F-102 Delta Dagger:
The Convair F-102 Delta Dagger was originally designed to be a high altitude, high speed interceptor that would destroy the hordes of Soviet bombers that the were expected to attack the continental United States in case the Cold War turned hot.
Designers built the delta wing jet around a powerful Pratt & Whitney J57-P-25 afterburning turbojet, an advanced fire-control system and an internal weapons bay. All initial indications showed that the jet should be a spectacular performer—until it flew. The prototype couldn’t even break Mach 1.0.
The Delta Dagger had run into what was then a newly discovered phenomenon called transonic wave drag. The aircraft had to be completely designed using the Whitcomb area rule, which basically states an aircraft must have an even longitudinal cross-sectional area distribution to minimize transonic drag. The redesigned F-102 had a “Coke bottle” configuration. Some versions of the story suggest the jet’s new fuselage design was actually inspired by actress Marilyn Monroe’s figure rather than a Coke bottle.
The reconfigured F-102 could eventually hit speeds of Mach 1.22, but the jet never really met expectations. Eventually, it was completely designed into a configuration that ultimately resulted in the much more successful F-106 Delta Dart.
Brody Wood
this is a board for politics
saged and reported for off topic
Luke Wright
And lastly
Number 5
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter:
The Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is not necessarily a bad plane—however, it is years late, grotesquely over budget nor is the aircraft likely to ever deliver what its designers originally promised. The F-35 is a case of massive over ambition to develop one base airframe that can be adapted to replace half-dozen specialized jets. The result is an expensive jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none.
Moreover, the requirements for the F-35 were set at a time when future threats were unclear. The requirements were set to fight in an environment that was less intense than what might be expected had the Soviet Union not collapsed, but more strenuous than what is required for a low end conflict like Syria or Iraq. Those who set the requirements did not anticipate the reemergence of China or the anti-access/area denial threats we are now starting to face .
The result is an aircraft that is not equal to meeting the emerging challenges facing the nation in the Western Pacific.
Noah Roberts
Pretty sure the biggest, most costly, and politically most controversial projects of mankind is politically relevant.
Not to mention that it costs 100 times more than Trump’s wall.
Christian Reyes
The dems stimulus package was 200 times larger.
Wall is 0.5% of Obama's donor handout program.
Ryder Collins
No, it wasn’t. The stimulus was 700bn, the F-35 program is 1.6 trillion dollar.
Thomas Harris
We've already made a net profit selling them you stupid Turk. Now fuck off to so I don't have to read your retarded ass posts.
Jaxson Clark
no. The stimulus was over $830 billion, when you factor in other bills passed in 2009 to support it its over $1.1 trillion. Trump is asking for $5 billion. $1.1 trillion is 200 times larger than $5 billion. I wasn't talking about the F-35. just comparing wall vs Obama's handout.
But lets talk about the F-35. You really think the F-35 is what they built with that? X-37B like projects sucked that up. Skunkworks, it stinks.
Jacob James
>net profit
>from selling 300
>half to Israel for half their manufacturing price
ok, lad, ok
Owen Johnson
Yay! We paid allot of money for these. Would be nice if they worked...
Hudson Martin
F 35 is bad is npc tier
It’s the hottest fighter in generations because it integrates everything in the battlespace and every airforce wants one
Oliver Carter
The F35 isn't really a fighter, it is a battlefield management system that connects and guides many diverse systems. There has never been anything quite like it. The drawback is that it is largely a first strike weapon as are all of the other emerging weapons. My guess it will be tested soon in Iran.
Ryan Walker
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Oliver Johnson
>THEY ARE JIDF
It’s called an iPad, idiot. The iPhone does the same.
Michael Nelson
>The result is an expensive jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none.
Alexander Brooks
NAH
SHUT IT JIDF
Cooper Lopez
F-35 is good because mr. noseberg at lockheed martin said so
Nicholas Parker
It's true though. Everything it does, a specialty plane can do better.
Chase Ward
she got some purdy face man... too bad the thumbnails are weird :/
Levi Murphy
The MIC is like a big engine that you must feed more fuel every year, but if you turn it off, it will explode, raining flaming napalm oil down on your economy.
