Why do people hate communism, socialism, Marxism, anarchism, etc

I spend my money on what I want to. That is better than not being allowed to engage in my hobbies because a communist overlord controls everything the population is allowed to do.

Read history. Anyone advocating that after over 100 years of small and massive scale experiments and only failure to show for it is either stupid or evil.

Interesting.
What's Jow Forums's thoughts on anarcho-communism?

Retarded concept. Might work for little tribes of hunter gatherers, but not modern humanity. The only way for communism to 'work' is a powerful authoritarian government.

>Hey we're trying to bring this old movie to todays audience, what should we change to get the biggest audience possible?

Because it is authoritarian, oppressive, and violent.

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the more important question is , why are (((they))) against the German National Socialist Workers Party??!!!

Because communism et al are inherently anti-liberty.

what do you know about communism, it's history, and it's goals?
I can't speak for everyone but the reason i oppose it is because by design it creates a society of mediocrity.
america was great because it was built by people constantly competing with each other.
Communism destroys any incentives to compete and succeed and instead forces society to lower itself to the weakest and laziest members of society.
this alone is enough to reject communism but as it turns out the lowest common denominator is incapable of supporting society.
as a result every single society which has ever attempted communism has failed.
now you can make the argument that it was "not real communism".
this is entirely true, the reason for this is because "true communism" is impossible.
in "true communism" there is no state, and the people share all resources voluntarily.
the problem with this is that all it takes is a single person to opt out, to collect without contributing, for the entire system to unravel.
Marx was a naive fool who never spent a day of his life in the real world with real workers dealing with real problems.
this is why nobody who is actually a member of the "working class" supports communism.

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I hated Marxism and anarchism for completely different reasons, both are somewhat complex.

Anarchism, understood in the classical, non-libertarian sense, is just extreme leftism. Leftism is basically what you think of as contemporary anti-capitalist SJWs. They are violently emotional and have no solid intellectual foundations whatsoever. They hate independence and freedom, they hate spiritual harmony, they hate successful people, they hate white males, they hate the United States.

Marxists are plain fucking dangerous. Their worldview is rational, intensely dogmatic and all-explaining, but flawed.For lack of understanding of economics, nihilism, or both, if they control a political movement, they can cause unprecedented havoc by weaponizing anarchists and leftists. Marxists are born nation-wreckers.

i like eating, being free, owning my own stuff, not having people mooch off my hard work, and ideologies that don't conflict with human nature.

communism cannot give me any of these.

how exactly can everyone compete with one another in a meaningful way if people have access to massive amounts of unpaid labour? or if the government subsidises certain people above others? 'communism' in both the USSR and China saw the countries go from feudal societies to superpowers in a matter of decades, they essentially condensed centuries of the progress that happened in the west down to tens of years, all the while being actively resisted by the worlds superpowers, the death toll was hardly anything new in those areas and compared to the death toll of the industrial revolution and the hundred years of exploitation that followed was pretty understandable

Why is it in Communist countries they build walls and kill anyone who tries to leave the communist country?

This is basically what FULL COMMUNISM is supposed to be according to Marx: No states, no classes.

The reality is that virtually all AnComs are too mentally ill and/or drug-addicted to function as productive members of society, so they buy into this fantasy thinking theres a world out there for people like them. Its 100% LARPing.

>t. briefly rolled with anarchist circles

> Germany invading Russia through Poland twice in 30 years and then never again
> War communism winning the total war while its opponent switched to a full war economy whole years after it should've already done so
> Modern Russia failing to reach the historical zenith of power and prosperity attained in the 60's and 70's
> Ejection of UN forces from half of the Korean peninsula and DPRK still existing
> The end of yearly famine in the communist great powers
> China just biding its time and stealing anything it can until it becomes a hyperpower
> Paris commune and Ukrainian free territory
> Arabs peaking with Ba'athism in the modern era
I think it earned its place in history and had enough of it to be arguable. Comparable to monarchism, which can be waved away as out-of-touch, inbred, outdated, but cannot be separated from how we got here. It just lasted a lot longer.

Jow Forums is obsessed with race because the future will be determined by the strongest tribe, not by ideology, as if time is going in reverse. It's not USSR vs USA anymore, it's Czechia vs Brazil. Socialist? Who gives a shist. The aesthetics of communism are way more relevant than what it offers.

Primarily this.

It's a fantasy that is IMPOSSIBLE. Not due to limited resources or manpower, but due to the overabundance of complete ASSHOLES. I'm sure you know that people abuse power. Now mix this with the idea of an all powerful government that controls everything and it obviously doesn't mix. The most power hungry people will obviously try to work for the government and some will get to the top. It's a guarantee.

