>tfw marx's central criticism of capitalism was the observed tendency of profit to fall >this leads to capitalism (and society) to destroy itself
listen. on a macro scale we can agree that...
>Point 1. Profit is revenue after costs >Point 2. Over time, under capitalism, efficient and more productive companies thrive and inefficient and less productive die off
Therefore...
>companies which invest in successful new technologies which lower costs compared to their competitors will ultimately succeed >successful companies will eventually increase their profits due to these new technologies >However, eventually, all companies in a given industry will adopt these successful technologies and the cycle will continue with further technologies >the result is the ratio of technology costs compared to labour costs (employee wage) becomes bigger >there will be a cycle of increased technology costs over time >if profits fall too low, capitalism will destroy itself and society will breakdown >for profits to remain (and for capitalism to survive), wage labour costs have to fall
This has been achieved in the past by...
>enfranchising women and allowing women in the workforce (20s-50s) >large scale immigration (third world 60s onward) >globalization and offshoring production to cheaper countries (80s)
Every degenerate aspect of life that Jow Forums hates is an unavoidable result of capitalism... and Karl fucking Marx called it. These however, are just bad aid solutions, eventually the capitalist system (and technology) will destroy the world. Most of what Marx wrote wasnt actually on communism but rather, dare i say redpilled criticisms of capitalism. Even now you can see the reality of falling profits hitting society, experts now predict that the returns of the stock market will be markedly less than the returns of the last 100 years.
To me, it seems the final red pill is a complete rejection of consumerism and that we must go back to the times before the industrial revolution.
>everything marx said would happen is happening >im retarded
Juan Rivera
>tfw marx's central criticism of capitalism was the observed tendency of profit to fall >this leads to capitalism (and society) to destroy itself When? What year did he predict for that to happen? Was it early 20th century Britain? Yes it was.
Parker Ward
what do you mean
Eli Wright
you don't have to be a fucking rocket scientist to realize a system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer will result in noone having enough money to buy shit anymore
Gabriel Stewart
>the final red pill is a complete rejection of consumerism and that we must go back to the times before the industrial revolution I'm all in for you shutting down your computer forever and líving innawoods living off the land. Good luck.
"revolution starts with yourself" - also marx
Evan Turner
The only economic system that appears to collapse on its own is anything based on Marxism.
James Gonzalez
redpilled marxism
>the SJW are the bourgeois and want to replace the working class to reset progress toward a revolution
>they plan to use the disparate cultures of the imported replacement to keep them at odds with each other for as long as possible, stopping or delaying another turning of the communist cycle
>this is all about the fact automation isn't arriving fast enough to save them and they still have 50-100 years of needing human hands to get through
Except there is a minimum profit level that businesses no longer attempt to compete in a given market and move to other markets. The alternative is to regulate the markets, which stifles growth. Consider, the end result of capitalism is lower cost for goods based on technological advancement and efficiency. Consider, the end result of the alternative is a fixed cost for goods, there is no incentive to advance or become more efficient. If the drive is to grow or progress as a group, there is only one answer. Further, the death spiral that has is "inevitable" to capitalism has been predicted every time there is a new technological advancement, and yet it never comes. Marxism lacks two things: a knowledge of human nature, and a faith in human nature
Henry Gomez
>Further, the death spiral that has is "inevitable" to capitalism has been predicted every time there is a new technological advancement, and yet it never comes.
give it another 100-200 years
Gavin Evans
we don't have capitalism. we have a system of usery. this is all a product of usery created by jews.
Cooper Roberts
there you go again leaftard spouting your pseudoscience in here
ghet the hell out insufferable faggot, my post was saged
Alexander Nguyen
High IQ Ted Kacyzinski said the exact same argument and Jow Forums loves him
Austin Fisher
The "surplus labor is exploited by the greedy capitalist" meme was considered by Marx to be his lifes greatest achievement. It is a disgusting jewish freemason trick.
All employers act as a bank, giving credit to employees in the form of wages. If someone worked on an apple orchid, they would have to wait months or years to be able to sell the fruit grown by the labor for profit, to pay the workers salaries. So, the employer gives a loan to the worker by paying him every Friday instead of once a year. Like all loans, it must be taken with interest, otherwise the bank would go bankrupt. The interest is the profit the capitalist employer keeps. Why would he willingly give it away? Its his farm, hes cared for it for years, manages it efficiently, why should some drifter bum who does dumb labor like a mule for 8 hours get an owners share of the profit? The workers salary is an agreed upon condition set at the beginning of employment. They have no right to complain about it. If Bezos is a socialist lets see him redistribute the wealth! Ah I see, workers get locked in cages now, he is a communist, only a communist thinks like that, needing walls to keep people locked in their prison. No ones trying to escape capitalist countries, only commie ones. Even diehard Lee Harvey Oswalt lived in the USSR and hated real communism, he came back to the US, with a soviet wife. Only avacado toast socialists spew this retarded filth
Evan Thompson
>2019 >Unironically basing your thinking on writings of descendant of Ashkenazim spiritual nobility who is blood relative of a fucking Rothschilds. By the way lads, did any of you encountered a communist who talked against banks and usury? I'm looking for them for a very long time and still havent found a single one. They really don't give a fuck about it, despite usury being ultimate form of capitalist economic parasitism. Must be pure cohencidence that Marx descends from same tribe that mostly practices it.