Aiden Green
smartphones work the same way
Dominic Diaz
17 years of development after already winning the the contender with a functional plane.
Liam Perez
The F-35 is just one facet of a different strategy the US military is taking. Sun Tzu himself said that wars are lost and won on information, which is exactly the thing that the US is learning to harness with these new technologies. Change is a good thing, if you get caught up trying to fight the battles of the past with oldschool mentality you'll get assraped just like the French in WW2. They thought Germany would never be able to reach them because WW1 Tanks couldn't go through forests, but didn't know that warfare had changed and the panzer was now in existence
Elijah Phillips
The National Interest hahahahahahahahahaha I used to go there years ago and troll the chink posters in the comments
Nicholas Jones
F-35 maneuvers are now unclassified.
youtube.com
Aaron Howard
>and affordable!
Benjamin Morris
Just think how many more we could buy if our welfare leeching somalis were thrown our. But I don't think we have enough pilots
Leo Moore
It's called "money laundering."
Luke Carter
listen up m0ist, the US foreign policy and think tanks are the reason for Muslim diaspora growth worldwide and the decline of US hegemony. had we allied with the soviet union, we could be living on mars already, instead China leads the world economically and in terms of technology.
Liam Reyes
Jack of all trades, best at none.
Specific roll fighters and bombers would have been lower cost in the end. Now, not saying a multi-roll jet is a bad idea, but saying it should have been limited production and more defined roll. We dont need to launch our most expensive fighter every time a old WWII Russian bomber flies near. We could have had a much cheaper and better fuel capacity interceptor do that. CAS specific jet at a much lower price could have been made.
Ethan Adams
F-35 is a very good plane.
People compare it to roles it is not meant for.
The purpose of the F-35 is to not get shot down in an AA heavy environment or seen by other planes. That is pretty much it. To accomplish this, it is slow, has shorter range, and comes at significant cost.
Not getting shot down means it can do reconnaissance, and can disable enemy anti air enabling more capable planes to do sorties.
However it will beat every other plane in the sky except the f-22 with the integrated f-35 stealth and sensor suite. Gone are the days of dog fighting where you out fly the other plane. Now whoever sees the other first, wins. Even if you know the F-35 is there, you can't see it or pinpoint it's exact position.
The multi-million dollar paint job refracts light making it nearly invisible to the naked eye in addition to lowering its radar cross section.
TLDR: The f-35 flys like a duck compared to the f-15. But the f-15 can't see it so the f-35 wins every-time.
Nolan Anderson
Thanks for the video, Very Cool
Leo White
Drink bleach, you faggots shit up our board all the time.
FUGGG :-DDDD Guess I should have joined the chair force.
Adrian Barnes
The idea is that without the stealth tech, the planes are not very useful in a modern environment. Unless you're bombing shitstains in kenya.
So they wanted a plane they could get in the AA protected zone that could do most things they needed.
Once the f-35/f-22 disables enemy radar and s300-400 units then the other planes can come in.
>We could have had a much cheaper and better fuel capacity interceptor do that
We do its called the F-15. Besides maybe upgrading the sensor suite(which we are doing) you can't really get a better traditional interceptor. We're not scrapping all our old hardware.
The problem is that since radar and Anti-Air has progressed so much, against a enemy that has Russian equipment all our planes like the warthog and f-15/f-16 can get easily shot down unless they severely limit their sortie.
In addition Russia and China are putting out planes with comparable flight capabilities of the f-15. The F-35 can shoot down a whole team of f-15's. The F-22 can even better. Stealth tech is the future. Without it you're a sitting duck.
Tyler Thompson
>Those who set the requirements did not anticipate the reemergence of China or the anti-access/area denial threats we are now starting to face .
Who comes up with this shit? Are they retarded? Do they think I am retarded?
Carter Long
Bruh its national interest. A literal shill company.
The reason for the F-35s existence in to combat area denial anti aircraft threats.
Samuel Adams
The project is obviously used for money laundering.