Socialism

its not that it must, its that it will.
even if a state had NO interests of its own, give it 10 years and it will, people have interests, the state is made of people, thats how it it.

When is the last time you have seen a "benevolent" socialist society. Socialism is a power vacuum, because being at the top gives you indirect control of all property. And I know most people aren't Hitlers, but eventually everyone wants more.

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A socialist society is different from a Marxist society. Marxism wants a dictatorship, socialism has no one idea about that.
You could have socialism with democracy.

>The state shouldn't have any interests of its own.
You're pretty delusional if you don't understand that it ALWAYS does.

Socialism is the new "opiate" of the masses in a decaying system.

Democracy is also extremely corrupt, for example, a political party could influence elections or who you could vote for. For an example, North Korea is democratic, but to call it "democratic" would be a joke

You are retarded arnt you? Or just the usual bong maybe?

State socialism means that the means of production is owned my the people.
Democratic socialism it's own by the people through cooperatives, unions and what not.

Who ever said there can be no private ownership of land for example?

What you sre talking about is communism and npt Marxist socialism you dumb fuck.

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Owned by the people and facilitated via the state is state socialism.

fuck retarded commie faggots

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There's various forms of democracy. Obviously if we are trying to spread power widely we will have a more direct form than present.

Karl Marx himself defined socialism as the abolition of private property; it's a widely used definition since then.

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>think of the depleted work incentive you have when working for a fat-faced crapitalist instead of your people

Name me the workers co-op that outperforms a traditional workplace.

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It was ment for Democratic socialism and state socialism.
You can still own property. I don't see why you couldn't do it.

Karl marx lived in the 1800 let the faggot stay in the grave and let his ideas evolve to fit modern society.

But even marxism isn't the same as communism.
And definitely not the same as other options of socialism.

You want to be treated as a resource or as a human?

I can guarantee anyone advocating State control has never owned property.

Oh of course, we're not doing the democracy that everyone does, we're doing your democracy that's lovely and shiny and never goes bad or corrupt.

>as owning private property would be illegal
You are stupid, very. But there's a lot f you. But there's hope for you, in the future there will new ideology-states, and ethno-states.
Then you can go live for a few year in a full-socialst-state and learn by experience what you seem unable to learn by explanation.
see pic related.

>The money could go back to the workers
If everything belongs to the party, then there is no reason to produce more, or even to produce. The value is not "in the money", money is just a means of exchange. If there's no production, your money is worth nothing.
Wealth is product and time well employed, money is just paper. An all encompassing government can't properly allocate product and time. It's like the entire economy was managed by the DMV.

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Don't run interference. The faggot claimed that a traditional workplace has a "depleted work incentive". I want to hear him qualify that.

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How are you measuring 'outperform'? In terms of motivation or profit?

Marx's definition is still in use. We have 'social democracy' to refer to state managed, redistributive capitalism.

Well I suppose you could lease land for as long as you see fit.
That being said, I will not give up the land I own unless government want to buy it. The it's negotiable.

>we're doing your democracy that's lovely and shiny and never goes bad or corrupt
There's nothing magical about it. What I said was it would be more direct, and hence less liable to corruption. Sarcastic response isn't an argument

how is that not self-explanatory? In capitalism, workers produce value which is then kept by the boss, who gives a small portion of the value back to the workers as pay. That is far less incentive to work well than if you get to see and democratically control the value your labor produces.

Also the fact that capitalism essentially creates useless jobs that are just busywork and have no real value to society or the worker

>implying there is housing, wages, culture, or an environment in socialism

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You know who else believed in direct democracy, the Romans, which sounds good at first, but since family supports each other, dynasties will easily rise, even if there is democracy.

Capitalism is working well in my country at least.
So almost people don't want to move to other system here.

Property ownership is the root of sedentary living. The only reason any one bitches about the need for State control is someone who never was able to actually own property. Instead of bitching, work, save then own something. THere is no such thing as free lunch.

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>THere is no such thing as free lunch.
Food stamps?

Don't you have the highest rates of suicide in modern societies?

so long as generalized commodity production is present, capitalism is present, according to Marx.

The USSR was actually moderately successful. Famines took place regularly in Russia and didn't disappear as soon as the Soviets took power. Studies have located the causes of famines in natural conditions.

Would you live the way one needs to in order to qualify? Those who take those entitlements do pay a toll. Just not a monetary one.

Well I like to think we come a bit more further than from when marx sat at his desk.

Surely some form of socialism must be the future if we are suppose to one that is.
Imagine if we only had physics from the 1800 yo work with.

If I had a choice then no.
But Im sure many in your hoods would.

unless you can refute Marx's reasoning for why he thinks generalized commodity production is unsustainable, you can't really "move on" from him.

I’ll give you two. Venezuela and Cuba.

Also England is a worthless police state shit hole and a nation of pathetic sniveling cowards.

>generalized commodity production is unsustainable
What is the Amish?