Communism is fundamentally a collective system, while Western democracy is based upon the individual. Collective ideologies and personal freedoms cannot coexist.

somehow it became associated with jewry in the minds of the internet right spheres. Also its been coopted by faggots ever since about the 60s (LGBTBBQ, feminism and so on). Part of the latter was intentionally seeded by the CIA to cause division and infighting in growing communist movements in their backyard but thats a topic for another day.

The former, jewry, is a weird one, since capitalism is extremely jewish both in terms of over representation of jews at the top, as well as in its very design, and the funny thing about how Jow Forums tends to butcher history with retarded infographs, is in reality early communist movements were (often accurately) accused of being anti-semitic. Marx despite his jewish ancestry could not speak nor write a word of yiddish, openly disliked jews and jewish culture and he and Engels frequently enjoyed racial humour. Egalitarianism, people forget, was a popular idea post-enlightement, and it meant that all men are created equal, not that you didn't laugh at their big noses or gigantic gum to teeth ratios, or would want your daughter getting seeded by someone as black as tar.

Its weird to hear a lot of post-modernist views and beliefs ascribed to "marxism" especially by popular idiots like JP. Marx never wrote or spoke about half the shit people frequently attribute to "marxism" or "cultural marxism". Its really surreal reading this stuff everywhere on the internet.

Instead let's ask ourselves, why do we even need government these days? We have the internet. We can all vote on laws whenever we want to through the internet. First time in history referendum power is available to the population but nobody wants to implement it. Should I write a book about this and put a pic of my beard with mason hidden hand signal? And promise retards riches of course.

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When I get hungry I like to eat yummy food.

the reason people accociate jews with communism is because of the fact alot of leaders in the russian revolution were jewish, the jews lead a failed revolution in germany after the great war, and today nigh every head of american news organizations, aswell as said billionaires, are jewish, and all push left-wing ideologies, including communism.

and im sure theres plenty of other reasons others can throw on top of this. jews love capitalism when they can make it corporatism they control, and love communism when they can push it on the masses and be at the top of it. jews are good at twisting and thriving in any system they find themselves in.

>forced altruism isn't altruistic
they believe in a contradiction

Its like someone took only the bad things about capitalism and fascism and put them together

generally is full of enslavement of the people and or genocide

>anarchism
Nice try, shill.

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You can't have a race car, a gun or a homestead

All of Marx's ideas are based on contradictions with fundamentally impossible end goals.
You don't need Jews or progressive liberal faggots prancing around to hate Communism. Their own idiocy is more than enough.

this

also this

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Because they are fundamentally false visions. Politically, philosophically, economically, historically and sociologically. And because they carry in them the seeds of wanton, useless societal self-destruction in the name of a lunatic ideal of liberation.

Ideals that obscure the nature of things in its good and ill, that deny that which is right and inevitable. That go against human nature and offer nonsensical solutions to its condition.

It is like a chronic illness. One that cannot wholly be cured, but something that should be resisted and fought as much as possible for the sake of one's health.

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How can you call "Chaos" something that is my dream?

"According to R. J. Rummel's book Death by Government (1994), about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, were killed by Communist democide from 1900 to 1987.[31] In 1993, Rummel wrote: "Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range"." --- Wikipedia, Mass killings under communist regimes

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None of those things are equivalent. communism/marxism is bad because the idea of it is a great system run by a flawed operator. Every race car of similiar spec is a great race car but some people are just better at it than others. Communism is the same way, except if you fuck up in a race car only you die, if you fuck up in communism, you will probably die, but millions of people will starve to death before you.

Socialism is fine if it is a consequence of necessity. If rich fuck asses are not willing to help the needy then tax them and put the money to the needy, nuff said.

anarchism is kids that never grew out of the 'FUCK YOU DAD' phase.

Why would I like something that removes agency from me?

Take Marxism, for example. It is in many ways a bastardized version of Christianity in denial. It is wrong because it offers a false utopian vision impossible to implement, and self-destructive to pursue.

It presents a socioeconomically reductionist vision of mankind, history, and society. It is a hodge-podge of Hegel's IDEALIST PHILOSOPHY (Which has been used to justify half a dozen other visions in addition to communism), wrong-headed readings of classical economics, and Utopian Socialism that says it isn't Utopian Socialism.

Socialism, by and of itself, is a system that dumbly thinks that all the economic of social problems of man can be absolved by inducing more government/democracy into things. One rooted in overly utopian ideals, and one that is doomed by them.

