An user posted pic related earlier about 'hidden Masonic knowledge' that argued for No-Fap (can't link - it got pruned)...

Vitamin C and eat less meat. But it doesn't take a doctor to know that your body doesn't deplete itself everytime you jizz, nor does it really know if you're doing in a girl without birth control either. That's like Southern Baptist idiocy.

i read the first two, then realised this is too retarded for me

You sure think you know a lot. Where did you learn all this Vit C /eat this not that stuff? Are you speaking from experience? Or are you using knowledge you saw somewhere else from some faggot who convinced you to trust him. Was it a book? Which book? University Book? Internet? (Probably) You don't know anything first hand. You're a fucking parrot.

>eat less meat
kek

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>Not familiar with the scientific method
Enjoy your cancer, American.

Gotta keep those electrolytes high.

>meat
>cancer
I may get cancer in my lifetime, but of the who knows how many of the multitude of things that may trigger it, meat is very low on the list of suspects. Or do you disagree with expert opinion now (pic related)?

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>meat is very low on the list of suspects
Tell that to the Norwegians and Japanese.
Cancer is less prevalent in places with less meat.
But look at places with the most cancer and it's all meat (with little proper fat) and sugar.

>and sugar
bingo

Use archive 4 plebs. It'll be there. Dumping no fap stuff

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What do you think cum is made of?

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Here's a better pic than OPs

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Physiological effects of no fap

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Nothing magic or irreplaceable if you have a proper diet.

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Thanks, saved

>can't link - it got pruned
You're gettin saged, newfag.

Sure fren. It makes total sense. The man has the energy and drive of a god. I'm going on 6 months no fap. I understand his energy.

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It's a poetic way of describing the neurohormonal benefits of avoiding the postcoital drops and fluctuations in particular neurotransmitters and hormones

This is a gigantic pile of crap written by a narcicistic asshole that thinks that the truth belongs to his secret shitty club.
Pick up a fucking actual biology book and read it if you want ti know about it. Theres no club of better than thou. There is information out there and either you reach it or you dont, but you will be more prone to reach it if you simply inform yourself instead of looking for a place to hang and feel superior. You are pseudokikes.

It's a bad way of doing so. It's like saying to avoid exercise because you cause microtears in muscles.
A lot of this crap pretends there's a difference internally between masturbation and sex, when really it's just promoting damage to the prostate via atrophy.

is the tl'dr to this:
work hard
fuck well
if you can't fuck: try to have quick unaided wanks and cum quickly to reduce stress

A biology book won't teach you what it _feels_ like to do no-fap. Like many things in life, only first hand experience can teach you what it's like. You ever tried not masturbating for 90 days? 30 days? 12 days? 1 day? What's your longest record not jizzing on yourself? What about porn? Do you watch it? Do you think porn _doesn't_ affect your reward system? ever feel bad after you jerk it to something in particular? Ever have problems getting it up during regular sex?

>when really it's just promoting damage to the prostate via atrophy
This is just repeating basic bitch health website article taking points about prostate damage from not orgasming. Your body ejaculates when it needs to through nocturnal emissions. They also say not masturbating will cause prostate cancer, when there are conflicting studies, some of which suggest that it INCREASES risk, at least in men under 60.

OBJECTIVE

To examine, in a case‐control study, the association between the frequency of sexual activity (intercourse, masturbation, overall) and prostate cancer risk in younger men diagnosed at ≤60years old.

RESULTS

Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s but appeared to be associated with a decreased risk in the 50s, while intercourse activity alone was not associated with the disease.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

reducing the size of the prostrate would reduce your prostate cancer risks. in fact, one of the main treatments for prostate cancer is to try to shrink it

Aight. So what reason could there be for masturbation increasing the risk when intercourse does not, and emission happens anyway? Can't think of any potential variables in the test subjects?

frequency and mindset

I wasn't making the assertion that the mode of achieving orgasm was taken into account in that particular study. The purpose was to illustrate that most of these prostate assertions made to dissuade no fap are usually dubious and only take into account the studies that affirm the predetermined goal of promoting the dangers of not wanking.