>work hard
>gather moneys
>buy small land
>buy materials
>build house to raise your children in
>nah it's better off with the state m8, lemme just grab that
And you think this is a good idea how? How is that fair in any fucking way?
>giving landlords a chance to profit for doing nothing
It's not for nothing. They get money in exchange for sharing their property with you. The fact that you have no chance of doing the same came about through the very same people who push your bullshit socialism narrative desu. And through not noticing it, you too are at fault. Both for your own personal situation and for your country's decline. This is the second textbook definition of being a cuck, right after letting Tyrone fuck your wife.

Has Venezuela abolished private property?

hm?

The Amish, and their plain brethren, have had a sustainable commodities market since they spawned in Europe.

Captalism is a jewish invention and should be exterminated from the western society

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so has the rest of the entire world. I don't see your point, unless you're misunderstanding what I mean by generalized commodity production.

You do not know what private property is, see the useful image. Socialism has no problem with someone owning their own house and living in it; the problem is with someone owning a house they don't live in purely to extract money from that ownership.

>They get money in exchange for sharing their property with you.
Which isn't doing anything, is it? They are charging me a toll based on their superior economic position. This makes it harder for me to advance and they will no doubt use the money to advance their own position further.

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Life would be better under National Socialism. See, it's much easier to to give when the person you're giving to is a part of your tribe, but international socialism can't work, too much dead weight.

Selling labour as a commodity?

>it's much easier to to give when the person you're giving to is a part of your tribe, but international socialism can't work, too much dead weight.
I agree

Give me one reason why monopolies are good.

Well in my former statement I meant personal property. Didn't even know you said that in english. Thought private was the word for it.

no. what makes capitalism a peculiar system in human history is that the vast majority of things that are produced are done so primarily for exchange, rather than use. such things are called "commodities." "generalized" just refers to the fact that this type of production, as I said, is now dominant.

>Which isn't doing anything, is it?
How did I not do something and invest my time and money to actually acquire a dwelling beyond my primary residence? Who is responsible for all upkeep/maintence/repair? The issue is much more nuances than you are willing to admit.

Capitalims is good at making thoss

How would you be better off if all your wealth was distributed to africa and india etc? epxlain yourself

Because it wouldn't work, people would starve, millions would die, etc.

Ok

As my pappy used to say The only good commie Is a dead commie

Okay, but can you give me a reason why they are good

Why should I give a shit about others if under capitalism I'm fine?

>Which isn't doing anything, is it? They are charging me a toll based on their superior economic position. This makes it harder for me to advance and they will no doubt use the money to advance their own position further.
Yes. Because IT IS their private property. This is the oldest commie tactic in the book lad, try harder. Nobody in their right mind accepts your re-definition. If I have 2 houses, and let you live in one of them for a predetermined amount of time in exchange of some moneys, that doesn't mean the second house is not rightfully mine. It was still me who worked for it and built it, you entitled faggot. It doesn't make it yours, or the state's. Don't like it? Get your own.

Because governments are only good at killing people and wasting money.

Them commies party hard!

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Soviet Union worked out real well didn't it dipshit?

Everything would be run like the post office & staffed by apathetic niggers, society would collapse pretty rapidly.

To be fair. America isn't working out so well either.

>Muh police brutality
>Muh institutionalized racism
>Muh infrastructure is collapsing
>Muh inefficient budgeting
Yeah, give me more of that pls

>How did I not do something and invest my time and money to actually acquire a dwelling beyond my primary residence?
You have to have earned money to invest in private property, but after that point you don't have to do anything. You get money just for having money.
Even if we admit that you got extra money based on your merits the private property compounds he inequality in an unfair way.

Go back to the mosque, Wahab

housing: kill all illegals
wages: kill all poor people
culture: kill everyone who isint white
environment: spend a fuck ton planting fucking trees, 1 tree does shit but a billions trees does a lot of shit

did it, yankee.

Sorry not a Muslim.

>after that point you don't have to do anything.
Did you not read? Who maintains the house? Who repairs it? Who has to have money on hand to make sure if an appliance goes tits up it is replaced in a timely fashion? Who has to make sure the grounds are kept appropriately? Your ability to suss out a system is woeful.

>America isn't
trad smithian capitalism.

>society would collapse pretty rapidly.
search:
Calhoun's Universe 25 Experiment

The state is less efficient than the market. Therefore, the AVERAGE person will be less wealthy under a state controlled economy. How's that for a reason?

Lurk more faggot. No one gives a shit what you think,

> one reason

Collapse of every regime uouve ever had
Even chinks are federalist

Later, the reasons I give will be lead

Sage this gay shit

Believing an all-powerful state would ever be purely altruistic is beyond moronic to a person who has any experience whatsoever of the real world.

With the same amount of time spent working?

Worked fine in sweden until all the low iq immigrants came.

Did not the State let them in?

Who the fuck do you think brought them over there?

They did after out politicians started attending bilderberg meetings.

You mean it wasn't the Jews?

Yea, it worked fine because you weren't told what your (((leaders))) are actually doing

hey yankee
i want your president as my prime minister. whatdya say bout that? how about bringing trump to canada, making trump a canadian so he can make my country rich instead of yours. #mcga

USSR, North Korea, Venezuela, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, pre-Frankeneconomy China.

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Well, you did have private property tho, didn't you?