Anarchism is fundamentally wrong because utopia won't come out of billions of people magically joining interconnected communes. It is communism with a couple of steps taken out, and a haven for idiots who don't understand that man naturally inclines to some kind of authority and division. A pressure valve for these idiots who don't realize it couldn't work even in a post-scarity situation.

Is it not cannibalism if theyre not eating them

I have some empathy for some left anarchists and mutualists who hate the state and want to do their own thing
Marxists and the like not a fan of

I dont hate socialism or communism, like no one hates lamarkism or ether theory, I hate people who represent them.
There is nothing wrong with the idea of classless, stateless society where everyone is equal and everyone works to improve the life of all the people.

Your agency doesn't matter if the system you participate is well run and more beneficial to you than if you went alone.

>Is it not cannibalism if theyre not eating them
that is your only defense. Please neck yourself.

You're a fool if you think humans won't classify eachother.

No more fucking takers?

How you dare to call fool a russian, wanna ur house nuked or your ip hacked?

Marxism is the opposite of liberty

Honestly fpbp.

If you were the last person alive and assuming you weren't suicidal, you'd have to work every day to feed yourself during growing season, and the rest of your time would be spent preserving that food to last you throughout winter and gathering firewood to not freeze to death. Life is a struggle. Does that mean it's better to work yourself to death for a Shekelstein Co. under capitalism or his politburo under communism? No, but you'd die if you did nothing and sat around all day like a lazy nigger waiting for the things you need to live to conjure themselves.

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Your mom is the opposite of liberty.

I'm just mad I missed the 200mil post.

No habla spanol, cerveza por favor mentenge alejandro del las puertas.

"The Russian famine of 1921-22 was one of the worst disasters of the 20th century. Triggered by natural causes but magnified by human policies and actions, most notably seven years of constant war, the famine left millions of Russians without adequate food."

“Families were killing and devouring fathers, grandfathers and children. Ghastly rumours about sausages prepared with human corpses (the technical expression was ‘ground to sausages’) though officially contradicted, were common. In the market, among rough huckstresses swearing at each other, one heard threats to make sausages of a person.” --- Aid worker, late 1921.

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Because Marxism is Satanism. Marx was a Sabbatean Frankist. His ideology spawned the greatest state sponsored mass killings in all of human history.

Also commies are giant faggots so there's that.

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It's an unworkable divorced-from-reality ideology that requires an oppressive totalitarian state. Anarcho-communism is one of the most laughable contradictory terms I've ever heard. It's something young kids who are too stupid to resist blindly accepting what their professors tell them to believe in.

You do realize that marxism is an ideology, not a collection of works by Marx alone? Darwin did not write even a half of what is darwinism now.
As for jews - you just have to look at the amount of jews in Bolsheviks.
They tend to join movements that let them abuse the shit out of their position for the benefit of tribe.
As for soviet antisemitism it is total bullshit. Jews were privileged there, had their anti-anit-semitism law, and the things turned to antizionist because Israel decided that USA connections are much more profitable.

Source?

I hate it because it's a bunch of pseudointellectual weak faggot hipsters who grew up in suburban neighborhoods, their parents paid for college and their car, and they're going to tell me they support worker's rights. No, you're not a fucking worker. No, you don't have my interests in mind. Their only goal is to seize power so they can be in control, and they want to whip up the working class into a frenzy to take over the country for them, and then of course shut their dirty fucking pleb mouths and go back to work while their betters handle everything.

Fortunetly, actual men that work don't want anything to do with this shit, so their army is made up of faggot rich kids that dropped out of college, junkies that work at warehouses attracted by the promise of free money, and LGBTQ freaks attempting to co-opt any movement they can.

Literally this.

Well at least the jews left your country.

Lurk moar newfag

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My man. Couldn't have worded it better myself.

Idiotic movements.As simple as that.

You're literally parroting some bullshit you read a month ago and saw on one garbage website. Here, I have a great conspiracy site for you:
whale.to/b/sp/for1.html

I've been here for 10 years at least, I just don't give credence to shit that sounds like a stretch to justify stupidity.

Close to 100,000,000 victims may have something to do with it

>Try withdrawing more than 10k cash from a bank without having to sign waivers
it's 1,000 here now, I got a couple grand out few months ago and the teller asked me what I was going to do with it so I said "I'm going to buy this small child off a man in the parking lot"

Anarchism is based as fuck, and IMHO it isnt inherently left or right wing on itself. Libertarianism is a type of Anarchism.

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woo the edge on it is sharp.

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Still too many of them. And in capitalist world they are totally fine with owning things from London or Miami. International clique.

Anarchism is a type of Libertarianism but I understand why you make the mistake. You can't have more structure as the descendent, only less. Like the way Libertarianism is a mix of conservatism with a dash of liberalism. Left and right a different system of organization that intersect more or less with other political systems. Anarchism is garbage, it doesn't work over time.