The mode of orgasm DOES effect the neurohormonal response to orgasm though, interestingly enough. For example, with regard to post orgasm prolactin release.

It's behind a pay wall, like most of the important studies with regard to this subject, but you can get the gist

The post-orgasmic prolactin increase following intercourse is greater than following masturbation and suggests greater satiety (2006)

Abstract
Research indicates that prolactin increases following orgasm are involved in a feedback loop that serves to decrease arousal through inhibitory central dopaminergic and probably peripheral processes. The magnitude of post-orgasmic prolactin increase is thus a neurohormonal index of sexual satiety. Using data from three studies of men and women engaging in masturbation or penile-vaginal intercourse to orgasm in the laboratory, we report that for both sexes (adjusted for prolactin changes in a non-sexual control condition), the magnitude of prolactin increase following intercourse is 400% greater than that following masturbation. The results are interpreted as an indication of intercourse being more physiologically satisfying than masturbation, and discussed in light of prior research reporting greater physiological and psychological benefits associated with coitus than with any other sexual activities.
yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/sexual-satiety/the-post-orgasmic-prolactin-increase-following-intercourse-is-greater-than-following-masturbation-and-suggests-greater-satiety-2006/

Avengers Infinite Wars is a non-fiction account of nofap (the Gauntlet)

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Frequency shouldn't matter when it says intercourse is fine. Surely they'd compare apples to apples there.

I'm not arguing the mental issues associated. Just that it's absurd to think masturbation as the cause of ejaculation is different to intercourse as far your body is concerned.
And studies from "Yourbrainonporn" doesn't speak to the highest of academic rigour on the topic.

how?

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Ok what if someone else is fap'n me would I still get prostate cancer?
How bout if I'm getting blown?
What if I'm getting blown and my snakes getting fap'ed?
These are important questions here.
I need answers.

It’s not just the physical aspect. There is a spiritual aspect to everything you do, society has just been made in a way that it’s ignored.

>There is a spiritual aspect to everything you do
Cool, can you measure that for me?

By the way, prolactin has an antagonistic relationship to dopamine and serum testosterone, as well as to androgen reception in the brain. So there is another interesting point. Orgasm has many demonstrably deleterious effects on neurohormonal physiology, especially with regard to the reward system and the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis.

You will NEVER hear this in the media or see this discussed on mainstream health or psychology websites. WHY? Because an oversexed, sexually satiated and devitalized population is easier to control. An oversexed population is going to be on a psychic roller coaster of emotional ups and downs do to the effects that a drastically fluctuating neurohormonal chemistry has of the qualia of the psyche. There will be no resolutness or vigilance from such a population.

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you don't need all this old science shit

porn and masturbation addictions are shit. anyone who realizes that is immediately a better person than someone who doesn't. gl to anyone out there with a brain that doesn't need some autist sperging over testicular cancer to realize they're actually just projecting

It's not meat per se is animal proteins that are the culprit there have been extensive studies to this end

>Orgasm has many demonstrably deleterious effects on neurohormonal physiology
Amazing that humanity has survived so long after having so much sex, huh? But hey, evolution will always win out, so I guess we just need to push through.

Yea, but it's hard to separate the two.

dropped it with the vagina sucking DNA, until then it was a nearly convincing larp.
I call bullshit on the rest because of that

M8, Norwegian Cancer rates are fucking high

wcrf.org/dietandcancer/cancer-trends/data-cancer-frequency-country

>Rank Country Age-standardised rate per 100,000
>1 Australia 468.0
>9 Norway 337.8
>43 Japan 248.0
>50 Israel 233.6

It must be the Sun and Drink in Aus, no?

They are now. Between 1940 and 1948 they plummeted though. Coincidentally it was the same time the Nazis were confiscating meat from the country for military rations.
Maybe the presence of swastikas wards off cancer?

Imagine actually believing this shit. Nofap is a fucking placebo.

That 'confidence' phase is just you being horny and you will eventually go back to your anxious self in time.