Socialism according to Marx exists only to bridge the gap between the necessary evil of capitalism and the inevitable 'utopia' of communism Under communism, the means of production are owned, by definition, by the state. Under communism there exists no free market as the state sets prices. Without subtracting the input from the output, one cannot do cost accounting. It cannot be determined if production is more efficient under communism than under capitalism, or if production is more efficient than last week, or if it is even profitable at all, as "profits" are illegal.
You use your money to buy flour, yeast, rent an oven for a day, ect. Why do you do this? To bake bread. Why? Because you have determined and bet that there is a market for bread. You invest $50 and bake 50 loaves. So $1/loaf is your input cost. Your research says people will pay $2 or more for good bread every day, but they'll only pay $0.50/loaf for shitty bread. So, if you bake shitty bread you'll only be able to sell it for $25, half of the cost of production, a loss. But, if you are reasonably sure you can bake great bread, you may invest the time and money to bake 50 loaves and sell them for $100. It cost you $50 to make so your profit is $50, you have doubled your money, pretty good.
But under socialistic conditions, there can never be any cost accounting. That's why there is always bread lines and famines in communist countries, even in breadbaskets like Ukraine and Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. Communism is genocide. Socialism and democracy must be opposed as a moral imperative.
Jews are inherently anti-White in their DNA, therefore they and their beliefs cannot be redpilled.
After all, Communism is Jewish and therefore anti-White.
Adrian Diaz
>thinking Judeo Communism is pro-White
Xavier Long
why are you throwing democracy under the bus?
Cooper Cox
>why are you throwing democracy under the bus? The purpose of democracy is to prevent change.
Aaron Hall
you are basing your opinions on the current state of jewed america not the way it is meant to be.
Grayson Lopez
first off, in the end, even Karl Marx did not believe his own shit AFAIK. and a very important point here is: Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin are all Jews. Capitalism is the way of the US founding fathers, which do you trust user?
Ryan Myers
You are correct in much of your logic. Here are the problems with it
>Capitalism is a word Marx essentially created. He needed a word to describe an economic system where the citizens have private ownership. Some of the flaws you highlight as flaws of capitalism are not unique to capitalism
>eventually the capitalist system and technology will destroy the world This is true. But this is true for any system that has technological advancement as a goal, this is not inherently a flaw of capitalism, but a flaw in all human systems that are not of a primal and tribal nature
>To me, it seems the final red pill is a complete rejection of consumerism and that we must go back to the times before the industrial revolution. Marx's solution to this problem is not a good solution. Marx is a naive idiot who thinks a one world government can control and manage every aspect of a economy and the people within it. Only a naive idiot would think that this is possible.
I suppose that the best counter argument you could make would be that if we create a AI supercomputer large enough then we could theoretically manage it, but even then, the amount of variables at play will cause they system to be corrupted and destroyed. Corruption is what allowed communism to actually function. This corruption also gave rise to criminal organizations that many say took over during the breakup of the USSR.
Corruption is the natural end of communism just as materialism is the natural end of capitalism. No system is perfect. Some are much better than others.
Capitalism is much better than communism. If you do not agree with this fine. but communism will never come about in America because there are to many people, such as myself, who would rather completely destroy humanity than allow us to attempt communism governed by AI supercomputers. Not happening. Over my dead body. Your drones are useless in the Appalachian mountains, dont even try it with that angle.
John Adams
>Marx's central criticism of a strawman he created Get bent. A market economy is not necessarily capitalism, and every degenerate aspect of life that Jow Forums hates is a direct result of Jews introducing easy credit banking and selling vice in the form of cheap manufactured booze, cheap manufactured drugs and cheap manufactured porn.
the communist system is intentionally destructed and was created by rich american jews to destabilize europe and genocide aryans AND THEY DID IT TWICE the first world war was also planned in america by the same talmudic jews that came here from europe and brought their slaves and british loyalists fucked over the founding fathers teachings and instituted the same shit they had been doing in europe, the central banking system and usery.