Fascism is the only way to eliminate other tribes but then you must also get rid of individualism, at least if you don't use propaganda.

Based and redpilled.

They see a problem, and the problem is that people are unequal. They got somewhat of a point, because many of the people who accimulate wealth are people who have been born in wealth, while a lot of people born in poverty will die in poverty even when they're intelligent or capable of more. Where commies go wrong is that they believe that to solve this issue, that they have to eliminate all hierarchies to achieve this. They truly believe in the class struggle to end in no classes at all, which is just delusional from my point of view. And as we all know, the modern leftists use the same justification and the same means to achieve the same in racial, gender and sexuality struggles.

And the funny thing is that the people who fight for this 'equality' are often those that are born in privillege, the typical self hating white people. They believe in what they believe in because of their inferiority complexes, they love to allign themselves with those that are inferior when it comes to class, race, sexuality, and gender. Them wanting to fight for equality between men and women in the workplace is them basically admitting that women are indeed inferior when it comes to their workplace, when they're fighting for equality between races they're basically admitting that some races are inferior to other races.

Leftism is a dissease, a dissease that will never end. If we were to solve all of the 'issues' in society accroding to their needs, they will still find new societal issues they can push, their need to allign themselves with the inferior will never end.

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Because the majority of people advocating for marxist or utopian ideologies aren't actually interested in the help it'll give to the less fortunate(which it doesn't). They are simply capitalist entrepreneurs looking for a new business venture. Ask any commie what their job would be/if they would consider a managerial/political or any other job that would become the socialist elite.

It'd be nice if it would work out, all utopian ideals would. But its complete bullshit that wont go anywhere and causes more problems than it fixes. Eventually just turning into a pseudo-fascist state

Most people can't into communism, so it's bit delusional. There will always be some retards who ruin it all. Communism is good for species with hive minds, like ants or bees. Not for humans I think. We are too much concerned about ourselves, so become a communist requires a lot of strong will to be against own desires. I think capitalism is even worse, but at least we do not need to pretend anything.

Also, I think we shold stop thinking mono-ideological, and take an example from countries like China. They took some best things from many systems, and created their own, most fittable. We may think they are heartless corpo bastards, but soon you will envy them peace and order in our conflicted world. At now they are immune to russian trolls and agents (due to internet censorship), safe from outflow of the domestic capital (thanks to central controlled economy), and even they created some kind of black mirror's scary-like panopticon with their social reputation system (now try to be rude, asshole - no trains for you, bitch!). I am amazed how forseeing country they are...

>Im such an oldfag
>I cant even bother to do my own research
Yeah cool story faggot. You can start by researching Sabbatean Frankism and then reading through primary sources like Marx' letters to his friends and parents after he became involved with them. If you arent a brainlet you can see what he was about and what he hinted at in his early works. Even a youtube search for Richard Wurmbrand would get you started "oldfag"

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Good post can some commie rebute the people aren unequal point?
Commies complain about heirachies while strengthening the biggest one the government.You may have noticed all commie cuntries become totalitarian dictatorships for obvious eeasons

And meanwhile they're getting spied on 24/7 by cameras all over the country.

Gulags and economic disagreements

The only way communism can be achieved is through government AI, which takes care of us and feeds us and heals us. Communism will be achieved through technology and AI. A machine which only calculates, invents, knows. Basically a GOD without human error, but then again I wouldn't call that communism, Communism isn't the correct term in that situation.

I fail to see how executing criminals is such a big blow against individualism.

Would that not be considered a dictatorship?

AI would let you do whatever the fuck you want so I don't think so.

That AI would dictate every aspect of your life to control the human soul and would invariably deduct that a portion of the earth's population would have to be eradicated to achieve its utopia. The correct term would be luciferianism.

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The AI would have exponential IQ growth. In time it would invent interplanetary travel. It would spread humanity among the stars. If anything it would need to make more humans for the survival of both it and humanity. You don't get rid of your parents, do you? Of course it would has to be given the correct set of rules or else everything will be destroyed, but with AI it's either 1 or 0 there's no in between. It's either communistic freedom utopia or destruction of humanity. That's why Elon Musk is so worried about it.

>pic related

nothing to do with the OP but either population will have to have majoritarily enlightened or there will need to be ultraviolence between the force of good and evil.

The alternative is waiting for evil to consume what is good.

I am tired of subhumans. the amount of shit people are saying since the gilette ad. people are completely retarded and we can't talk to them.

the politicians say let's discuss, let's debate, but they know nothings gonna happen. they just dont want violence.

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