Furthermore, your ejaculate becomes watery and not fertile if you sustain from ejaculation for long periods of time - hence doctors recommend you sustain no longer than 5 days if you want to increase your chances of a baby.

It's not masturbation that's the problem, it's porn.

Seriously, madturbation without porn and you will see the same placebo effects.

You can have mine too for extra gains, user.

What good are minerals if you still have vice of the mind?

I am not against procreative non fornacative sex. But having sex with chemically sterilized women(women on birth control) or wanking, are not how we made it this far. And the question is not will we survive, humanity will go on, no doubt. The question is what kind of society will we go on IN. I don't like the look of the way things are headed. And so I propagandize in favor of things which will produce a population which will be vigilant in resisting negative trends I see manifesting in society. I have lived a fornicative life stye during periods through out my life, so I am not being holier than though. I am just saying that
>An oversexed population is going to be on a psychic roller coaster of emotional ups and downs do to the effects that a drastically fluctuating neurohormonal chemistry has of the qualia of the psyche. There will be no resolutness or vigilance from such a population.
These are the facts, and the current state of society bares witness to this

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>are not how we made it this far.
The extension of this is that people only ever had sex when happily married for the purposes of creating children, and never any more than that.
It just doesn't hold water, no matter how chaste your fantasies are.

I dont know if youre still there OP but he might have been talking about sexual transmutation. The general idea is you transform the sexual energy using meditation, but theres more too it.

Forgot memeflag. I-it was ironic I swear

>Daily Recolection
Recollection.
It's a word, so is daily.
Use a dictionary.

The guy who wrote it is actually well versed in the occult. This is what the elite believe.

Seek first the kingdom of heaven.

NoFap has long been a thing but am I just imagining the recent popping up of this whole "reabsorbtion of the seminal fluids in the spine" and other spiritual perspectives on NoFap? It seems like this has just suddenly been everywhere on Jow Forums, uncorroborated quotes from Nietzche, Hitler, Newton etc on the topic, am I imagining it or is this some kind of pseudo-raid or re-emergence of old/new knowledge?
I like it though honestly, adding a spiritual dimension to NoFap is a far better means of making it successful than just doing it for material ends.

What is the Fourier Transform of Trump? Is he out of phase with what the status quo of the government was before he showed up? Is there a beat frequency involved? How would I measure such a thing myself instead of asking a gnostic?

Finding out the low IQ people 101: use esoteric or supernatural names for things instead of scientific names. Low IQ people like this Aussie can't "disconnect" and just accept that your porn addiction is a demon.

The reason people use these names in place of more scientific names is because they are trying to hammer through your thick skull that this stuff has been known for millennia, written in every holy book, and passed down as knowledge from before Babylon. They didn't know about the inner workings of the cell like we do, but they knew cause and effect. You call it addiction, they called it demon, in the end it's the same thing: [cause] causes [effect] (e.g. addiction causes mental problems), you can swap out [cause] with "addiction", "demon", or whatever the fuck you want. Most people are just so brainwashed by the recent flood of hubris-laden science bullshit (where any knowledge from before a certain date must be wrong and stupid, because we today know so much better than several thousands of years of observation and study) that they can't even begin to take seriously the same knowledge that got us to where we are.

There's another point there: I'm sure everyone has noticed the constant ridicule of knowledge older than the year 2000 by now. You have to ask yourself why exactly they push this so hard, and why the same people doing this are the ones normalizing pedophilia and people chopping their dick off. Most people have been indoctrinated to instinctively react with scorn or derision to any word that has a supernatural tinge, making it almost impossible for them to actually read old knowledge, instead they skim it, usually laughing at it or internally thinking how little these people knew and how much we know today. There's a good reason this has been pushed so hard and effectively on people, that even on Jow Forums you'll have a hard time getting people to disconnect from this habit.

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>people only ever had sex when happily married for the purposes of creating children

99% of people have never wanted to have sex *just* to have children, but in the past their birth control options were limited as compared to today's much more effective means of contraception. Leaders also had a big incentive to promote fertility cults and such, as greater numbers always help when fighting enemy tribes/cultures. Why do you think Catholicism and Islam, the two religions with the most rabidly pro-nativity doctrines have the greatest number of followers to this day.

TY, user for actually trying to answer my question. That kinda makes sense. You have any info on the 'more to it' part you were saying?

>gun
it's a tool, point it at your head and pull the trigger

>The reason people use these names in place of more scientific names is because they are trying to hammer through your thick skull that this stuff has been known for millennia, written in every holy book, and passed down as knowledge from before Babylon. They didn't know about the inner workings of the cell like we do, but they knew cause and effect. You call it addiction, they called it demon, in the end it's the same thing

beautifully said, user

This is just using larpy language to describe the process of overcoming an addiction in terms of demons and thoughtforms and spooooky ghosts. You could accomplish the same increase in power by fasting, or giving up sugar, or giving up anything that you do habitually. These "demons" are really just the lower parts of your own brain that are really good at getting you to do what helped your ancestors breed (eat, sleep, and fuck)

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>you fucking retarded faggot
What is 'larpy language' to you is, to someone else, a very useful meme that has stood the test of time and proved a useful at preserving and passing along useful (or as some would say: 'sacred') knowledge in the absence of the printing press.

But I guess you wouldn't have needed all this 'larpy langiuage' if you had been born in 2000BC... You would have come out of the womb speaking like motherfucking House MD.

I’d post redpills but I don’t have any on me, plus I dont feel like writing about something I’m not all that knowledgeable about, so I’ll link you somewhere instead. The guy that wrote this is one of the best gnostics in recent history imo. Although this website in general does include some normie tier stuff, there is some really esoteric things on it, especially the stuff this guy wrote and said.
gnosticteachings.org/lectures-by-samael-aun-weor/146-the-transmutation-of-sexual-energy-4.html

>a very useful meme
>useful (or as some would say: 'sacred') knowledge
Fuck man, just go join a monastery or a cult you absolute faggot. If you consider the internal mental battle that arises from forcing yourself to nofap "sacred knowledge" then you need to neck yourself immediately. By all means keep focusing on nofap and giving attention to these complex internal battles that mean nothing in the real world, I'll keep lifting and studying.

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you do you, big boy. I'm not trying to save you

freemasonry is nothing but old men selling trinkets, it will die out within 30 years fucking move on already

Porn addiction is bad. But it shows your lack of faith in refusing to accept science and reality which God has given us, heretic.

So then what's your problem? People still fuck like bunnies. The physiological reaction is what's being debated here.

Freemasonry is the modern version of a mystery school. We have knowledge older than even the Jews. Yes you should avoid spilling your seed.

t. Mason.

My problem, and my OG reason for the thread, was to try to read up on old 'esoteric masonic' texts that may shed some light as to old methods of dealing with sexual energy.

>The physiological reaction is what's being debated here.
Other anons itt have already pointed to studies that suggest there may be different hormonal / physiological reactions to intimate sex with an actual human being as opposed to with your hand. Not to mention bringing porn into the debate.

You seem to think there can ABSOLUTELY NOT be any difference between both acts, after all the end result is the same, watery shit coming out your peepee. But it seems that to assert this is a lie, because: *you don't know this for a fact.* You DON'T KNOW every hormonal change that occurs in the body during intercourse and you DON'T KNOW every hormonal response that occurs during masturbation. So it's impossible for you to compare them. You might know some shit you half-read on a textbook or interet website that you you thought sounded reasonable and , well reasonable people seem to think it was true. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. You might try to sound smart by using the rudimentary 'logic' afforded to you by your limited cranium, education and porn internet search history. But the truth is you DON'T KNOW SHIT. YOU ARE A PARROT SQUAKING THE OPINIONS AND CONCLUSIONS OF PEOPLE WHO YOU THINK ARE SMART OR WHO YOU THINK WILL MAKE YOU LOOK SMART.

Larp, youre all a bunch of queers
The bible tells us to not spill our seed, so I dont need some fez cap wearing faggot to tell me that

Have you ever heard of something called a "Daily Recollection" ritual?

Case in point about using that language to make the low IQ people reveal themselves.

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